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I was scrolling through Yahoo Answers in the Online/Gaming section, when this question caught my eye:
Why are gamers such unpleasant people?
I've been a gamer for nearly my whole life; I'm an avid fan of video games of a wide spectrum of genres. However, many of my fellow fans have been causing me to lose some faith in the medium. Quite frankly, they're douchebags. A**holes. Pr*cks. Call them whatever you like, but the fact is, many, and I mean MANY, of them are not pleasant people. You hear them on Xbox Live or PSN, you read their insulting comments on message boards, and it all further proves their disgusting behavior. Is it simply the target audience? Adolescent males? Is it the anonymity that the internet provides to its users? I can't say for sure, but I know one thing: it makes me sick.
Source: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090408135617AAOu40R
I was a little shocked when I read this. Are gamers "douchebags"? But then, I remember my first online game on a console (Halo 3), and the first act that my teammates did was team kill me over and over again. I, also, have had bad experiences where I have been repeatedly insulted for no better reason than joining a game. In forums, flaming is a common sight, and it is even acceptable in many places throughout the internet to verbally assault another person. Obviously, not all players are bad-mannered, but have gamers been characterized by these foul-mouthed people?
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I think there are a lot more gamers than in the past. It is such a large group of people now that it's impossible to characterize them. It's like stereotyping a population. Therefore, I don't think gamers are characterized in that way except by other gamers, and it depends on what genre of game you play.
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There is no porn option on that pie chart.
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because porn is 100%
anyway a lot of bm gamers take out their anger from having such a sad life on other people. Just ignore it, nothing personal.
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I wonder what it's like with Korean online games. Hmm...I should ask someone.
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They are no more of a douchebag than your average Joe, but that is the problem. Games and the internet present a perfect medium to do whatever comes to mind without any consequences because it's either all in text and internet chat or it's in a game with mates where you can't really get punished for it. Most people are dickheads deep down :3
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sonuvbob wins thread as always
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I don't get what that pie chart has to do with this thread, but like Dahlia said, there's no porn category.
Obviously, not all players are bad-mannered, but have gamers been characterized by these foul-mouthed people?
I think we have, it's pretty sad ._.
But I've only encountered the fags that you mention on Steam. >.>;;
I'll stick with StarCraft. Less BM IMO
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On April 09 2009 06:42 Dahlia... wrote:
There is no porn option on that pie chart.
That would be quite illegal :D
Also, bob's pie chart is for MALE 14 year olds. The female version is 30% youtube, 40% myspacebook, 20% camwhoring and 10% gaming (99% of which is bejeweled).
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On April 09 2009 06:48 OmgIRok wrote:I don't get what that pie chart has to do with this thread, but like Dahlia said, there's no porn category. Show nested quote + Obviously, not all players are bad-mannered, but have gamers been characterized by these foul-mouthed people? I think we have, it's pretty sad ._. But I've only encountered the fags that you mention on Steam. >.>;; I'll stick with StarCraft. Less BM IMO
*sigh*
of the 14 year olds that are on the internet, 30% of them spam annoying comments on youtube and the other 70 do the same except on games/gaming forums.
TL is mostly 17+ people and therefore is relatively mature for a gaming forum. however, halo 3 is predominantly prepubescent tards and therefore has many annoying pricks on it.
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Why are people so unpleasant?
I've been a person for nearly my whole life; I'm an avid fan of people games of a wide spectrum of genres. However, many of my fellow people have been causing me to lose some faith in humanity. Quite frankly, they're douchebags. A**holes. Pr*cks. Call them whatever you like, but the fact is, many, and I mean MANY, of them are not pleasant people. You hear them on The Bill O'Reilly Factor or in your grocery store, you read their insulting comments on bathroom stalls, and it all further proves their disgusting behavior. Is it simply human nature? Adolescent males? Is it the nurture that society provides to its users? I can't say for sure, but I know one thing: it makes me sick.
[insert other group for person]
It's not only gamers, there are "unpleasant" people in every group, except it just happens that the annoying people are more noticeable and vocal on the internet.
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On April 09 2009 06:54 pheer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 06:42 Dahlia... wrote:
There is no porn option on that pie chart. That would be quite illegal :D Also, bob's pie chart is for MALE 14 year olds. The female version is 30% youtube, 40% myspacebook, 20% camwhoring and 10% gaming (99% of which is bejeweled).
lol yeah
Could add a chart for % of Internet bm by age, but I think it's implied.
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I'd say one of the major reasons there's so many asshole gamers, is because the games simply aren't moderated in any way. You don't see the same amount of douchebags when there's people that can ban them at will. Thus places like TL is relatively free from the worst of them, while just about every MP game and communities too large to keep its users in check, like youtube, will continue to be pestered by them forever.
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Edit: SonuvBob I hate you  I'm going to turn 15 in about a month though so by then, the chart will be invalid for me!
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The way i like to see it is that the younger audience in gaming are very troubled people who are generally unhappy with their life and use gaming as a release. Well adjusted gamers play with their friends and are usually very pleasant to play with only 2 times i played something habitually was when i play cs in a server for older people where i didn't have to hear how high this guy was ever 2 seconds and when i played wow again with an older group where we tell stories and jokes during raids very little yelling involved.
Really those who are the real jerks online using their anonymity to vent their anger and frustration with their self inflicted fucked up lives are the real ones that should be looking for a healthier environment.
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On April 09 2009 06:56 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
Haha, I was hoping to find this posted.
It's just a combination of immaturity and (mostly) a lack of accountability.
Reminds me of a time I was out camping and making an early morning trip back into civilization for some more 'supplies'. Being in a hurry, I passed a car full of 18/19 year olds and sped off. They took a great deal of offence to this and decided to speed up, pass me, and provide a symphony of middle fingers. Awesome. Sure enough, when I arrived at my destination I saw the same car parked. Naturally, I ran into the same kids inside and they were pleasant - initiating random, friendly chit-chat. Go figure.
It's just the default state for people whose actions have absolutely zero consequences. Oh well.
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On April 09 2009 06:57 Mooga wrote:
Why are people so unpleasant?
I've been a person for nearly my whole life; I'm an avid fan of people games of a wide spectrum of genres. However, many of my fellow people have been causing me to lose some faith in humanity. Quite frankly, they're douchebags. A**holes. Pr*cks. Call them whatever you like, but the fact is, many, and I mean MANY, of them are not pleasant people. You hear them on The Bill O'Reilly Factor or in your grocery store, you read their insulting comments on bathroom stalls, and it all further proves their disgusting behavior. Is it simply human nature? Adolescent males? Is it the nurture that society provides to its users? I can't say for sure, but I know one thing: it makes me sick.
