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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
I'd do it. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 30 2011 08:26 HazMat wrote: I ban 2 shit champs so you can FP Rammus and then I get 2 super high tier champs for 1. I'd do it. So you're actually just arguing that Rammus isn't THAT good(as in, not so good that he will be 100% banned every game). I don't actually play dom much and when I do I don't think about it much so I won't get into that discussion, my post was made under the assumption that Rammus is just considered head and shoulders the best champ on the map, like Mundo used to be on TT. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On October 30 2011 08:54 HazMat wrote: He's good but is he worth say, Heimer Shaco? Iuno up to the team to decide imo. If either of those are better wouldn't you pick them instead of a Rammus? | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 30 2011 11:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: If either of those are better wouldn't you pick them instead of a Rammus? I didn't say they are, but being able to pick BOTH of them because the enemy team picked 1 champ, it could be good. All I'm saying is global bans should only be on champions that need bug fixes or champs that were just released, like they do it in every other tourneys. | ||
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
On October 30 2011 08:26 HazMat wrote: I ban 2 shit champs so you can FP Rammus and then I get 2 super high tier champs for 1. I'd do it. And the other captain can ban shit champs so he gets FP super super high tier rammus and 2 super high tier champs for your 2 super high tier champs. As you can see, this discussion doesn't go anywhere. You play T.T, so you should know the distinction between tier mundo and tier singed and tier 3 back then.The only important point is, are there any Mundo/Singed tier champs? Is rammus on mundo tier? | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
There's a reason why there has never been a global ban on a champ just because they're strong in any serious tournament. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 30 2011 15:12 HazMat wrote: My whole point is that you should never global ban a champ because it takes out strategy from the ban/pick phase. There's a reason why there has never been a global ban on a champ just because they're strong in any serious tournament. Wasn't Mundo permaban for the Razor 3v3 tourney when it happened like a year and a half ago? Discounting that because I'm not 100% sure, just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it shouldn't That's a horrible precedent to set. Games(sports, etc) evolve all the time. Also I'm not sure there has been a major tourney ever run on a patch with a crazy batshit insane clearly on it's own tier champion that would merit it anyway; that's what we're discussing isn't it?(Again, you're apparently arguing he's not THAT strong, a totally different discussion than 'permaban changes ban strategy' which is just patently false, a champion that would be arguable for permaban status doesn't change it at all, it is just on the not FP team to ban it). | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 30 2011 15:34 ArC_man wrote: If you global ban Rammus there will just be someone else who becomes insta-ban/FP material. Might as well just have a 5 Ashe mirror match. That's absolutely false as the pure statement you're making it out to be. If champ X is godlike and has a 100% winrate in competition, and it gets permabanned(or nerfed), the next champ doesn't just 'step up to the plate.' People then analyze the same criteria for that champ and those close to it in 'win share.' If after the hypothetical 100% win rate champ is gone, the next best champ is 51%, it clearly doesn't need to be always FP'd or FB'd because it's not that influential, and bans can now be used as spot bans for specific players, or strategy bans for champions that hinder your game plan(or the game plan you think you see the other team planning based on their bans). That would be a 'strategical' ban environment. You see that in SR play because in recent tourneys there have been no absolute must ban champs(Kog got close at IEM NY). Bans became targeted at players and known preferences in team comp(go check out the huge variance in bans of NA vs NA games and the EU vs EU games, it's like they're playing different patches). | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
1. regarding precedence: there is no need for an unofficial inhouse tournament to be limited by precedence. this isn't a court of law and riot's decisions regarding competitive play are not the best. 2. regarding the value of 'strategizing picks and bans' / integrity of the drafting process: having to always ban rammus as second pick is unnecessarily restrictive to me. i don't see any other champ in dominion warranting the same kind of banning behaviour that rammus demands | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On October 30 2011 16:48 red_ wrote: That's absolutely false as the pure statement you're making it out to be. If champ X is godlike and has a 100% winrate in competition, and it gets permabanned(or nerfed), the next champ doesn't just 'step up to the plate.' People then analyze the same criteria for that champ and those close to it in 'win share.' If after the hypothetical 100% win rate champ is gone, the next best champ is 51%, it clearly doesn't need to be always FP'd or FB'd because it's not that influential, and bans can now be used as spot bans for specific players, or strategy bans for champions that hinder your game plan(or the game plan you think you see the other team planning based on their bans). That would be a 'strategical' ban environment. You see that in SR play because in recent tourneys there have been no absolute must ban champs(Kog got close at IEM NY). Bans became targeted at players and known preferences in team comp(go check out the huge variance in bans of NA vs NA games and the EU vs EU games, it's like they're playing different patches). But there hasn't been a Dominion competition so how would you know Rammus is super-godmode-brokentier-100%-winrate? | ||
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tobi9999
United States1966 Posts
Rammus super taunt, kill everyone 1v1 by taunting them under tower Rammus super tank, every teamfight he wrecks with his 300 armor and mres Rammus super low cooldowns (50sec ult) so it's perfect for dominion where he can keep using his skills in every fight while other champs may have their ult on cd In theory it's op as hell, but IMO the strongest champs in dominion are Akali and Talon | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
Have not experienced any defensive ones yet. There will be 6 bans, let the bans do the work. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
On October 30 2011 08:54 HazMat wrote: He's good but is he worth say, Heimer Shaco? Iuno up to the team to decide imo. Given that you get the next two best heros, of which Talon is one (and who conveniently crushes heimer), I'd be super cool with that. Rammus is also one of the best extract holders in the game. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
This proves my point. | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
Only reasons to autoban a hero is 1) released in the middle of a tournament round, 2) gamebreaking/altering bugs. You have six bans for a reason. | ||
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