EPTI haven't seen a single Jax do well enough to explain this hype. I even consider banning Jax just so I don't get a crappy Jax on my team.
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
I haven't seen a single Jax do well enough to explain this hype. I even consider banning Jax just so I don't get a crappy Jax on my team. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
Really strong laner though so that's a bit annoying. | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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TelAvivXJoeX
United States29 Posts
Just out of curiosity does anybody have a problem vsing Urgot in Mid as Kog'Maw? I usually don't like mid as Kog anyways but against an urgot it was absolutely unbearable. forced to stay behind my turret and he still walked all over me. Basically if my flash was on cooldown and he ulted me, it was death. Random team refused to leave lanes. Every minute of the game was spent in lane until literally just the last minute in which they pushed to win. I ended up 1/3/1 >.> | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:49 Shikyo wrote: Jax is a great laner and a hardcarry, always a scary combo. There's some problems though: Countered by SOTD, requires minions around for max performance, super vulnerable to magic and especially CC since he never gets mercs, and requires fights to last long to not be useless. He's not THAT squishy to magic damage while the his ult's active is up, but CC is still super strong against him. In fact, you can count these amongst the reasons for Jax's resurgence: - No Zhonya's Ring: Casters can't just automatically become immune to you for 2 seconds when you finally manage to get in a position where you can wail on them. - Kennen, Morg and Vlad: Related to above. Kennen and Morg suffered a lot with the Zhonya's split, and they see drastically less use. Vlad is weaker, but not as much as the other two. Kennen would stun you twice then become invulnerable, Morg would root you then hit you with her ult then become invulnerable, and Vlad would become invulnerable and then become invulnerable again. All of this doesn't happen anymore. Janna is still very strong in teamfights vs. Jax, as is Ryze and to a lesser degree Vlad. But Z-Ring fueled Kennen and Morg were murderously effective vs. the Armsmaster. As to whether he's good or not: IMO, he's not. Once people finally realize that Jax is a strong laner and you're not supposed to feed him in lane, he should settle in tier 3 or 4 (still quite nice considering how long he'd been stuck in tier 5). | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
I also think that the "SoTD counters Jax" argument is rather silly as well. SoTD is an expensive item that merely allows the holder to get guaranteed hits on Jax. SoTD far from guarantees that you (or your team) are going to own Jax and the other team after getting it. SoTD is a soft counter to Jax -- nothing more. | ||
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:18 xDaunt wrote: I tend to believe that the "Jax is squishy to nukes" argument is way overblown. With his ultimate active, he's less vulnerable than most heroes to getting nuked. Work some magic resistance items into your itemization, and you're good to go. I also think that the "SoTD counters Jax" argument is rather silly as well. SoTD is an expensive item that merely allows the holder to get guaranteed hits on Jax. SoTD far from guarantees that you (or your team) are going to own Jax and the other team after getting it. SoTD is a soft counter to Jax -- nothing more. I agree, I don't see how SotD counters him at all since he's probably going to get a dodge proc no matter what and the 35% or so dodge isn't exactly unkillable. He goes down the same way as any other melee with exhaust/stun and focus fire, as well as the fact that he does very little damage if he doesn't have a chance to wind up. Personally I think if you can get away with playing Jax you can also get away with DPS Sion and DPS Sion is better. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On May 18 2011 03:49 Shikyo wrote: Unless there's minions around, having SOTD on your ranged dps actually guarantees that Jax won't be AoE stunning, which is very significant Yeah in theory, but I notice people find it hard to resist hitting Jax while he's spinning up on the tank and getting ready to jump in. Maybe at high Elo <_< | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
my god why is triforce so good on maokai why is maokai so fun now wheeeeeeeee | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On May 18 2011 02:29 TelAvivXJoeX wrote: Just out of curiosity does anybody have a problem vsing Urgot in Mid as Kog'Maw? I've won lanes vs urgot several times as Kog Maw. There's only two tricks to it: don't get hit by E (move unpredictably if you have to, give up last hits if you have to), and harass when E is down (out of his auto attack range if possible so you do full damage). Harassing at any other time is asking for eating EQQQ to the face and being pushed out of lane. Boots helps make dodging easier but the best defense is predicting where he wants to E you (for instance dodging *towards* him is a pretty easy way to avoid E since so many urgots like to charge and E behind you thinking you'll run away scared). In general though Kog is a pretty weak laner against nearly anything other than ranged DPS (melee always swing past ooze and crush him, AP burst is always dicey to play against), and even if you get an easy lane opponent you're still the most gank-prone character in this whole dang game. Urgot is much stronger than Kog is in general. If my low elo suspicions are correct, as the players get better it's simply impossible to dodge enough Es to stay in lane vs urgot as a ranged DPS. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:41 HazMat wrote: I still think Jax is terrible and ban him so my team can't play him. My thoughts exactly. I even had Hotshot fail on Jax (2-5-1), and GBob too (even worse). Literally not a single Jax, ally or enemy, made me think "hmm maybe he's not too bad". I've had some do well in lane but become useless past 15 minutes. That's it. | ||
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Morzas
United States387 Posts
On May 18 2011 01:01 ScDeluX wrote: I really hope that Dota2 is not F2P. I will certainly switch to dota 2 but I don't want to grind all my stuff if they have a micro transaction system. It's TOO LONG. When LoL got out of the beta I "bought" the game for 25$ if I remember well. I have since played 1000-1500 games and I still miss like 15 Champions and some runes and the 7 rune pages. At first I thought that I'll be able to buy everything with mass gaming but it's near impossible. Everything is 6300. I would rather pay 60$ one time and have all the content than grind in-game points to get new heros and stuff. That business model is a thing of the past. Valve knows this all too well. They'll find a way to milk money out of DotA2. | ||
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TL Blazeraid
566 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:49 phyvo wrote: Urgot is much stronger than Kog is in general. If my low elo suspicions are correct, as the players get better it's simply impossible to dodge enough Es to stay in lane vs urgot as a ranged DPS. This. Urgot's such a bastard to lane against because even if you dodge 9/10 E's you're still probably losing lane really badly. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:41 HazMat wrote: I still think Jax is terrible and ban him so my team can't play him. I am literally the worst Jax in the entire world. Wanna play? You can be TF. | ||
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phyvo
United States5635 Posts
E.G. Shake's Twisted Fate My Shaco. Unichan's Rugfeeder | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
rugfeeder es best champion | ||
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