[insert other group for person]
It's not only gamers, there are "unpleasant" people in every group, except it just happens that the annoying people are more noticeable and vocal on the internet.
this
also the anonymity really really brings out the evil in ppl most of the time... ever heard of 4chan? i bet most of the regulars there r regular sane decent ppl not retarded fukin douche bags (see wat i said that?! i would NVR say that out loud...)
it's call an internet persona
On April 09 2009 06:43 latent wrote:
I wonder what it's like with Korean online games. Hmm...I should ask someone.
in korea since u have to use formal language to strangers u meet (since by teenage yrs it's hard to tell whether or not they r older or younger than u, so every speaks really politely in game chats though lately there have been an increase in wat koreans call "keyboard warriors" who r basically equivalent to america's internet douche bags... but yeah... cus u nvr know if u might be cursing out some1 4 times solder than u ppl just don't do that... it's cultural for the most part
On April 09 2009 07:11 Flaccid wrote:Haha, I was hoping to find this posted. It's just a combination of immaturity and (mostly) a lack of accountability. Reminds me of a time I was out camping and making an early morning trip back into civilization for some more 'supplies'. Being in a hurry, I passed a car full of 18/19 year olds and sped off. They took a great deal of offence to this and decided to speed up, pass me, and provide a symphony of middle fingers. Awesome. Sure enough, when I arrived at my destination I saw the same car parked. Naturally, I ran into the same kids inside and they were pleasant - initiating random, friendly chit-chat. Go figure. It's just the default state for people whose actions have absolutely zero consequences. Oh well.
u r too nice.. i would have f-ed those kids over haha.. actually prolly not...
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Imo their parents didn't beat manners into them hard enough to know just because they don't know who you are doesn't mean you should treat them how ever you want for your own demented pleasure
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My argument is that there are more assholes per capita in gaming because a higher percentage of social rejects become hardcore gamers than the population as a whole.
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On April 09 2009 07:12 IzzyCraft wrote:
Imo their parents didn't beat manners into them hard enough to know just because they don't know who you are doesn't mean you should treat them how ever you want for your own demented pleasure
You do understand that parents shouldn't have to "beat manners" into their children right?
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The internet is the most democratic medium available to us, and that carries all its consequences, good and bad. Politeness is one of the casualties of mass empowerment.
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dude moltke, not that i object, but what is with you
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I don't have a lot of experience with other games and their online communities, but as a general rule the average would-be-competitive sc player (D+ to C+, the range I have the most experience with) is waaaay more bm than the average go player (the only other game I play regularly online). There's exceptions to this in both games, of course, but the chances of me running into someone like HovZ are much, much greater in starcraft than in go.
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On April 09 2009 06:39 SonuvBob wrote:
Just a few years ago you would replace Youtube with Xanga and get a bunch of emo kids
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Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
On April 09 2009 07:34 IzzyCraft wrote:Just a few years ago you would replace Youtube with Xanga and get a bunch of emo kids
LMAO AT THE CHART AND IZZY..
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Casual vs hardcore comes to mind.
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I think you people are being a bit bias. I have met as much of a percent of asshole 21 year olds as I have 12 year olds on online games. Hell the percent of asshole 40 year olds is about the same.
This is my theory...
12 year old comes onto online game and says, "Oh hi, how do you do x" in high voice
21 year old answers, "LOL, I bet your balls have not dropped" (or possibly says, "Oh press y to
x!")
Now either 3 things can happen
A. (most common)12 year old gets mad and starts acting retarded.
B. 12 year old gets mad and stops playing altogether
C. (least common) 12 year old is like, "fuck you, I will look it up" and becomes a respectable member of video gaming society
Branching off of conclusion A this happens:
The 12 year old fucks shit up further ruining the name of 12 year olds everywhere
the now retarded 12 year old turns 21 and forgets he once was 12 and completes the cycle
to make sure the system doesn't get overpopulated that 21 year old turns 40 and kills himself.
And then there are the few normal mannered people who play video games.
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On April 09 2009 07:42 Spyfire242 wrote:
Casual vs hardcore comes to mind.
Anyone that uses themselfs in a sentence and has the word hardcore in it is either a duchebag or he used the sentence "Hey my name is _____ and i do hardcore porn"
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Hey my name is jodogohoo and i do hardcore porn
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Like i have said before. If I knew I could get away with killing, burning, rapeing and pillaging i would. I basicly be a fucking viking if there was no law. Does that make me ass hole? I dont know really. I think its just what humans do. The internets just a world with no laws. So people figuratively kill, burn, rape, and pillage on the internet because thats what humans do.
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On April 09 2009 07:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Like i have said before. If I knew I could get away with killing, burning, rapeing and pillaging i would. I basicly be a fucking viking if there was no law. Does that make me ass hole? I dont know really. I think its just what humans do. The internets just a world with no laws. So people figuratively kill, burn, rape, and pillage on the internet because thats what humans do.
yep, and not only that but they are anonymous and also stupid/young.
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On April 09 2009 07:11 R3condite wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 06:43 latent wrote:
I wonder what it's like with Korean online games. Hmm...I should ask someone. in korea since u have to use formal language to strangers u meet (since by teenage yrs it's hard to tell whether or not they r older or younger than u, so every speaks really politely in game chats
I noticed this with the Japanese in FFXI too.
English player: "yo wanna join my party?"
Japanese player: "Sorry to bother you, but we would be honored to have you accompany our party, if that's not too much trouble."
It seemed so backwards for people to be significantly more polite and formal online than they would be irl.
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Katowice25012 Posts
I am sad and disappointed that this thread has not become an argument over what constitutes a "gamer"
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Mainstream gaming communities = immature morons
Niche gaming communities = polite and respectful
I'm not sure why it works that way. You go play something really mainstream like halo and people call eachother names, insult eachother's mothers, they bitch, they whine, they're sore losers. You go play something like starcraft of quake live and people have honor codes. They never say anything disrespectful, they always say GG before and after games - the digital equivalent of a bow or a handshake. They're polar opposites. And it has nothing to do with age. I've played with SC and QL players who were 13-14 and they were as mature as grown adults.
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On April 09 2009 08:21 heyoka wrote:
I am sad and disappointed that this thread has not become an argument over what constitutes a "gamer"
Gamer: Hardcore.
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I'd say it's mainly just b/c they are anonymous. If you meet most of these people in real life they are probably pretty normal. Also has to do w/accountability imo. Look @ TL, if there weren't bans, people would be a lot more unpleasant (though a lot of you guys aren't really pleasant anyway  ).
I do agree though that a lot of gamers are assholes.
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On April 09 2009 08:17 ShadowDrgn wrote:
I noticed this with the Japanese in FFXI too.
English player: "yo wanna join my party?"
Japanese player: "JP ONRY"
fixed
btw, at one point i found a BLM JP player talking shit about me in japanese in party chat, calling me a stupid paladin. i could read that much. he wasn't exactly a great BLM either as the rest of the party was part of my linkshell and would shit on him in LS chat.
