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koOl
Canada254 Posts
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On May 29 2009 10:39 koOl wrote: i was veg for 2 years...ppl who are making the argument that its ok to eat meat because were smarter or human so we have the right....well thats rediculous. does that mean if an alien comes along that is wayy smarter then us, it has the right to harvest humans for meat? No because we are sentient beings. If something isnt rationally aware of his surroundings then hes asking to be labeled, and if hes tasty he will probably be labeled food. edit: Yea lol | ||
Empyrean
17082 Posts
On May 29 2009 10:39 koOl wrote: i was veg for 2 years...ppl who are making the argument that its ok to eat meat because were smarter or human so we have the right....well thats rediculous. does that mean if an alien comes along that is wayy smarter then us, it has the right to harvest humans for meat? Yes, of course. If the aliens are superior in a way that is analogous to the superiority humans have over animals in our sentience, then I wouldn't be opposed to it at all. EDIT: Haha, me and D10 posted pretty much the same thing at the same time XD | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
On May 29 2009 10:46 Empyrean wrote: Yes, of course. If the aliens are superior in a way that is analogous to the superiority humans have over animals in our sentience, then I wouldn't be opposed to it at all. EDIT: Haha, me and D10 posted pretty much the same thing at the same time XD LOL at zerg-minded people | ||
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koOl
Canada254 Posts
On May 29 2009 10:46 Empyrean wrote: Yes, of course. If the aliens are superior in a way that is analogous to the superiority humans have over animals in our sentience, then I wouldn't be opposed to it at all. EDIT: Haha, me and D10 posted pretty much the same thing at the same time XD yea sure...somehow i have a hard time beleiving that thats how u would act in that situation | ||
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Empyrean
17082 Posts
On May 29 2009 10:54 koOl wrote: yea sure...somehow i have a hard time beleiving that thats how u would act in that situation If the aliens are more advanced than to such a sufficient degree rivaling our relationship with animals regarding the fact that we are sentient and they are not, then honestly, I wouldn't even care. I probably wouldn't even notice that we were being farmed for food. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Technically humans are omnivores, but since we are humans and not animals we also have a choice. Obviously the easiest way to have a well balanced diet is to be omnivore and eat a good mix. Ovo-lacto-vegetarians still have it relatively easy and once you get to real full veganism it becomes almost impossible, at least without dietary supplements. Most people eat way too much meat. Personally I very little meat, but I do enjoy it when I do (and I also like fish & seafood). I dislike pretty much all sorts of cold cuts. Since I live alone and most of the time I don't feel like preparing meat for only myself, I often go weeks without eating any meat at all. I do eat quite a lot of eggs (like 6-10/week maybe? depends) and also some dairy products (no milk though), I'd hate not to be able to eat eggs, so I'd never be a vegan :p An ovo-(lacto)-vegetarian maybe, but I don't see a reason for it. I do care a lot about my food, more than many people I know. Not in an extreme way, but I want quality. I was shaped a lot by my mom in this regard. She's french and one hell of a cook, cooks every day for dinner and twice a day when she doesn't work (weekends etc), I went with her to a farmer's market every saturday as a kid (and now that I live alone do it pretty often myself), etc. Some things I buy organic, some I don't. I think I eat less processed food than many people and like no convenience food at all, there are a lot of "trends" in the food industry at which I can only laugh (either in disgust or because of the sheer uselessness). Also walking into McDonalds (or similar "restaurants") is a very effective way for me to lose my appetite just by looking at the food (I have eaten there exactly 3 times in my life, each time only fries...). Oh yeah, I don't own a microwave and if I did I'd prolly only use it to defrost stuff from my freezer. That being said I don't necessarily always eat very healthy either, like too much chocolate at times, etc :p Back to the topic of meat..., didn't watch much of the video myself, but I know my fair share of´videos like this. I'd like to recommend Unser täglich Brot (Our Daily Bread) to everyone interested in food. It's a German documentary about food production, all different food, veggies, meat, eggs, fish, etc. Nothing extremely disturbing in it, but pretty thought-provoking. It's also has no commentary or explanations at all, so it's a very different type of documentary. Really, everyone watch this  I don't want the animals that provide the little meat I eat to suffer unnecessarily. Yes, their "main purpose" is to feed us, but that doesn't mean we have to impose all kind of shit on them. I'd gladly pay a little more for that and by the same way also get better quality meat (industrialized "meat production" my ass -.