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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 29 2011 23:26 GMT
#61
I ban 2 shit champs so you can FP Rammus and then I get 2 super high tier champs for 1.

I'd do it.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
October 29 2011 23:40 GMT
#62
On October 30 2011 08:26 HazMat wrote:
I ban 2 shit champs so you can FP Rammus and then I get 2 super high tier champs for 1.

I'd do it.


So you're actually just arguing that Rammus isn't THAT good(as in, not so good that he will be 100% banned every game).

I don't actually play dom much and when I do I don't think about it much so I won't get into that discussion, my post was made under the assumption that Rammus is just considered head and shoulders the best champ on the map, like Mundo used to be on TT.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 29 2011 23:54 GMT
#63
He's good but is he worth say, Heimer Shaco? Iuno up to the team to decide imo.
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l10f *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3241 Posts
October 30 2011 01:11 GMT
#64
Shit, delete my entry. Sorry.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 30 2011 02:19 GMT
#65
On October 30 2011 08:54 HazMat wrote:
He's good but is he worth say, Heimer Shaco? Iuno up to the team to decide imo.


If either of those are better wouldn't you pick them instead of a Rammus?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 30 2011 02:22 GMT
#66
On October 30 2011 11:19 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 08:54 HazMat wrote:
He's good but is he worth say, Heimer Shaco? Iuno up to the team to decide imo.


If either of those are better wouldn't you pick them instead of a Rammus?

I didn't say they are, but being able to pick BOTH of them because the enemy team picked 1 champ, it could be good. All I'm saying is global bans should only be on champions that need bug fixes or champs that were just released, like they do it in every other tourneys.
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cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
October 30 2011 05:52 GMT
#67
On October 30 2011 08:26 HazMat wrote:
I ban 2 shit champs so you can FP Rammus and then I get 2 super high tier champs for 1.

I'd do it.


And the other captain can ban shit champs so he gets FP super super high tier rammus and 2 super high tier champs for your 2 super high tier champs. As you can see, this discussion doesn't go anywhere.

You play T.T, so you should know the distinction between tier mundo and tier singed and tier 3 back then.The only important point is, are there any Mundo/Singed tier champs? Is rammus on mundo tier?
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 30 2011 06:12 GMT
#68
My whole point is that you should never global ban a champ because it takes out strategy from the ban/pick phase.

There's a reason why there has never been a global ban on a champ just because they're strong in any serious tournament.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
October 30 2011 06:23 GMT
#69
I'm with Dizzle on this.
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ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
October 30 2011 06:34 GMT
#70
If you global ban Rammus there will just be someone else who becomes insta-ban/FP material. Might as well just have a 5 Ashe mirror match.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
October 30 2011 07:04 GMT
#71
Oh my god if you could actually do that it would be really fun.
Cheese is good for you!
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
October 30 2011 07:41 GMT
#72
On October 30 2011 15:12 HazMat wrote:
My whole point is that you should never global ban a champ because it takes out strategy from the ban/pick phase.

There's a reason why there has never been a global ban on a champ just because they're strong in any serious tournament.


Wasn't Mundo permaban for the Razor 3v3 tourney when it happened like a year and a half ago?

Discounting that because I'm not 100% sure, just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it shouldn't That's a horrible precedent to set. Games(sports, etc) evolve all the time. Also I'm not sure there has been a major tourney ever run on a patch with a crazy batshit insane clearly on it's own tier champion that would merit it anyway; that's what we're discussing isn't it?(Again, you're apparently arguing he's not THAT strong, a totally different discussion than 'permaban changes ban strategy' which is just patently false, a champion that would be arguable for permaban status doesn't change it at all, it is just on the not FP team to ban it).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
October 30 2011 07:48 GMT
#73
On October 30 2011 15:34 ArC_man wrote:
If you global ban Rammus there will just be someone else who becomes insta-ban/FP material. Might as well just have a 5 Ashe mirror match.