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Canada8031 Posts
On April 09 2009 08:24 Cpt.Cocaine wrote:
Mainstream gaming communities = immature morons
Niche gaming communities = polite and respectful
I'm not sure why it works that way. You go play something really mainstream like halo and people call eachother names, insult eachother's mothers, they bitch, they whine, they're sore losers. You go play something like starcraft of quake live and people have honor codes. They never say anything disrespectful, they always say GG before and after games - the digital equivalent of a bow or a handshake. They're polar opposites. And it has nothing to do with age. I've played with SC and QL players who were 13-14 and they were as mature as grown adults.
People are BM all the time in Starcraft. You can't tell me you've never run into someone like that on bnet or iccup... Also, if you have more people playing one game, statistically, you'll also have a higher number of asshats in that group. Like everyone has said, the anonymity of the Internet makes it perfect for people to try stupid shit they wouldn't do in real life.
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On April 09 2009 08:27 Resonance wrote:I'd say it's mainly just b/c they are anonymous. If you meet most of these people in real life they are probably pretty normal. Also has to do w/accountability imo. Look @ TL, if there weren't bans, people would be a lot more unpleasant (though a lot of you guys aren't really pleasant anyway ). I do agree though that a lot of gamers are assholes.
Idra, Incontrol, Rekrul?
Bad mannered but incontrol and rekrul are really funny. I especially liked incontrol's "argument" with testie and his rant about zerg.
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It has to due simply with the anonymous aspect, if people have no fear of punishment they will do many things deemed inappropriate.
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On April 09 2009 08:32 Spazer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 08:24 Cpt.Cocaine wrote:
Mainstream gaming communities = immature morons
Niche gaming communities = polite and respectful
I'm not sure why it works that way. You go play something really mainstream like halo and people call eachother names, insult eachother's mothers, they bitch, they whine, they're sore losers. You go play something like starcraft of quake live and people have honor codes. They never say anything disrespectful, they always say GG before and after games - the digital equivalent of a bow or a handshake. They're polar opposites. And it has nothing to do with age. I've played with SC and QL players who were 13-14 and they were as mature as grown adults. People are BM all the time in Starcraft. You can't tell me you've never run into someone like that on bnet or iccup... Also, if you have more people playing one game, statistically, you'll also have a higher number of asshats in that group. Like everyone has said, the anonymity of the Internet makes it perfect for people to try stupid shit they wouldn't do in real life.
I've run into them on bnet, but the thing is, they were always noobs. BGH NR10 players are pretty much the mainstream side of sc. Maybe there's more skilled players out there who are total jerks, I just can't say I've run into any of them yet.
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Said many times in this thread, but anonymity and no punishment at all for doing things like that are the reasons. Hence why I seem to mostly enjoy the communities of a) where you represent with your own name, b) are part of your subscription/pay for using them, c) are otherwise closed/invite only types, or d) small same minded people together (some small simulator scenes). From the ones that don't go into these categories (like this website) I tend to like the really strictly moderated ones where you simply get banned/warned for even such things as improper grammar. Maybe not for everyone, but does help on filtering the shit out.
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On April 09 2009 08:24 Cpt.Cocaine wrote:
Mainstream gaming communities = immature morons
Niche gaming communities = polite and respectful
I'm not sure why it works that way. You go play something really mainstream like halo and people call eachother names, insult eachother's mothers, they bitch, they whine, they're sore losers. You go play something like starcraft of quake live and people have honor codes. They never say anything disrespectful, they always say GG before and after games - the digital equivalent of a bow or a handshake. They're polar opposites. And it has nothing to do with age. I've played with SC and QL players who were 13-14 and they were as mature as grown adults.
Yes, but Starcraft and Quake are NOT niche or hardcore... they're mainstream too (still... and it even has to be that way because hardcore/niche in this context means no popularity and therefore no success and therefore no tournaments or public visibility) and do in fact suffer from the same problem: too many immature kids, sore losers, jerks, and other losers.
There are "normal" people in mainstream games as well but they get kind of buried in the flood of morons.
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On April 09 2009 19:40 0xDEADBEEF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 08:24 Cpt.Cocaine wrote:
Mainstream gaming communities = immature morons
Niche gaming communities = polite and respectful
I'm not sure why it works that way. You go play something really mainstream like halo and people call eachother names, insult eachother's mothers, they bitch, they whine, they're sore losers. You go play something like starcraft of quake live and people have honor codes. They never say anything disrespectful, they always say GG before and after games - the digital equivalent of a bow or a handshake. They're polar opposites. And it has nothing to do with age. I've played with SC and QL players who were 13-14 and they were as mature as grown adults. Yes, but Starcraft and Quake are NOT niche or hardcore... they're mainstream too (still... and it even has to be that way because hardcore/niche in this context means no popularity and therefore no success and therefore no tournaments or public visibility) and do in fact suffer from the same problem: too many immature kids, sore losers, jerks, and other losers. There are "normal" people in mainstream games as well but they get kind of buried in the flood of morons.
Only way to avoid it is if something is inherently social. Only games that tend to fit that bill are arcade games (fighters, DDR, etc.). And it's not like the people in those communities are better people, they simply act in the way that someone acts when the opponent is standing a foot away and will remain there after the game has ended.
I don't believe something being niche / hardcore is what determines the manners, I think it has infinitely more to do with the age demographics that are playing games so far.
When the generations of "gamers" grow older and its no longer dominated by early teens, you'll see and upwards turn in manners I think. Til then, gotta share our space with people who are still growing and learning how not to behave
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the more anonymity there is, the more people tend to act like assholes
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i think it has to do with gamers having lack of skill to socialize making it more attractive for them to try the game at early age
which again enhancing the social skill difference even more
a circle that keeps growing just like icecream and diet lol
btw dk if it has anything to do in this forum but
somehow idra elo is the same as boxers!!!
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On April 09 2009 19:57 Trumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 19:40 0xDEADBEEF wrote:On April 09 2009 08:24 Cpt.Cocaine wrote:
Mainstream gaming communities = immature morons
Niche gaming communities = polite and respectful
I'm not sure why it works that way. You go play something really mainstream like halo and people call eachother names, insult eachother's mothers, they bitch, they whine, they're sore losers. You go play something like starcraft of quake live and people have honor codes. They never say anything disrespectful, they always say GG before and after games - the digital equivalent of a bow or a handshake. They're polar opposites. And it has nothing to do with age. I've played with SC and QL players who were 13-14 and they were as mature as grown adults. Yes, but Starcraft and Quake are NOT niche or hardcore... they're mainstream too (still... and it even has to be that way because hardcore/niche in this context means no popularity and therefore no success and therefore no tournaments or public visibility) and do in fact suffer from the same problem: too many immature kids, sore losers, jerks, and other losers. There are "normal" people in mainstream games as well but they get kind of buried in the flood of morons. Only way to avoid it is if something is inherently social. Only games that tend to fit that bill are arcade games (fighters, DDR, etc.). And it's not like the people in those communities are better people, they simply act in the way that someone acts when the opponent is standing a foot away and will remain there after the game has ended. I don't believe something being niche / hardcore is what determines the manners, I think it has infinitely more to do with the age demographics that are playing games so far. When the generations of "gamers" grow older and its no longer dominated by early teens, you'll see and upwards turn in manners I think. Til then, gotta share our space with people who are still growing and learning how not to behave
I think so too... or rather: I'm fairly sure that's true, since I play some games which can now really be considered hardcore/niche like old RPGs, e.g. Nethack or Baldur's Gate... OK these are no multiplayer games, however if you go to forums or IRC channels about these games, or in the case of Nethack if you play on a "public server" which allows things like spectating and talking to others while they play their (single player) game, you'll find exactly ZERO stupid kids and you can have interesting discussions about the game without morons posting in the thread, and you'll also see almost zero grammatical or spelling mistakes because people actually care about what (and how) they're writing... it's amazing, really.
