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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
I'm pretty sure 0 champs can crit on the AP part of their damage, and similarly with the CDR You'd need a champ who got like +AP to damage and like crit dmg from cdr or something, i dunno. SOMETHING MULTIPLICATIVE is the point. Skarner can consider getting nashors only because he gets crazy multiplicative scaling from the Aspd and cdr. Even on him, though, there are better buys. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On October 12 2011 04:23 Two_DoWn wrote: lol, I know HSGG is Canadian, but really? "What state is NY City in?" Doesnt everyone know NY, NY? What state is Sydney in? What province is Guangzhou in? Can you answer these without checking? | ||
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
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Gooey
United States944 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:03 TheYango wrote: Almost none of those champs are AD carries. And even for a few AD carries with spammable abilities, Triforce is superior (Corki, Ezreal), because it's so cost-effective, and the proc is so strong when you can use it every time it's up. Oh really? Let's do some math here: I'll use kogma for a test subject. Kog's W spell has a 17 second cooldown. If you knock off 29% (if you get 4% cdr from talents and have nashors), you bring the cooldown to 12 seconds. His W lasts for 10 seconds. So instead of having a 7 second downtime during a long team fight, you now only have a 2 second downtime. That means you are dealing 6% more damage per shot sooner, and given that it has ability power on it, you deal an extra percent damage per shot. You are also attacking faster with it, and you are not burning through your mana faster from the mp5, which regenerates about half the cost of the ability when you use it. This frees up mana to cast things like ulti and slow. If you pair the item with a soul shroud from a teammate, like I mentioned before, it brings the cooldown to ~10.3 seconds, which means you basically can have your W on at all times. That means you constantly add 6% damage to enemies with max HP (or I think cap versus neutrals is flat 100 damage) per attack. That means you are doing 100 extra damage a hit to baron and dragon constantly, which helps you kill objectives faster. The added attack speed from the item also makes W that much stronger. For his Q spell, it lasts for 4 seconds with an 8 second cooldown. CDR cap will bring it down to just under 5 seconds, so having that on your target lowers their armor by 25 for more attacks than before. I am just saying that people should take in all stats into consideration before drawing conclusions about items, and really think about how they can be used on different champions. | ||
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barbsq
United States5348 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:19 tyCe wrote: What state is Sydney in? What province is Guangzhou in? Can you answer these without checking? except that nyc literally has the state in it edit: + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2011 09:24 Gooey wrote: Oh really? Let's do some math here: I'll use kogma for a test subject. Kog's W spell has a 17 second cooldown. If you knock off 29% (if you get 4% cdr from talents and have nashors), you bring the cooldown to 12 seconds. His W lasts for 10 seconds. So instead of having a 7 second downtime during a long team fight, you now only have a 2 second downtime. That means you are dealing 6% more damage per shot sooner, and given that it has ability power on it, you deal an extra percent damage per shot. You are also attacking faster with it, and you are not burning through your mana faster from the mp5, which regenerates about half the cost of the ability when you use it. This frees up mana to cast things like ulti and slow. If you pair the item with a soul shroud from a teammate, like I mentioned before, it brings the cooldown to ~10.3 seconds, which means you basically can have your W on at all times. That means you constantly add 6% damage to enemies with max HP (or I think cap versus neutrals is flat 100 damage) per attack. That means you are doing 100 extra damage a hit to baron and dragon constantly, which helps you kill objectives faster. The added attack speed from the item also makes W that much stronger. For his Q spell, it lasts for 4 seconds with an 8 second cooldown. CDR cap will bring it down to just under 5 seconds, so having that on your target lowers their armor by 25 for more attacks than before. I am just saying that people should take in all stats into consideration before drawing conclusions about items, and really think about how they can be used on different champions. be very wary before you engage in a math battle with yango. anyways, even with kogmaw, i'd much rather have the multiplicative stat of crit which i'd imagine would still output more dmg than extra uptime with skills. theres a reason ie pdancer kogmaw manages to outdmg bloodrazor + whatever(wits or bloodthirster or something like that) kogmaw | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:19 tyCe wrote: What state is Sydney in? What province is Guangzhou in? Can you answer these without checking? You'd be silly to think that either of those have remotely the same significance as NYC. On October 12 2011 09:24 Gooey wrote: Oh really? Let's do some math here: I'll use kogma for a test subject. Kog's W spell has a 17 second cooldown. If you knock off 29% (if you get 4% cdr from talents and have nashors), you bring the cooldown to 12 seconds. His W lasts for 10 seconds. So instead of having a 7 second downtime during a long team fight, you now only have a 2 second downtime. That means you are dealing 6% more damage per shot sooner, and