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Stealthpenguin
Finland393 Posts
On March 12 2011 11:16 Shikyo wrote: Hey, is the Morello/Deathfire dual combo viable on any caster? instant 40% cdr and infinite mana seems really sweet. Someone mentioned it being OP on leblanc in LP, wasn't part of the discussion though just noticed between games so can't say anything more. 40% cdr and infinite mana+dfg active sounds awesome though. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 12 2011 11:16 Shikyo wrote: Hey, is the Morello/Deathfire dual combo viable on any caster? instant 40% cdr and infinite mana seems really sweet. I'm always apprehensive about itemizing too much CDR on casters, particularly mana using ones. You have to account for the fact that a lot of that CDR does nothing a large percentage of the time, since between blue buff, blue elixirs, and Soul Shroud (which seems to be an increasingly common buy on supports these days), you're going to be soft-capped somewhere way below 40% CDR. Unless there's some indication that the cost-effectiveness of CDR items takes this into account (which doesn't seem to be the case--neither Morello's nor DFG are extremely appealing with regard to cost-effectiveness, especially compared to AP items like Deathcap, even when taking the full CDR benefit into account), I don't think having more than one CDR item on a blue buff-using caster is worthwhile (and in many cases, its not even worth getting one). | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 12 2011 13:43 Brees wrote: items that give CDR on casters are bad. only worth it on tanky dps. I wouldn't generalize that to "casters", seeing as someone like Vlad who's not really suited to take blue buffs by his design can get some use out of having CDR. But yeah, I don't usually like CDR items on anyone that's going to be getting blue buffs regularly. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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Niton
United States2395 Posts
On March 12 2011 14:46 Brees wrote: blue buff is ridiculous on vlad actually since it gives the one thing your missing, CD reduction. You should always give blue buff to your AP solo anyway, the only time its used for the mana is on anivia/kassadin. Zil too kinda, but more often than not he's not the ap solo anyways. Fucker burns through mana so fast at 40% cdr. I think Zil might take precedence over some AP solos anyways because of how fucking obnoxious 40% CDR E is mid/lategame. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 12 2011 14:46 Brees wrote: blue buff is ridiculous on vlad actually since it gives the one thing your missing, CD reduction. You should always give blue buff to your AP solo anyway, the only time its used for the mana is on anivia/kassadin. Heimer, Swain, Zilean? | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On March 12 2011 14:57 Tooplark wrote: Karthus, Mundo, Ryze, Taric (if he somehow ends up with blue)? Mundo definitely gets blue buff for the mana. | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On March 12 2011 15:00 TheYango wrote: Mundo definitely gets blue buff for the mana. obviously, cause mundo is always OOM | ||
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Goshawk.
United Kingdom5338 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On March 12 2011 15:10 Goshawk. wrote: Vlad builds cdr anyway so he doesn't really need it, especially compared to mana ad casters. What? | ||
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BlackPaladin
United States9316 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On March 12 2011 15:32 BlackPaladin wrote: A lot of vlads build SV + CDR boots. CDR boots I can understand, SV I'm really not a fan of... | ||
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locodoco
Korea (South)1615 Posts
15%(cdr boots)+10%(elixir)+9%(masteries)+5.89%(flat cdr blue runes)=39.89% should really be giving blue buffs to other people.... | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Vlad gets farm easy. If he needs CDR, chug a blue elixir. wut? | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
This was before CDR boots but I still think the 40-flat magic pen + blue buff is REALLY strong on mid-game vlad. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
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