Problem is though that when you talk about competitive action multiplayer games, you need popularity and tournaments, so you need the game to be mainstream.
And once your game is in the "mainstream" then you'll inevitably have all those kids playing it... there is no solution. 
As an "older" player, you just have to live with it.
Another aspect is that teenagers also *much* prefer action games over turn-based ones or other games with slower gameplay. They want fast-paced action right away so they play either RTS or FPS, and define skill with mechanics as if it were a real sport.
Blizzard games or the various popular FPS games are perfect for this - constant fast-paced action without much thinking involved. That's why they are so immensely popular.
A game that doesn't stick to that formula, for example a turn-based game, won't ever be as successful because the biggest market (teenagers) prefers action.
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anonymity plays a huge part for sure, but also the whole ego thing and also a need to justify their commitment to the game, they need some sort of acknowledgment that all their time invested into this game really wasn't a waste of their time, just incase someone comes around and makes them realize they just spent 2 years on a game that really just blows, so they have to establish that this game is a well sought after game to be good at.
but mostly its anonymity.
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Sanya12364 Posts
People should just lower their expectations of their peers when playing online.
It'll keep them from being disappointed or frustrated.
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Anonymity is #1.
#2 is that gaming isn't exactly a social thing to begin with, so you're often dealing with people who lack social skills!
Combine the two, and it's real easy to understand why it happens.
Plus, being a dick online is such a release from the normal, respectful adult that most people pretend to be in real life. I was playing GTA4 freemode the other day online, and a bunch of kids were role playing some club shit, vip parking and all that jazz. I got all the guns I, head over, run over the 3 or 4 people outside, and shoot up the entire joint, and laugh at the chaos over the mic.
Sometimes it's just fun to be a dick.
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One clear answer:
Lack of Social Capacity
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iNcontroL
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On April 09 2009 08:32 ghostWriter wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 08:27 Resonance wrote:I'd say it's mainly just b/c they are anonymous. If you meet most of these people in real life they are probably pretty normal. Also has to do w/accountability imo. Look @ TL, if there weren't bans, people would be a lot more unpleasant (though a lot of you guys aren't really pleasant anyway ). I do agree though that a lot of gamers are assholes. Idra, Incontrol, Rekrul? Bad mannered but incontrol and rekrul are really funny. I especially liked incontrol's "argument" with testie and his rant about zerg.
actually rekrul and I are pretty bad examples cause we are like this in person as well.. ask anyone that knows us. IdrA is too to an extent he just shouldn't be because raw Darwinism holds that mice shouldn't be cocky around lions.
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On April 11 2009 01:03 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 08:32 ghostWriter wrote:On April 09 2009 08:27 Resonance wrote:I'd say it's mainly just b/c they are anonymous. If you meet most of these people in real life they are probably pretty normal. Also has to do w/accountability imo. Look @ TL, if there weren't bans, people would be a lot more unpleasant (though a lot of you guys aren't really pleasant anyway ). I do agree though that a lot of gamers are assholes. Idra, Incontrol, Rekrul? Bad mannered but incontrol and rekrul are really funny. I especially liked incontrol's "argument" with testie and his rant about zerg. actually rekrul and I are pretty bad examples cause we are like this in person as well.. ask anyone that knows us. IdrA is too to an extent he just shouldn't be because raw Darwinism holds that mice shouldn't be cocky around lions. and "cubbies" shouldn't be so revealing around gays. they don't reproduce well.
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We aren't social adept. Gamers end up becoming drug dealers/dropouts/womanizers because they realize...
Well, I realized one day,
I've just been sitting on my fucking ass all day playing starcraft. I've got to do something! This doesn't necessarily justify gamers as non-douchebags but, most of us are anyways because of the harshness of people because of the mask we wear being on the internet. We can be anyone, sometimes, in real life even because our mind is still racing from being trapped in thinking about a game.
My thoughts! =]
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On the net, you have no accountability. You can be an asshole and no-one is going to punch you in the face. So it gives 14 year old boys the chance to be the rebellious little shits that they want to be, without the consequences that usually would come with it.
As you get older, most people mature and lose that desire to be a dickface (note: I said most, not all). But seeing as such a large percentage of gamers are 14 year old boys, and the interenet allows them completely anonimity, the result is a very stupid environment.
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95% of them are probably perfectly agreeable guys in real life. But when you have the anonymity of the internet many people will act like a fag for no reason.
Edit:And I don't really think it's that bad a thing, the reason I still go on US East is because you get some hilarious characters on there.
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On April 11 2009 00:44 Hawk wrote:
Anonymity is #1.
#2 is that gaming isn't exactly a social thing to begin with, so you're often dealing with people who lack social skills!
Combine the two, and it's real easy to understand why it happens.
Plus, being a dick online is such a release from the normal, respectful adult that most people pretend to be in real life. I was playing GTA4 freemode the other day online, and a bunch of kids were role playing some club shit, vip parking and all that jazz. I got all the guns I, head over, run over the 3 or 4 people outside, and shoot up the entire joint, and laugh at the chaos over the mic.
Sometimes it's just fun to be a dick.
Haha, that's funny. The role playing thing is kinda lame. You're supposed to kill people in that game. Running a drive by seems like the only option there, imo.
I think basically your two options, but a bit added. The people like that want to take their lack of social skills out on everyone around them, so they do it through games. And someone else said that they want to make it feel as though what they're doing is somehow important; I agree with that, too. That certainly seems to be the way some people I know personally act when they play games online. They also find stupid shit like 4chan, and encyclopedia dramatica funny.
