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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
September 20 2014 22:51 GMT
#21
it took me 1-2 hours to get to rank 3 not sure this is a good representation
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
September 20 2014 23:01 GMT
#22
On September 21 2014 04:06 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 21:54 MrSexington wrote:
edit: Almost by definition, if you have a 51%+ win rate, you can get to rank 5 if you play enough games. This is because of win streaks. If you take all the people who play many games a season and have all the cards, my guess is that the true 51st percentile is around rank 5. (I think.)

With 51% winrate, you'd eventually reach Legend- you can have less than 50% winrate and still hit rank 5. If you have, say, 45% winrate but you manage to get a lot of your wins in a row, the winstreak will make you win stars faster than you lose them, and you could eventually reach rank 5.


Yeah, you're right.

You just need to be lucky enough to string your wins together at the right time.
Came Norrection
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada168 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-20 23:19:24
September 20 2014 23:18 GMT
#23
On September 21 2014 04:06 Zato-1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2014 21:54 MrSexington wrote:
edit: Almost by definition, if you have a 51%+ win rate, you can get to rank 5 if you play enough games. This is because of win streaks. If you take all the people who play many games a season and have all the cards, my guess is that the true 51st percentile is around rank 5. (I think.)

With 51% winrate, you'd eventually reach Legend- you can have less than 50% winrate and still hit rank 5. If you have, say, 45% winrate but you manage to get a lot of your wins in a row, the winstreak will make you win stars faster than you lose them, and you could eventually reach rank 5.

You get get legend with a win rate as low as <0.1% is you lose 10 thousand games then win 100 games in a row to get legend.

Unless you are talking about rolling averages which you can't model with your example, the above example works for every competitive game.
"The lie is just a great story ruined by the truth."
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 00:44:31
September 21 2014 00:43 GMT
#24
On September 21 2014 08:18 Came Norrection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 04:06 Zato-1 wrote:
On September 20 2014 21:54 MrSexington wrote:
edit: Almost by definition, if you have a 51%+ win rate, you can get to rank 5 if you play enough games. This is because of win streaks. If you take all the people who play many games a season and have all the cards, my guess is that the true 51st percentile is around rank 5. (I think.)

With 51% winrate, you'd eventually reach Legend- you can have less than 50% winrate and still hit rank 5. If you have, say, 45% winrate but you manage to get a lot of your wins in a row, the winstreak will make you win stars faster than you lose them, and you could eventually reach rank 5.

You get get legend with a win rate as low as <0.1% is you lose 10 thousand games then win 100 games in a row to get legend.

Unless you are talking about rolling averages which you can't model with your example, the above example works for every competitive game.


Welcome to the conversation, but you're late.

:D
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
September 21 2014 01:39 GMT
#25
I feel all cocky now about getting legendary with a free deck, figured it was only like top 10% not top .5%
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
Cade)Flayer
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom279 Posts
September 21 2014 02:11 GMT
#26
It's better than top 0.5%. If you add up all the percentages in the graph it goes to 100.5% with everything rounded to 0.5 at most. I reckon Legendary is actually around 0.1% (between 3000-4000 thousand on all 3 servers each season out of a total 20 million+ accounts).
That boys a monster
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
September 21 2014 02:12 GMT
#27
Another big contributor to this lopsidedness is rank 20. A large number of players just farm wins at rank 20, and don't care to ladder as high as they can, so a lot more players are in the bottom ranks than if rank 20 farming wasn't possible.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
jcroisdale
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1543 Posts
September 21 2014 02:13 GMT
#28
This just proves that statistics can be presented in a way that supports anything whether it is true or false.
"I think bringing a toddler to a movie theater is a terrible idea. They are too young to understand what is happening it would be like giving your toddler acid. Bad idea." - Sinensis
renlynn
Profile Joined May 2011
United States276 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 02:38:15
September 21 2014 02:37 GMT
#29
they're just trying to help people get over ladder anxiety and feel better about themselves. not much point in trying to read into it.

maybe they shoulda did this for sc2 a few years ago.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 05:48:42
September 21 2014 05:48 GMT
#30
I think this has a lot to do with casuals playing with nonsensical decks. Copying a pro-level deck can be the difference between rank 15 and rank 4, if not even greater.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 08:55:10
September 21 2014 08:28 GMT
#31
Last time I was logged into hs it was 10 weeks ago. So If i log in today I will be rank 23 I think.

Am I at this poll as a rank 23 player?