-). I also never buy eggs from battery chickens (although I know that probably all eggs in most prefabricated products like cookies etc come from battery chickes, so it's kind of inconsequent), but only free-range eggs. Whoever said that meat is already expensive I suggest looking over some figures of how expensive it used to be, especially compared to people's income, also how much of a household's budget used to be spent on food like 50 years ago compared to now. I want some Kobe beef btw | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
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Empyrean
17082 Posts
On May 29 2009 11:27 Robinsa wrote: Moraly there is no valid argument to eat meat. We don't need it, it's not cost efficent and we're hurting other living animals. Well shit, you might want to tell that to the thousands of bunnies, chipmunks and cute fuzzy animals who get viciously sliced and splayed open daily by industrial threshers harvesting wheat and other cereal crops. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On May 29 2009 11:27 Robinsa wrote: Moraly there is no valid argument to eat meat. We don't need it, it's not cost efficent and we're hurting other living animals. Actually we dont need food at all, we should early on adapt our body to a realy light diet with pills and water mostly but we dont do it. Same reason why we put salt and suggar in our food, or drink caffeine etc... we are addicted to pleasure, and we dont really care about morals when people are talking about taking the luxuries you have for granted away. | ||
KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Feeling sad for other people makes evolutionary sense, because if everyone looks out for one another we are all better off. We can project other peoples feelings on to ourselves, seeing someone sad, makes you sad. It brings us together and unites us. Projecting how animals feel onto ourselves is just that trait being incorrectly applied. You don't feel bad when you step on an ant, because it doesn't have a human-like face. Basically, not eating meat because of how animals are treated is ridiculous. If you feel bad watching the video... then don't watch it. It's as simple as that. | ||
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OmgIRok
Taiwan2699 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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JohnColtrane
Australia4813 Posts
On May 29 2009 11:27 Robinsa wrote: Moraly there is no valid argument to eat meat. We don't need it, it's not cost efficent and we're hurting other living animals. morally fried chicken tastes great | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On May 29 2009 05:20 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: You can like to do something while not supporting the harmful effects of it, you know. Liking the way meat tastes does not justify animal cruelty and ecological degradation. Hmm...what if it does? I can't think of a possible non-contingent argument that would put the animal's lifestyle over my convenience and I daresay even luxury. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On May 29 2009 11:27 Robinsa wrote: Moraly there is no valid argument to eat meat. We don't need it, it's not cost efficent and we're hurting other living animals. Morally there is no valid argument to NOT eat meat. I said this before, and I'll say it again...everyone fucking projects human characteristics onto cute furry animals and feels sorry for them. No one gives a shit about fish or cockroaches. I call hypocrisy. That's right. What now? | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
They are just as morally culpable as anyone else. If I am morally culpable for buying meat even though I never have touched a farm animal in my life (and thus can't be accused of cruelty or any such thing), then everyone is culpable for using the roads, everyone is culpable for using electricity, etc. All of which destroys environments and habitats and hurts creatures through pollution, accidents, etc. At some point we all draw the line based on convenience and living an enjoyable life, and the suffering of non-human animals isn't worth very much at all. | ||
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Lemonwalrus
United States5465 Posts
Although I do often wrestle with the vegetarianism in favor of sustainability argument in my head, and I have yet to find a sufficient response to it. I guess I am just weak and like steak too much to let it go.  | ||
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