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On April 11 2009 01:08 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 01:03 {88}iNcontroL wrote:On April 09 2009 08:32 ghostWriter wrote:On April 09 2009 08:27 Resonance wrote:I'd say it's mainly just b/c they are anonymous. If you meet most of these people in real life they are probably pretty normal. Also has to do w/accountability imo. Look @ TL, if there weren't bans, people would be a lot more unpleasant (though a lot of you guys aren't really pleasant anyway ). I do agree though that a lot of gamers are assholes. Idra, Incontrol, Rekrul? Bad mannered but incontrol and rekrul are really funny. I especially liked incontrol's "argument" with testie and his rant about zerg. actually rekrul and I are pretty bad examples cause we are like this in person as well.. ask anyone that knows us. IdrA is too to an extent he just shouldn't be because raw Darwinism holds that mice shouldn't be cocky around lions. and "cubbies" shouldn't be so revealing around gays. they don't reproduce well.
It's amazing how with such excellent material you manage to be unfunny. Truly an accomplishment.
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hahahah
Yeah dude.. ask any question in any thread man.. that will work.
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What, that's not how it works :O?
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On April 09 2009 06:39 SonuvBob wrote:
Although that image was quite funny please don't try to generalize people by their age. Many TL'ers (including myself) are 14 and you don't see us acting like retards on messageboards/games/youtube
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On April 09 2009 07:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Like i have said before. If I knew I could get away with killing, burning, rapeing and pillaging i would. I basicly be a fucking viking if there was no law. Does that make me ass hole? I dont know really. I think its just what humans do. The internets just a world with no laws. So people figuratively kill, burn, rape, and pillage on the internet because thats what humans do.
Two things make people be jerks. One, is insecurity. The other is lack of empathy. Punishment, anonymity, accountability, all those are completely irrelevant. They act like a smoke-screen, hiding jerks behind a facade of normality, but deep down they are still jerks.
And yes, those are a minority. It's not human nature to be a dickhead.
If you only act normal because you are accountable for your actions, congratulations, you are an asshole, and you should feel ashamed of yourself.
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On April 11 2009 04:25 Pieguy314 wrote:Although that image was quite funny please don't try to generalize people by their age. Many TL'ers (including myself) are 14 and you don't see us acting like retards on messageboards/games/youtube
This graph is not about acting like retards. It's simply a display of typical 14yo activities on the net.
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Don't get upset about 14yo comments you will be older soon and making them yourself
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On April 11 2009 04:25 Pieguy314 wrote:Although that image was quite funny please don't try to generalize people by their age. Many TL'ers (including myself) are 14 and you don't see us acting like retards on messageboards/games/youtube
o.O obviously the message isn't for you then.
although if u really take offense to it .. that's an indicator of something.. i'll llet you think about it ;o
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On April 11 2009 04:34 Phrujbaz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 07:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Like i have said before. If I knew I could get away with killing, burning, rapeing and pillaging i would. I basicly be a fucking viking if there was no law. Does that make me ass hole? I dont know really. I think its just what humans do. The internets just a world with no laws. So people figuratively kill, burn, rape, and pillage on the internet because thats what humans do. Two things make people be jerks. One, is insecurity. The other is lack of empathy. Punishment, anonymity, accountability, all those are completely irrelevant. They act like a smoke-screen, hiding jerks behind a facade of normality, but deep down they are still jerks.
Do you mean they lack empathy from others or that they lack the ability to feel empathy towards others?
Because I was never a jerk like that and my childhood were a huge mess. And what do insecurity have to with it it? Imo it is a myth that jerks are just insecure wimps trying to climb on the social ladder, thinking like that makes you just as bad as them.
It is the thought "I am better/more important than ...." which makes people into jerks, even "I am better than jerks" makes you a jerk.
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The reason why we are so nice and those on XBL are such asses is one of anonymity. The thing people forget when they talk about anonymity on the internet is that it isn't about a connection between your online self and yourself in real life, it is about the connection between your online self and the online space you are currently in. On teamliquid things are pretty small scale and it is easy to get to know people, while on XBL you can safely assume that you may never play the same person twice. Because we know eachother we have identities, and once a person has an identity they have to work to protect their identity's reputation.
There is another forum that for a game engine I use where it is the same as here; everyone is nice, uses syntactical english most of the time, and no one is calling anyone else a fag. And most importantly, the pros respect the noobs and vice versa. (Or in the case of forum.unity3d.com, the hobbyists, kids, studio professionals and engine developers all respect eachother and engage in the same enthusiastic dialog). The only reason behind this is that everyone has a reputation which is all important to their membership to the community. I think it is as simple as that.
And I'd even say this applies to offline communities as well, though I can't think of any examples.
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On April 11 2009 04:25 Pieguy314 wrote:Although that image was quite funny please don't try to generalize people by their age. Many TL'ers (including myself) are 14 and you don't see us acting like retards on messageboards/games/youtube
I find it to be a very fair and accurate generalization of 14 year olds on the internet and in person
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The internet wasn't nearly as bad when I was 14...
Seriously, though. OP is true, but it's not just in console games. You get it everywhere...it's one of the main reasons why I gave up on DotA, and you even get that on b.net and sometimes iccup. It's annoying. ):
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On April 11 2009 07:16 Klockan3 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 04:34 Phrujbaz wrote:On April 09 2009 07:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Like i have said before. If I knew I could get away with killing, burning, rapeing and pillaging i would. I basicly be a fucking viking if there was no law. Does that make me ass hole? I dont know really. I think its just what humans do. The internets just a world with no laws. So people figuratively kill, burn, rape, and pillage on the internet because thats what humans do. Two things make people be jerks. One, is insecurity. The other is lack of empathy. Punishment, anonymity, accountability, all those are completely irrelevant. They act like a smoke-screen, hiding jerks behind a facade of normality, but deep down they are still jerks. Do you mean they lack empathy from others or that they lack the ability to feel empathy towards others? Because I was never a jerk like that and my childhood were a huge mess. And what do insecurity have to with it it? Imo it is a myth that jerks are just insecure wimps trying to climb on the social ladder, thinking like that makes you just as bad as them. It is the thought "I am better/more important than ...." which makes people into jerks, even "I am better than jerks" makes you a jerk.
I meant lack the ability to feel empathy towards others.
I think the thought "I am better/more important than ..." is one result of insecurity. There are other results of insecurity that can lead to someone doing unkind things.
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On April 11 2009 04:34 Phrujbaz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 07:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Like i have said before. If I knew I could get away with killing, burning, rapeing and pillaging i would. I basicly be a fucking viking if there was no law. Does that make me ass hole? I dont know really. I think its just what humans do. The internets just a world with no laws. So people figuratively kill, burn, rape, and pillage on the internet because thats what humans do. Two things make people be jerks. One, is insecurity. The other is lack of empathy. Punishment, anonymity, accountability, all those are completely irrelevant. They act like a smoke-screen, hiding jerks behind a facade of normality, but deep down they are still jerks. And yes, those are a minority. It's not human nature to be a dickhead. If you only act normal because you are accountable for your actions, congratulations, you are an asshole, and you should feel ashamed of yourself.
