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On May 02 2011 01:36 BlackPaladin wrote:Uhhhhhh, it's pretty iffy there. Radjacob and Psy just sound like annoyed dudes. But Tap sounds like a pmsing girl (and acts like it sometimes!). Like if you make 1 mistake he'll rage at you then say something like "you know what i'm just getting off vent and going to pretend it is solo q" then run headfirst into a bush into the entire enemy team. Afterwards blaming the team for losing dragon while we lost it because he ran headfirst into a bush. Real lol I don't know I used to watch/play with Psy a lot on stream and sometimes Radjacob too but they're nowhere near as bad as playing with Tap. The only difference is Tap tries to make you a better player WHILE doing the mistakes he tells you not to.  So it can be hilarious, but lets call it a learning experience!
Tapi did not rage as much as implied in this misleading post. I am disappoint.
edit: does he rage on vent? I didn't get no vent info, am disapoint
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On May 02 2011 01:31 Tooplark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 01:20 Psyonic_Reaver wrote:On May 01 2011 16:04 Two_DoWn wrote:
And some dude named tapiocabell or something like that. All that guy does is rage all game long. Seriously, doesnt he know its just a game? Hey! I did that too! Psy is even ragier than Tapi, you have my word for it. RadJacob < TapiocaBall < Psyonicreaver
Wtf people dont think im a rager anymore? like 90% of the time TL party wouldnt invite me to games because i got too angry
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Hey I got a question, Imagine this: Mundo solo top, swain mid and a jungling udyr.
Swain was facing teemo in mid who pushed him really hard. Udyr was just jungling all the time and let top lose to 2 guys.
then the mundo starts raging and told us that it was mids fault for not ganking. He told us that mid is primary ganker (not udyr)
was he right or a jackass? He also said he was 1900 elo and on TL team.
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Well, Swain indeed should gank in that situation vs that lane assuming he can push it properly, but it was mostly the Udyr's fault.
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On May 02 2011 03:46 lgd-haze wrote:
Hey I got a question, Imagine this: Mundo solo top, swain mid and a jungling udyr.
Swain was facing teemo in mid who pushed him really hard. Udyr was just jungling all the time and let top lose to 2 guys.
then the mundo starts raging and told us that it was mids fault for not ganking. He told us that mid is primary ganker (not udyr)
was he right or a jackass? He also said he was 1900 elo and on TL team.
Don't see any TL player with Mundo in their recent games :X
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On May 02 2011 03:05 unichan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 01:36 BlackPaladin wrote:Uhhhhhh, it's pretty iffy there. Radjacob and Psy just sound like annoyed dudes. But Tap sounds like a pmsing girl (and acts like it sometimes!). Like if you make 1 mistake he'll rage at you then say something like "you know what i'm just getting off vent and going to pretend it is solo q" then run headfirst into a bush into the entire enemy team. Afterwards blaming the team for losing dragon while we lost it because he ran headfirst into a bush. Real lol I don't know I used to watch/play with Psy a lot on stream and sometimes Radjacob too but they're nowhere near as bad as playing with Tap. The only difference is Tap tries to make you a better player WHILE doing the mistakes he tells you not to. So it can be hilarious, but lets call it a learning experience! Tapi did not rage as much as implied in this misleading post. I am disappoint. edit: does he rage on vent? I didn't get no vent info, am disapoint
My sources have indicated that tapioca's female rage is usually over ventrilo. Tapioca's 'that time of the month' is during every LoL game.
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The primary gankers are jungle + roamer, obviously.
Some champs that take mid are good gankers, some just take mid for the safety and farm up. It's definitely not like every champ in mid should gank a lot.
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On May 02 2011 03:46 lgd-haze wrote:
Hey I got a question, Imagine this: Mundo solo top, swain mid and a jungling udyr.
Swain was facing teemo in mid who pushed him really hard. Udyr was just jungling all the time and let top lose to 2 guys.
then the mundo starts raging and told us that it was mids fault for not ganking. He told us that mid is primary ganker (not udyr)
was he right or a jackass? He also said he was 1900 elo and on TL team.
No1 on the TL team plays in Europe, except for the European TL team which I have never heard of.
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Okay, I'm going to stop caring about ranked games and just mess around and such. Let's see which rating I'm going to hit.
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On May 02 2011 05:47 Shikyo wrote:
Okay, I'm going to stop caring about ranked games and just mess around and such. Let's see which rating I'm going to hit.
People care about ranked games?
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On May 02 2011 05:08 0123456789 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2011 03:46 lgd-haze wrote:
Hey I got a question, Imagine this: Mundo solo top, swain mid and a jungling udyr.
Swain was facing teemo in mid who pushed him really hard. Udyr was just jungling all the time and let top lose to 2 guys.
then the mundo starts raging and told us that it was mids fault for not ganking. He told us that mid is primary ganker (not udyr)
was he right or a jackass? He also said he was 1900 elo and on TL team. No1 on the TL team plays in Europe, except for the European TL team which I have never heard of.