given that it has ability power on it, you deal an extra percent damage per shot. You are also attacking faster with it, and you are not burning through your mana faster from the mp5, which regenerates about half the cost of the ability when you use it. This frees up mana to cast things like ulti and slow. If you pair the item with a soul shroud from a teammate, like I mentioned before, it brings the cooldown to ~10.3 seconds, which means you basically can have your W on at all times. That means you constantly add 6% damage to enemies with max HP (or I think cap versus neutrals is flat 100 damage) per attack. That means you are doing 100 extra damage a hit to baron and dragon constantly, which helps you kill objectives faster. The added attack speed from the item also makes W that much stronger. For his Q spell, it lasts for 4 seconds with an 8 second cooldown. CDR cap will bring it down to just under 5 seconds, so having that on your target lowers their armor by 25 for more attacks than before. I am just saying that people should take in all stats into consideration before drawing conclusions about items, and really think about how they can be used on different champions. Or you have AD for the money to blew on Nashors and actually kill people with it. Kog doesn't need CDR, if he can hit people for the 10sec duration of W with enough damage on him, people will die. There won't be a need to make it permanently up because people are already dead in the timeframe that his w is up. All cdr does is make the period of time where they can kill you go up because you aren't paying for damage instead. If you need mana on Kog, Manamune an infinitely better option. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
OGRE MAGI MULTICAST YES PLEASE ID LIKE SOME MORE | ||
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:30 Ecael wrote: You'd be silly to think that either of those have remotely the same significance as NYC. What prefecture is Tokyo in? What state is Berlin in? + Show Spoiler + Tokyo Prefecture. Berlin. | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
proper positioning with maximum dps(ie -> dancer -> lw) items do steroid champs such as trist and kog need to take full advantage of the duration of the spell by using it at a correct time instead of trying to lower the cd of it, realistically u could kill pretty much anyone during the steroid duration after IE. spell based champions like corki and ez dont use their spells late game as their main dps output , but more of poking and utility and other shitzle. u wont get higher deeps on corki or ez from building cdr,u'll get higher deeps by building ad items(brut,sheen,thirster,trinity,lw etc) that help both with ur spells and autos since unlike steroid champions u cant build ie + dancer + lw combo due to ur shitty range and lack of a proper steroid. tl : dr - no1 on tl knows how to play ad carrys properly | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:34 WhiteNights wrote: What prefecture is Tokyo in? What state is Berlin in? + Show Spoiler + Tokyo Prefecture. Berlin. Tokyo isn't a prefecture but a metropolis. While English wise they both fall under "prefecture" for whatever reason, it is 都 instead of 府. In Japanese, a distinction is made for Tokyo and Kyoto specifically. As for Berlin, I have no idea. | ||
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WhiteNights
United States252 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:37 Ecael wrote: Tokyo isn't a prefecture but a metropolis. While English wise they both fall under "prefecture" for whatever reason, it is 都 instead of 府. As for Berlin, I have no idea. "Prefectural-level unit," then. Berlin is actually a city-state. The city is the state. Also, the provincial-level unit in which Beijing is located is the Beijing Municipality. Anyway the point is that just because the city has the same name as the state doesn't mean that everybody has to know the name of the state. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:40 WhiteNights wrote: "Prefectural-level unit," then. Berlin is actually a city-state. The city is the state. Also, the provincial-level unit in which Beijing is located is the Beijing Municipality. Anyway the point is that just because the city has the same name as the state doesn't mean that everybody has to know the name of the state. I said nothing of that point, I simply think it is silly to use Sydney and Guangzhou when the two have had by far less impact than NYC. There is also the issue of geographical proximity I guess, I know a decent amount of Japanese and Mainland China geography being from Taiwan, though after all my years in the States my knowledge of Canadian geography is pretty bad still. Maybe it works the same way in Canada. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
It's completely unfair to call out someone on their geographical knowledge of a foreign country especially when that guy plays LoL for a living, and especially when your own country is notorious for poor geographical knowledge (and we're not talking about specific knowledge here). | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:44 Ecael wrote: I said nothing of that point, I simply think it is silly to use Sydney and Guangzhou when the two have had by far less impact than NYC. There is also the issue of geographical proximity I guess, I know a decent amount of Japanese and Mainland China geography being from Taiwan, though after all my years in the States my knowledge of Canadian geography is pretty bad still. Maybe it works the same way in Canada. From my experience (which is limited to my roommates and all of his previous family and friends in Canada) Canadians usually know significantly more about our states than Americans know about Canadian provinces. I think this is due to the fact that the NHL is especially popular in Canada and a lot of the teams are based in the US. That being said I think it's unfair to compare most country's province/state/whatevers to American states as they're generally not as big of a deal. The US's states are more atkin to the sub-countries of the UK than most government's land subdivisions. But maybe it's just because I've only lived in the US. Anyway the tl;dr version: Obviously HSGG doesnt watch hockey because New York State is home 3 teams in the NHL, one of which plays in NYC. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:44 Ecael wrote: I said nothing of that point, I simply think it is silly to use Sydney and Guangzhou when the two have had by far less impact than NYC. There is also the issue of geographical proximity I guess, I know a decent amount of Japanese and Mainland China geography being from Taiwan, though after all my years in the States my knowledge of Canadian geography is pretty bad still. Maybe it works the same way in Canada. Impact is all relative to the person concerned. If you want to take about international impact, there are very few cities that can be compared with NYC so that criticism is a little unfair to make. Even so, it's not as though people should know about what state NYC is in because that is completely irrelevant to their needs. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On October 12 2011 09:57 tyCe wrote: Anyway since I'm not American I don't hold any significance to whichever sate New York is in, but isn't there something confusing about New York being in New Jersey and New York State or w/e? It's completely unfair to call out someone on their geographical knowledge of a foreign country especially when that guy plays LoL for a living, and especially when your own country is notorious for poor geographical knowledge (and we're not talking about specific knowledge here). I think you're misunderstanding. New York City is where IEM is being held. It is located inside of New York State. It's commonly referred to as IEM New York, which is ambiguous and could refer to the state or city. New Jersey is the next state south of New York and they're probably two of the most interconnected states. A lot of people that live in NJ travel to NYC to work because its cheaper to live in NJ. to illustrate the point: new york city is in the southern part of ny state: http://www.ezilon.com/maps/images/usa/new_york_simple.gif Now that I think about it, how many Americans know what province Vancouver is in? That's like the New York of Canada I guess.. | ||
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tyCe
Australia2542 Posts
On October 12 2011 10:00 Phrost wrote: From my experience (which is limited to my roommates and all of his previous family and friends in Canada) Canadians usually know significantly more about our states than Americans know about Canadian provinces. I think this is due to the fact that the NHL is especially popular in Canada and a lot of the teams are based in the US. That being said I think it's unfair to compare most country's province/state/whatevers to American states as they're generally not as big of a deal. The US's states are more atkin to the sub-countries of the UK than most government's land subdivisions. But maybe it's just because I've only lived in the US. Anyway the tl;dr version: Obviously HSGG doesnt watch hockey because New York State is home 3 teams in the NHL, one of which plays in NYC. Sorry but I think that view is misplaced. I can easily name Wales, Ireland, Scotland, England or w/e but I can't name all the states of the US for instance. Further, the question was of linking a city with a state in the US which is triply as difficult as naming Ireland or Wales as being part of the UK. Even if New York State has New York in the name, for some reason NYC, New York State and New Jersey just confuses me (and I got my confusion from other Australians so I suppose it's not just me) and HSGG could've been merely unsure rather than completely ignorant. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
I know that sounds newby but I really don't get it. I've been having to carry games as cho with a gunblade and I'd like to use that on the fly more. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On October 12 2011 10:01 Phrost wrote: I think you're misunderstanding. New York City is where IEM is being held. It is located inside of New York State. It's commonly referred to as IEM New York, which is ambiguous and could refer to the state or city. New Jersey is the next state south of New York and they're probably two of the most interconnected states. A lot of people that live in NJ travel to NYC to work because its cheaper to live in NJ. Now that I think about it, how many Americans know what province Vancouver is in? That's like the New York of Canada I guess.. British Columbia I think? Whatever BC is, short of work I doubt I'd know though. On October 12 2011 10:00 tyCe wrote: Impact is all relative to the person concerned. If you want to take about international impact, there are very few cities that can be compared with NYC so that criticism is a little unfair to make. Even so, it's not as though people should know about what state NYC is in because that is completely irrelevant to their needs. That the comparison would be unfair is kind of the point, I personally thought it to be one of those cases where people would know not because they know the state for whatever reason, but because it is "New York" city. Pretty much figured that people would just guess that "New York" is whatever greater area the city falls under. I guess the idea is that fame would've led lack of knowledge to the proper conclusion. Knowing any more about the actual tristate area would simply lead to confusions. | ||
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