Well your right about the lack of empathy part. I just disagree with the idea that "its not human nature to be a dickhead" as you say. The strong living off the weak is not only human nature, it is nature. I think your underestimating just how scary a world with no law or way to inforce laws would be. You feel empathy for strangers because the safety of modern life lets you. If that safety ever vanished you just watch how quickly you'd stop caring about the feelings of others. Yourself and your family will be all that matters. Do you think vikings ever felt ashamed about sacking a city, or killing people? I guess you can call them assholes if you want, but the world they lived in is very different then what we live in. Acts like that was just a part of everyday life. Kill or be killed, thats nature.
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insecurity is the single most dominant reason why anybody any where can be an ass. if you are confident then you don't feel threatened and don't get defensive. instead you're relaxed and happy.
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On April 12 2009 11:10 InToTheWannaB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2009 04:34 Phrujbaz wrote:On April 09 2009 07:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Like i have said before. If I knew I could get away with killing, burning, rapeing and pillaging i would. I basicly be a fucking viking if there was no law. Does that make me ass hole? I dont know really. I think its just what humans do. The internets just a world with no laws. So people figuratively kill, burn, rape, and pillage on the internet because thats what humans do. Two things make people be jerks. One, is insecurity. The other is lack of empathy. Punishment, anonymity, accountability, all those are completely irrelevant. They act like a smoke-screen, hiding jerks behind a facade of normality, but deep down they are still jerks. And yes, those are a minority. It's not human nature to be a dickhead. If you only act normal because you are accountable for your actions, congratulations, you are an asshole, and you should feel ashamed of yourself. Well your right about the lack of empathy part. I just disagree with the idea that "its not human nature to be a dickhead" as you say. The strong living off the weak is not only human nature, it is nature. I think your underestimating just how scary a world with no law or way to inforce laws would be. You feel empathy for strangers because the safety of modern life lets you. If that safety ever vanished you just watch how quickly you'd stop caring about the feelings of others. Yourself and your family will be all that matters. Do you think vikings ever felt ashamed about sacking a city, or killing people? I guess you can call them assholes if you want, but the world they lived in is very different then what we live in. Acts like that was just a part of everyday life. Kill or be killed, thats nature.
what are you trying to say, because we can indoctrinate people to believe in ridiculous things like killing other people, killing other people is not so bad?
i think people only become assholes if they lived a bad life. like they were picked on, or they watched some guys drive off in a mercedes when his family was hungry, etc. if a kid was grown in a loving home and not spoiled and loved by his friends and family, there is about 0% chance he turns out to be an asshole.
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On April 11 2009 04:25 Pieguy314 wrote:Although that image was quite funny please don't try to generalize people by their age. Many TL'ers (including myself) are 14 and you don't see us acting like retards on messageboards/games/youtube
wow we have kids crying about being discriminated now haha
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Like most people already said, people are fearless and don't act 'themselves' on the internet. I recently went to the Toronto Markham LAN and there were a dozen and a half people there and everyone got along just fine. Yet I am willing to bet that if their internet persona's were to somehow all meet in one place, not all would get along.
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On April 09 2009 06:39 SonuvBob wrote:
well that thing isnt true. I remember when I was 14 I was the one stopping 26 year old weed smokers from insulting ppl. Not all 14 year old gamers are bad mannered.. but 90% of them are
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On April 12 2009 11:27 ItchReliever wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 11:10 InToTheWannaB wrote:On April 11 2009 04:34 Phrujbaz wrote:On April 09 2009 07:59 InToTheWannaB wrote:
Like i have said before. If I knew I could get away with killing, burning, rapeing and pillaging i would. I basicly be a fucking viking if there was no law. Does that make me ass hole? I dont know really. I think its just what humans do. The internets just a world with no laws. So people figuratively kill, burn, rape, and pillage on the internet because thats what humans do. Two things make people be jerks. One, is insecurity. The other is lack of empathy. Punishment, anonymity, accountability, all those are completely irrelevant. They act like a smoke-screen, hiding jerks behind a facade of normality, but deep down they are still jerks. And yes, those are a minority. It's not human nature to be a dickhead. If you only act normal because you are accountable for your actions, congratulations, you are an asshole, and you should feel ashamed of yourself. Well your right about the lack of empathy part. I just disagree with the idea that "its not human nature to be a dickhead" as you say. The strong living off the weak is not only human nature, it is nature. I think your underestimating just how scary a world with no law or way to inforce laws would be. You feel empathy for strangers because the safety of modern life lets you. If that safety ever vanished you just watch how quickly you'd stop caring about the feelings of others. Yourself and your family will be all that matters. Do you think vikings ever felt ashamed about sacking a city, or killing people? I guess you can call them assholes if you want, but the world they lived in is very different then what we live in. Acts like that was just a part of everyday life. Kill or be killed, thats nature. what are you trying to say, because we can indoctrinate people to believe in ridiculous things like killing other people, killing other people is not so bad? i think people only become assholes if they lived a bad life. like they were picked on, or they watched some guys drive off in a mercedes when his family was hungry, etc. if a kid was grown in a loving home and not spoiled and loved by his friends and family, there is about 0% chance he turns out to be an asshole. What im saying is its not human nature to feel empathy for strangers. In modern times we have been indoctrinated with the morality to feel sorry for others people. The laws of men allow this, but if that law ever vanished. Well then just like on the internet people would revert to there most basic selves. You can call them bad people, asshole, dicks, whatever. I just call it human nature.
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On April 09 2009 06:43 latent wrote:
I wonder what it's like with Korean online games. Hmm...I should ask someone.
They just speak korean instead of english?
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On April 12 2009 11:18 ItchReliever wrote:
insecurity is the single most dominant reason why anybody any where can be an ass. if you are confident then you don't feel threatened and don't get defensive. instead you're relaxed and happy.
Why do people believe in crap like this? This is still a myth created by psychologists a long time ago and is far from a fact and is not even widely accepted among psychologists today.
Studies have shown that bullies have average or above average self esteem in general and no proofs have been laid out on where these so called "insecurities" would come from.
I think the problem is that psychologists refuse to acknowledge heritage as a real factor and instead tries to define people using only their experiences, unless of course they are mentally ill but you usually can't define bullies as mentally ill in any way so they had to do it in another way.
So they then created this notion that bullies were just those who are extra insecure and thus needs to push down others to feel better about themselves. But using the same logic you could say that the greediest people are also the poorest... (Just using this example to show how bad of an argument it really is, since people usually get greedier the richer they are since the greed have accumulated said riches)
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On April 12 2009 11:52 InToTheWannaB wrote:
What im saying is its not human nature to feel empathy for strangers. In modern times we have been indoctrinated with the morality to feel sorry for others people. The laws of men allow this, but if that law ever vanished. Well then just like on the internet people would revert to there most basic selves. You can call them bad people, asshole, dicks, whatever. I just call it human nature.
Of course people turn into predators if their basic needs are not met. Food, water, shelter, safety, etc, all these are basic needs, and before these are met you cannot have humanity.
