Healthcare Reform in the US - Page 54

On March 24 2010 03:39 Xenixx wrote:
No one on American soil should ever have to submit to someone else's will simply; Sadist. It is very simply not the governments job to tell you how to live your life, in any case. You don't know better than me, I don't know better than you.

The poll drives me nuts, most of TL is for the policy? ... nuts I tell 'ya.

On March 24 2010 03:51 KwarK wrote:

You don't seem to understand democracy. In a democracy you have to submit to the will of the Government as they hold the mandate of the majority. America is a democracy. Therefore people on American soil should have to submit to other people's will. If you don't like it I suggest anarchy.

On March 24 2010 03:39 Xenixx wrote:
No one on American soil should ever have to submit to someone else's will simply; Sadist. It is very simply not the governments job to tell you how to live your life, in any case. You don't know better than me, I don't know better than you.

The poll drives me nuts, most of TL is for the policy? ... nuts I tell 'ya.

On March 24 2010 03:52 TanGeng wrote:



public healthcare socialism happened over 40 years ago under Johnson's Great Society. The new bill is not a huge revolutionary change. The important features are the individual mandate, the IRS non-qualifying insurance surcharge, pre-existing condition coverage, state healthcare exchanges, and Medicare Advantage cuts.

The federal government has a success rate of 40% for these five social programs. Schools suck, water is fine, national parks are underfunded and neglected now, roads are good, and Medicare is a looming fiscal disaster. 2 out of 5 ain't bad.



Wow, Kwark is actually promoting the idea of unrestrained democracy. There is already plenty of literature why it's a terrible idea, but I guess America is already in that hell.

Supposed to be a "republic if you can keep it" but alas that isn't the case.

On March 24 2010 04:04 neVern wrote:
Centralization is the reason why almost every country in the world is currently bankrupt. We should have learned that by the end of the 1900s, it's truly pathetic.

On March 24 2010 04:08 KwarK wrote:

Every country in the world is currently bankrupt?!?

On March 24 2010 03:42 EndlessRain wrote:

Congrats on joining the rest of the civilized world America.

On March 24 2010 03:51 KwarK wrote:

You don't seem to understand democracy. In a democracy you have to submit to the will of the Government as they hold the mandate of the majority. America is a democracy. Therefore people on American soil should have to submit to other people's will. If you don't like it I suggest anarchy.

On March 24 2010 04:15 Saturnize wrote:


How is socialism civilized? It seems rather selfish for me to have the government force other people to do other things according to my personal preferences.

On March 24 2010 04:16 Xenixx wrote:


lol you can't insult me sir, you don't even realize America isn't a democracy.

As a point of fact, America is a representative democracy.

And to help you out further; http://www.williampmeyers.org/republic.html

e: furthermore, since you are not an American citizen I will enlighten you. We fought a war with you (and kicked the shit out of you. embarrassing at the time, still embarrassing to this day ) over such a crazy idea.

some founders were so terrified of any government that they had this crazy idea that everyone should run themselves in the country and there was chaos. an incident outside of boston led to a convention where a lot of the issues were resolved. the ideas of this country are that we as a whole do not have to bow to whatever someone else says simply. read the constitution, no other nation in the world merits what we have and that is why i'm offended that some jackass says 'welcome to the rest of the civilized world' when it comes to government control.

On March 24 2010 04:34 KwarK wrote:

lol
Democracy in the modern usage of the word means representative democracy. Of course it's not a direct democracy because that'd be absurd. You're just nitpicking there, it is evident to every reader that when I say democracy I mean representative democracy because that's the type of democracy we use. Your point is about as valid as saying "you're not an American citizen because America is a continent, not a country". True but utterly absurd.

Your war against England had very, very little to do with democracy and to suggest you kicked the shit out of England when England remained uncommited to the cause throughout is a rather strange exaggeration of a petty victory. Nobody in Britain is at all embarrassed by the independence of America, perhaps because you are the cultural child of Britain (and the French revolution) in almost every way, your independence represents your wish to choose to do what we're doing. I do however take offence to your idea that you know more about the history than I would, Americans are, in general, remarkably ill educated about the revolution. This is mainly out of a need for the country to have a foundation myth, to create an epic idealistic struggle through which they could justify their existence and draw the fables that would define their soul. It's a fun story and a very useful one but that doesn't make it any less artificial, something which is more apparent to the outside observer.