That's absolutely false as the pure statement you're making it out to be. If champ X is godlike and has a 100% winrate in competition, and it gets permabanned(or nerfed), the next champ doesn't just 'step up to the plate.' People then analyze the same criteria for that champ and those close to it in 'win share.' If after the hypothetical 100% win rate champ is gone, the next best champ is 51%, it clearly doesn't need to be always FP'd or FB'd because it's not that influential, and bans can now be used as spot bans for specific players, or strategy bans for champions that hinder your game plan(or the game plan you think you see the other team planning based on their bans).

That would be a 'strategical' ban environment. You see that in SR play because in recent tourneys there have been no absolute must ban champs(Kog got close at IEM NY). Bans became targeted at players and known preferences in team comp(go check out the huge variance in bans of NA vs NA games and the EU vs EU games, it's like they're playing different patches).
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
October 30 2011 08:20 GMT
#74
just a few points addressing various random points previously stated:

1. regarding precedence: there is no need for an unofficial inhouse tournament to be limited by precedence. this isn't a court of law and riot's decisions regarding competitive play are not the best.

2. regarding the value of 'strategizing picks and bans' / integrity of the drafting process: having to always ban rammus as second pick is unnecessarily restrictive to me. i don't see any other champ in dominion warranting the same kind of banning behaviour that rammus demands
cool beans
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
October 30 2011 17:50 GMT
#75
On October 30 2011 16:48 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2011 15:34 ArC_man wrote:
If you global ban Rammus there will just be someone else who becomes insta-ban/FP material. Might as well just have a 5 Ashe mirror match.


That's absolutely false as the pure statement you're making it out to be. If champ X is godlike and has a 100% winrate in competition, and it gets permabanned(or nerfed), the next champ doesn't just 'step up to the plate.' People then analyze the same criteria for that champ and those close to it in 'win share.' If after the hypothetical 100% win rate champ is gone, the next best champ is 51%, it clearly doesn't need to be always FP'd or FB'd because it's not that influential, and bans can now be used as spot bans for specific players, or strategy bans for champions that hinder your game plan(or the game plan you think you see the other team planning based on their bans).

That would be a 'strategical' ban environment. You see that in SR play because in recent tourneys there have been no absolute must ban champs(Kog got close at IEM NY). Bans became targeted at players and known preferences in team comp(go check out the huge variance in bans of NA vs NA games and the EU vs EU games, it's like they're playing different patches).

But there hasn't been a Dominion competition so how would you know Rammus is super-godmode-brokentier-100%-winrate?
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
October 30 2011 19:23 GMT
#76
Rammus super fast capture every undefended point

Rammus super taunt, kill everyone 1v1 by taunting them under tower

Rammus super tank, every teamfight he wrecks with his 300 armor and mres

Rammus super low cooldowns (50sec ult) so it's perfect for dominion where he can keep using his skills in every fight while other champs may have their ult on cd


In theory it's op as hell, but IMO the strongest champs in dominion are Akali and Talon
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
October 31 2011 01:09 GMT
#77
Seen plenty of bad rammus where all they would do is try to capture your two back points. Just had to roam defend and stop him from capping.

Have not experienced any defensive ones yet.

There will be 6 bans, let the bans do the work.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
October 31 2011 05:58 GMT
#78
On October 30 2011 08:54 HazMat wrote:
He's good but is he worth say, Heimer Shaco? Iuno up to the team to decide imo.

Given that you get the next two best heros, of which Talon is one (and who conveniently crushes heimer), I'd be super cool with that. Rammus is also one of the best extract holders in the game.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 31 2011 06:11 GMT
#79
That's your opinion, I'd never pick or ban Talon in dominion.

This proves my point.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
dnastyx
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2707 Posts
October 31 2011 06:32 GMT
#80
Just leave Rammus unbanned.

Only reasons to autoban a hero is 1) released in the middle of a tournament round, 2) gamebreaking/altering bugs.

You have six bans for a reason.
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