However, for a person who has all his basic needs met for himself and his family I don't think it's human nature for him to be an ass. I think most people are decent under those circumstances.
Unfortunately, not everyone. Some people are true jackasses, and can only be made to act decent under constant control and supervision (instead of meeting their needs). Trying to meet the needs of evil people to turn them into decent people is a noble but foolish quest.
According to your description of what you would do if you could get away with it, it seems you are of the 'true jackass' variety instead of the 'survival jackass' variety.
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On April 12 2009 12:50 Klockan3 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 11:18 ItchReliever wrote:
insecurity is the single most dominant reason why anybody any where can be an ass. if you are confident then you don't feel threatened and don't get defensive. instead you're relaxed and happy. Studies have shown that bullies have average or above average self esteem in general and no proofs have been laid out on where these so called "insecurities" would come from.
Lack of empathy, insecurity, and as someone mentioned before narcissism can also lead someone to being a bully. Narcissism, however, also has insecurity at its root.
Eventually, of course, all of this stops having any cause at all, and bad behaviours are just knee-jerk reactions and habits etched into the brain after a long time of behaving in that way.
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I always blamed it on the number of American gamers....
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On April 14 2009 02:20 Phrujbaz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 11:52 InToTheWannaB wrote:
What im saying is its not human nature to feel empathy for strangers. In modern times we have been indoctrinated with the morality to feel sorry for others people. The laws of men allow this, but if that law ever vanished. Well then just like on the internet people would revert to there most basic selves. You can call them bad people, asshole, dicks, whatever. I just call it human nature. Of course people turn into predators if their basic needs are not met. Food, water, shelter, safety, etc, all these are basic needs, and before these are met you cannot have humanity. However, for a person who has all his basic needs met for himself and his family I don't think it's human nature for him to be an ass. I think most people are decent under those circumstances. Unfortunately, not everyone. Some people are true jackasses, and can only be made to act decent under constant control and supervision (instead of meeting their needs). Trying to meet the needs of evil people to turn them into decent people is a noble but foolish quest. According to your description of what you would do if you could get away with it, it seems you are of the 'true jackass' variety instead of the 'survival jackass' variety.
OK lets bring the topic back to the internet for a moment. We see on the internet that people despite having all there basic needs met. Act, as you would say in a "evil" way. The same can be said for kids. Using these two examples I think it pretty clear that you opinion of human natrue is misguided. Humans clearly do at their heart have a need and desire to pick on the weak. You say these people are a minority("The true jackass"). I have to argue they are the majority.
People today act "nice" to each other because if they do not. Then they will not have a job or be in jail. These repercussion keep civilization in-line. When these repercussion are not in place(internet, 3rd world nation ect..) We see humans time and again at their worst.. People for whatever reason deep down want to act cruelly to each others. History even shows us this. Feudal lords were often very barbaric to there serfs. They did this despite having all their basic needs met and way more security then any common man. Yet they still subjugated there fellow man because they simply could.
My favorite character from Full Metal Jacket is Animal Mother because he says what he really thinks. When the platoon is stand around their dead friend and saying kind words about them. Animal Mother says "Better you then me". Thats basicly what EVERY human deep down thinks. People in reality dont give a shit about anyone but themself or their family. So relating all this back to the topic. I again, as I originally stated say its human nature to act unplesant to each other.
Now since birth we have been told that kind of self love is wrong. Now if you want to take you morality and label this human behavior as wrong or evil thats fine. Then however your geting into a debate about morality and geting rather off topic. The topic is why are gamers unplesant to each other. The answer is not really a lack of empathy, or insecurity. It just human nature to be cruel to each other rather then being nice to one another . Unless being nice will advance us somehow.
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On April 14 2009 09:28 InToTheWannaB wrote:
People today act "nice" to each other because if they do not. Then they will not have a job or be in jail. These repercussion keep civilization in-line. When these repercussion are not in place(internet, 3rd world nation ect..) We see humans time and again at their worst.. People for whatever reason deep down want to act cruelly to each others. History even shows us this. Feudal lords were often very barbaric to there serfs. They did this despite having all their basic needs met and way more security then any common man. Yet they still subjugated there fellow man because they simply could.
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Human beings live together because we all benefit from society to some degree. Think about the ancient society of stone ages, human beings hunt together, they are able to bring down bigger preys which they can not if they are soloing the prey. It is the mutual benefits of living together as a society that propel people to get along with each other. Not the repercussions. These repercussions are merely rules made by human beings to ensure the mutual benefits of a functioning society.
On April 14 2009 09:28 InToTheWannaB wrote:
It just human nature to be cruel to each other rather then being nice to one another . Unless being nice will advance us somehow.
your example of "Feudal lords being barbaric because they simply could" to support your argument that "it is just human nature to be cruel to each other rather than being nice to one another" is a Converse Fallacy of Accident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies) You can not argues from a special case of "Feudal lords" to a general rule of "it is human nature to be Cruel".
there are many examples of people being "nice" to each other that in no way benefit themselves. (Bob Doles jumping in the bunker to block the machine gun with his body, how does that benefit him? yet why is he being so nice to his comrades and protect them?)
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There are a two factors at play:
1. Humans remember slight and the conflict more than flattery and cooperation.
2. Humans are socially conscious and love the feeling of having status in society.
A large portion of achieving status in a society is outdoing the competition - putting others down, lifting one self up, etc. There is half destructive and half creative tendencies in achieving status, and people will use either to achieve as much status as possible. The problem is that if individuals are too destructive, they will destroy the society - so there are social limits on the kinds of destructive behavior any society will tolerate in its members.
Societies that require more cooperation or societies that are more tightly knit tolerate less destructive - jackass behavior. Societies based on individual achievement or societies that are only loosely connected tolerate more destructive - jackass behavior.
Most gaming communities don't value cooperation, so there is just no need for people to treat each other well. But there is a psychological element to it. The bad experiences stand out and make a deeper impression.
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On April 14 2009 02:21 Phrujbaz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 12 2009 12:50 Klockan3 wrote:On April 12 2009 11:18 ItchReliever wrote:
insecurity is the single most dominant reason why anybody any where can be an ass. if you are confident then you don't feel threatened and don't get defensive. instead you're relaxed and happy. Studies have shown that bullies have average or above average self esteem in general and no proofs have been laid out on where these so called "insecurities" would come from. Lack of empathy, insecurity, and as someone mentioned before narcissism can also lead someone to being a bully. Narcissism, however, also has insecurity at its root.
do psychologists claim that there is anything not rooted in insecurity?
seems to make far more sense for a person who thinks he is awesome to actually.. think that he is awesome.
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On April 14 2009 12:24 rei wrote: Show nested quote +On April 14 2009 09:28 InToTheWannaB wrote:
People today act "nice" to each other because if they do not. Then they will not have a job or be in jail. These repercussion keep civilization in-line. When these repercussion are not in place(internet, 3rd world nation ect..) We see humans time and again at their worst.. People for whatever reason deep down want to act cruelly to each others. History even shows us this. Feudal lords were often very barbaric to there serfs. They did this despite having all their basic needs met and way more security then any common man. Yet they still subjugated there fellow man because they simply could.