Ok I found that I'm not in the poll becouse you must play one game.
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
September 21 2014 10:31 GMT
#32
On September 21 2014 11:12 NewSunshine wrote:
Another big contributor to this lopsidedness is rank 20. A large number of players just farm wins at rank 20, and don't care to ladder as high as they can, so a lot more players are in the bottom ranks than if rank 20 farming wasn't possible.

yeah another contributor is that a lot of people simply play a lot more arena as it's right now the only efficient way to get the cards they need/want.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
September 21 2014 11:50 GMT
#33
On September 21 2014 19:31 TAMinator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2014 11:12 NewSunshine wrote:
Another big contributor to this lopsidedness is rank 20. A large number of players just farm wins at rank 20, and don't care to ladder as high as they can, so a lot more players are in the bottom ranks than if rank 20 farming wasn't possible.

yeah another contributor is that a lot of people simply play a lot more arena as it's right now the only efficient way to get the cards they need/want.

The lack of rewards really deters a lot of people from playing ladder, I only played it to see if I could make legendary, now that I have I don't see any reason to do so outside of getting rank 20 for a new card back I'll never use. So Arena it is!
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
MarcoBrei
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil66 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 16:00:11
September 21 2014 15:59 GMT
#34
I should expect this kind of reaction. Most players in this forum are competitive and just want to be compared to players as much competitive as they (or more). So you have to deny this sort of statistic, try to find arguments to prove this "revelation" do not changes your mindset of being a bad player, or average, or not so good. I understand that, and the arguments are valid.
What happens is that skill has not a preset universal ruler. If you want to be the best of the world, it's kind simple, just beat everyone else. But if you want to be "good", it may be more complicated to match this expectation with others with similar goal. For competitive players there is no point of comparing themselves with "casual" players. But there's also no clear definition about what makes a player a "casual" one. So there's always room to we think we're just bad, even when most of other players could think we are good.
An important point here is not about changing YOUR mind about how good you are, but to understand that this game is made of a massive amount of "casual" players (some plays once per week, some play 1h per day), and the game needs those people. For those people, to climb the ladder and have the "feeling" of being bad while actually they are being better than the average is harmful for the game (for example in a case where a "casual" reaches rank 15).
In the original post I inserted a question about why Blizzard made a ranking that behaves like this. No one seems to be interested in this question, people just want to deny the statistics. I think that was a misunderstood about the purpose of the topic.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
September 21 2014 16:04 GMT
#35
95% of the 75% have
1. only very basic cards yet
2. not played enough games to get higher
3. are inactive chars just level to lvl 20 for cardback (which is same like 2)

so ... its bullshit
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
Cade)Flayer
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom279 Posts
September 21 2014 16:10 GMT
#36
It's not bullshit. The vast majority of people who play this game are pretty bad by our standards. That's the truth. The figures are accurate.
That boys a monster
Solmyr
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland261 Posts
September 21 2014 16:31 GMT
#37
I don't think they are bad. I would call them not dedicated enough to make any progress further.
Maybe this is the problem with hs and this stats.
What is the point of playing this game?
Fun factor for diffrent personalities is diffrent thing. You can't just say I play for fun. But what is fun to you?

Getting new cards? Winning ? making new decks? Bming? Crushing people from your freinds list? Or helping them get better? Working hard and progressing in any way?

If hs needs the casuals as MarcoBrei says in his post we should understand what is the fun factor for casual player.

I know that people do not like to loose in real or games. And this is almost purly pvp game.
So for evry win there is someone that loose. If you are getting only frustration from loosing you will not last long or stay in a game. Maybe people should get something more from playing matches?
I think that gold system in this game could be reworked in some way. Or new type of budget ladder where you compete only with budget decks... .
Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-21 18:15:05
September 21 2014 18:12 GMT
#38

What also worries is: when players get a lot frustrated from not getting higher ranks they may abandon the game,

I am actually glad to get rid of such people, don't see a reason to be worried.

Good for them too, if the game becomes all about grinding for the purpose of having a different number next to your name, well, time to get some rest.
Friends don't let friends massacre civilians
hzflank
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom2991 Posts
September 21 2014 19:48 GMT
#39
I am in the level 16+ category because I have not played any ranked this month. With monthly resets I am sure that there are a lot of other people in a similar situation. Some months I get a few good ranked sessions in, other months I only play some arena.
Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
September 21 2014 22:06 GMT
#40
What is this the blizzard malnourished ego campaign ^___^ most decent gamers think they're nothing short of the best. Even those who are on the bad side hehe. I'm sure everyone here on TL is secretly harboring a colossal epeen.
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