Oh it was on my US smurf
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so i forgot why i stopped playing ranked for a bit and gave it another shot
8 points for a win, -16 for a loss, went positive and won my last 3 lanes in the previous games, still lost the game. Guess that means i need 6 wins in a row to fricken break even with my old rating... and im sure my teammates will only get better from here
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first game we get a xin zhao who trashtalks the entire game and builds pure dps, absolutely 0 survivability(zerkers, PD, cleaver, youmu) and then leaves the game halfway through
second game our mid goes 0-6-0 to Malzahar and he megacarries
I conclude it doesnt matter how well you play, impossible to win ranked
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On May 02 2011 06:23 Shikyo wrote:
I conclude it doesnt matter how well you play, impossible to win ranked
more like its a coinflip on teammates, ima go play starcraft, tell me when LoL requires an IQ test for ranked
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Or you could just play a ganking jungle and force your team to victory.
My last game I was yi, and my jarvan was getting fucked top. Nid was 2 when he was 1, minions pushed all the way forward, jarvan at like 10% health. I got lucky with procs at wraiths so I got to do blue without backing. I was level 3, 40% health. Kill nid. Jarman proceeds to get the lane back, double kills nid and amumu, goes 8-2 for the game. That doesnt happen if I dont make that gank there.
Later on (1 minute) I get red, double kill bot, get tower to 200 health before we are forced to back. Go back later and kill tower, get 2 kills off the people defending the towers.
All 5 of the enemy are mid, and our top is getting pushed and going down. I do the usual "dont fight, im going top, dont fight" and clean top. Of course they start to fight. I ghost ulti in, right as the fight is about half way done. Immediately the other team focuses me (im 7-1 at this point). My team kills all of them simply because all 5 focused me.
Moral of the story: MAKE your team win, even if they try their hardest to lose. Every action that I made that game had a direct influence on my team winning.
And before you say "oh but you didnt have any bad players, of course you could carry" our mid kass died to corki at level 2, then killed again at 5 (although he killed corki at the same time). By 10 minutes he was 1-4, all deaths to corki. We win anyway cuz i made it my goal in fights to get corki low before he could do anything.
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So how do you play as a roaming evelynn when every single lane of yours pushes to opponents tower all day long?
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On May 02 2011 06:23 Shikyo wrote:
first game we get a xin zhao who trashtalks the entire game and builds pure dps, absolutely 0 survivability(zerkers, PD, cleaver, youmu) and then leaves the game halfway through
second game our mid goes 0-6-0 to Malzahar and he megacarries
I conclude it doesnt matter how well you play, impossible to win ranked
allow me to explain something to you
assume all players at 1100 elo are equally good/bad.
You are an unknown true elo.
Therefore, teams are composed of: you + 4 1100 bads vs. 5 1100 bads. We can model this as math:
V (victory, which is positive or negative) = P1(Player 1's Skill)+Ep1(Unknown coefficient of every other possible factor)+P2 + Ep2... + P5 + Ep5 (which we'll say is your skill+ factors related to you, like if your phone rings, etc.) - (P6 + Ep6... + P10 + Ep10)
Over time, all the Es will cancel out as expected value of shocks are 0 over time.
We also know that all players at 1100 elo (i.e.) everybody except you, averages out to about the same elo. Thus we expect the value of the enemy team to be about T2 and the value of your team to be T1 - P5. But since T1/4 = T2/5, we can turn this into 4/5 (T2) + P5 = T2.
In other words, if you are 1/5th as good as the entire rest of the enemy team, or if you are better than the average player on the enemy team (which as we've already shown is 1100) then you should be winning more than half the time. The fact that you apparently can't win implies that you are not only not above 1100 elo but in fact below it. I estimate around 800 elo EU by some of the things you say.
thus we can conclude that nobody should take your LoL strategy seriously unless they are around 800 elo, at which point they can do pretty much anything and win.
Furthermore we can conclude the following:
a) nobody should treat Shikyo's strategies seriously because they are bad strategies
b) anybody that thinks that those strategies are good are bad players
c) bad players are unqualified to come up with strategies
d) EU players like Shikyo's strategies.
Need I finish the logic chain?
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Oh so it's because of me being bad that every single lane of my last 7 ranked games has gone negative? ok
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Yes.
This is going to be rude buttttttttttt
If you can't reach 1500 after 100 or more games you are bad. You can blame allies all you can but you are still bad. I am sorry but it's true.
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On May 02 2011 07:44 Shikyo wrote:
Oh so it's because of me being bad that every single lane of my last 7 ranked games has gone negative? ok
It is your damn fault because if you truly were above your elo you would identify a problem and fix it instead of allowing to to cascade into your defeat. If somebody is pushing a lane, you type "let them push so i can gank or else i'm not going to gank your lane." If you guys are not claling missing, call missing for them. If somebody dies early in lane and the other person is getting fed you tell your mid/whoever to come gank them. If their team is all top you take dragon and/or mid and bot towers. The fact that you are reliant on your teammates being good for you to win implies that your teammates carry you: thus, your true elo is under your current elo, thus all the things I mentioned earlier.
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