. Human beings live together because we all benefit from society to some degree. Think about the ancient society of stone ages, human beings hunt together, they are able to bring down bigger preys which they can not if they are soloing the prey. It is the mutual benefits of living together as a society that propel people to get along with each other. Not the repercussions. These repercussions are merely rules made by human beings to ensure the mutual benefits of a functioning society. Show nested quote +On April 14 2009 09:28 InToTheWannaB wrote:
It just human nature to be cruel to each other rather then being nice to one another . Unless being nice will advance us somehow. your example of "Feudal lords being barbaric because they simply could" to support your argument that "it is just human nature to be cruel to each other rather than being nice to one another" is a Converse Fallacy of Accident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacies) You can not argues from a special case of "Feudal lords" to a general rule of "it is human nature to be Cruel". there are many examples of people being "nice" to each other that in no way benefit themselves. (Bob Doles jumping in the bunker to block the machine gun with his body, how does that benefit him? yet why is he being so nice to his comrades and protect them?)
Well yes i suppose your correct you can't take that one example to prove it is human nature to be cruel. However what I'm fairly sure we can all agree on is that selfless acts are the rarity. Thats why they are celebrated but acts of humans doing fuck up shit to each other threw our history for no other reason then they just seem to want too. Well those are not so rare. I never claimed ever human, all the time will be cruel to each other for no reason. I am of the opinion that the majority will. I'm sure at some point in his life even Bob Dole did something cruel to another person simply because he wanted too.
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For me, I always like to ask the question why. So if someone is Cruel I ask why, if i don't get a straight answer then I will search for it instead of rolling over and say "no explanation is required, it is human nature, to be cruel" If you do not seek for the answer, instead make up a rule (in your case "human nature is cruel") to accommodate for few observations in many, in terms of logical thinking ability, you are no better than the people who invented bible or people who still believe in creationism today.
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On April 14 2009 13:39 rei wrote:
For me, I always like to ask the question why. So if someone is Cruel I ask why, if i don't get a straight answer then I will search for it instead of rolling over and say "no explanation is required, it is human nature, to be cruel" If you do not seek for the answer, instead make up a rule (in your case "human nature is cruel") to accommodate for few observations in many, in terms of logical thinking ability, you are no better than the people who invented bible or people who still believe in creationism today.
God made it happen. Because if you can't explain something, god must have done it.
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On April 09 2009 06:57 Mooga wrote:
Why are people so unpleasant?
I've been a person for nearly my whole life; I'm an avid fan of people games of a wide spectrum of genres. However, many of my fellow people have been causing me to lose some faith in humanity. Quite frankly, they're douchebags. A**holes. Pr*cks. Call them whatever you like, but the fact is, many, and I mean MANY, of them are not pleasant people. You hear them on The Bill O'Reilly Factor or in your grocery store, you read their insulting comments on bathroom stalls, and it all further proves their disgusting behavior. Is it simply human nature? Adolescent males? Is it the nurture that society provides to its users? I can't say for sure, but I know one thing: it makes me sick.
[insert other group for person]
It's not only gamers, there are "unpleasant" people in every group, except it just happens that the annoying people are more noticeable and vocal on the internet.
Lol ya this, and the cartoon pretty much sum up everything.
Annoying people are everywhere. And it's completely subjective.
One person's best friend might be incredibly annoying to someone else.
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On April 14 2009 13:39 rei wrote:
For me, I always like to ask the question why. So if someone is Cruel I ask why, if i don't get a straight answer then I will search for it instead of rolling over and say "no explanation is required, it is human nature, to be cruel" If you do not seek for the answer, instead make up a rule (in your case "human nature is cruel") to accommodate for few observations in many, in terms of logical thinking ability, you are no better than the people who invented bible or people who still believe in creationism today.
Well maybe we have different veiws on what human nature is then. You seem to think if you knew a cave man killed another because he was say..... jealous of his shinny new club. That would somehow prove that its not in a humans nature to be cruel? It was not human nature that lead to the killing!! it was jealousy!! Well to me that emotion is just part of human nature. Sure maybe in each case u can pin it on a single emotion or a combination of them. However in a broader sense all those emotions are part of what it means to be human.
So again as i stated from the start. If people can get away with being cruel. Then they will. Be it talking smack on the internet, or killing u because you have a nicer club. Humans will always act cruely if there nothing preventing them.
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On April 14 2009 09:28 InToTheWannaB wrote:
OK lets bring the topic back to the internet for a moment. We see on the internet that people despite having all there basic needs met. Act, as you would say in a "evil" way. The same can be said for kids. Using these two examples I think it pretty clear that you opinion of human natrue is misguided. Humans clearly do at their heart have a need and desire to pick on the weak. You say these people are a minority("The true jackass"). I have to argue they are the majority.
People today act "nice" to each other because if they do not. Then they will not have a job or be in jail. These repercussion keep civilization in-line. When these repercussion are not in place(internet, 3rd world nation ect..) We see humans time and again at their worst.. People for whatever reason deep down want to act cruelly to each others. History even shows us this. Feudal lords were often very barbaric to there serfs. They did this despite having all their basic needs met and way more security then any common man. Yet they still subjugated there fellow man because they simply could.
I don't know about you, but the majority of people I meet online I can get along with just fine.
According to some studies, fully 10% of the population is "true jackass".
In situations without any social control, for example, anonymously online, all those 10% would act like jackasses instead of hiding it. 10% is a lot, and you remember bad experiences way more easily than good experiences, so if you see 10% behaving badly you might assume that everyone is a jackass.
Is 10% jackass enough to convince you that it is human nature is to be a jackass, though? For me, it would have to be closer to 90% for me to be convinced of that, and it's just not true that 90% of the people on the internet are jackasses.
Even if it might seem that way due to selective memory.
I'm not claiming that 0.0001% is a true jackass, and that we would be fine without all this neat social control we have. We wouldn't be fine. 10% bad people is more than enough to bring any society down if we can't keep it under control. I'm just saying, not everyone is a jackass. Not even close. If you belong to this 10%, you have plenty reason to be ashamed of yourself and make some effort to become a better person.
"Everyone is a jackass anyway" is both false and a horrible excuse even if it were true. It seems to me you are just trying to hide behind "human nature" in order not to have to take responsibility for your bad deeds.
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Why are gamers internet users such unpleasant people?
Anonymity
/end thread ^^
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On April 12 2009 11:18 ItchReliever wrote:
insecurity is the single most dominant reason why anybody any where can be an ass. if you are confident then you don't feel threatened and don't get defensive. instead you're relaxed and happy. Wrong, I'm 100% sure that I'm awesome and I'm still an asshole.
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