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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-06 20:11:03
December 06 2008 20:10 GMT
#81
Does it mention anything about the stratification of wealth between charity-giving democrats and charity-giving republicans?

Because the data I've seen suggests that more liberals give to charity in less amounts, while percentage-wise, less conservatives give to charity in larger amounts.
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7254 Posts
December 06 2008 20:10 GMT
#82
On December 07 2008 05:03 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2008 04:54 Sadist wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:52 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:50 Sadist wrote:
As exposure to liberal professors by young naive students goes up
conservatism goes down

=D

(And im not talking about political parties here)


Fixed



theres absolutely nothing wrong with being liberal (especially socially) infact it is a desired trait. You are more open minded and actually give a fuck about people other than yourself and people in your tax bracket.


I imagine you sitting at your Professor's feet gazing up into his wizened eyes as he says these exact words.



Please.

Ive had my views on my own way before i even played starcraft.

All it takes is a little thought and a realization that you and your family and your friends arent the fucking only people in the universe. There are other people out there that are different and your ideas and ideals arent always right. If you actually question what your god damn parents or relatives or church or whatever the fuck turned you into a social conservative told you, youd see how retarded it is. People like that just want to maintain the status-quo because they are comfortable.

PS I'm an Mechanical Engineering major, and The old guard is conservative(because they are whitebread and have money), but nobody my age whos actually grown up in a diverse environment(ie probably around "coloreds" according to you) believes conservatism is worth a damn.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7254 Posts
December 06 2008 20:11 GMT
#83
On December 07 2008 05:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Does it mention anything about the stratification of wealth between charity-giving democrats and charity-giving republicans?

Because the data I've seen suggests that more liberals give to charity in less amounts, while percentage-wise, less republicans give to charity in larger amounts.



they use it for tax write-offs.
This idea of giving to charity is dodgy anyway. If most are churchgoing republicans, I wonder if paying a tithe counts toward charity etc.

How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
yoshtodd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States418 Posts
December 06 2008 20:11 GMT
#84
Damn I thought we were done with Savio after the election thread died.
moo
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
December 06 2008 20:12 GMT
#85
On December 07 2008 05:08 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2008 04:54 Sadist wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:52 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:50 Sadist wrote:
As exposure to liberal professors by young naive students goes up
conservatism goes down

=D

(And im not talking about political parties here)


Fixed



theres absolutely nothing wrong with being liberal (especially socially) infact it is a desired trait. You are more open minded and actually give a fuck about people other than yourself and people in your tax bracket.



I love when people try to say the being liberal means you "really care" and that conservatives don't. Especially because when you look at the data you see the opposite:

Do a google search on whether Republicans or Democrats give more to charity. You will find that it is Republicans. Democrats are pretty generous with tax money taken by coercion, while Republicans tend to be more generous with their own money.

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

Excerpt:

"In Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism (Basic Books), Arthur C. Brooks finds that religious conservatives are far more charitable than secular liberals, and that those who support the idea that government should redistribute income are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others."

"If liberals persist in their antipathy to religion," Mr. Brooks writes, "the Democrats will become not only the party of secularism, but also the party of uncharity."



And a map of the most generous state in the Union with red being "more generous":

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Here is the outcome of the 2004 Presidential race:

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Source: http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2005/11/generosity_inde.html

According to this, 28 of the 29 "most generous" states are Red States that voted for President Bush (including all 25 of the "most generous" states)

While 17 of the 21 "least generous" states are Blue States that voted for Senator Kerry (including all 7 of the "least generous" states)




So, what were you just saying about liberals being "more caring" than conservatives?


i don't even see how this is on topic
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
Tadzio
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
3340 Posts
December 06 2008 20:13 GMT
#86


More Jeff Cohen.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 06 2008 20:13 GMT
#87
I think it's good that we have this debate. I mean, imagine if you were one of the only liberals on TL.net - wouldn't you make these types of posts?
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-06 20:16:05
December 06 2008 20:14 GMT
#88
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Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7254 Posts
December 06 2008 20:15 GMT
#89
Having people of differing opinions is always a good thing. It breeds discussion and gets you to question your own views and make you decide where they come from and if you really agree with them.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
yoshtodd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States418 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-06 20:21:29
December 06 2008 20:17 GMT
#90
On December 07 2008 05:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I think it's good that we have this debate. I mean, imagine if you were one of the only liberals on TL.net - wouldn't you make these types of posts?


No I wouldn't. One side is never convinced by the other. The same arguments were rehashed over and over in the election thread, I think Savio just misses the attention and likes hearing himself talk.

It's like me going to a heavily pro christian environment and being like "Hey guys God doesn't exist, here I even have charts to prove it." That's not encouraging discussion it's just blatant attention whoring.
moo
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 06 2008 20:19 GMT
#91
College costs so much money nowadays that it's not even funny. A trip to the ER can easily cost $5000. A new house or car is damn near unaffordable for a young person who doesn't have rich parents.

On top of that, the economic policies of the past 8 years have precipitated a huge recession, making it hard to get a job to pay off all this debt.

What's wrong with trying out what other countries are having huge success with?
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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
December 06 2008 20:21 GMT
#92
On December 07 2008 05:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Does it mention anything about the stratification of wealth between charity-giving democrats and charity-giving republicans?

Because the data I've seen suggests that more liberals give to charity in less amounts, while percentage-wise, less conservatives give to charity in larger amounts.


What data do you have?
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 06 2008 20:23 GMT
#93
On December 07 2008 05:14 dronebabo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2008 04:05 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:02 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
He does have a point, though. Most other countries have stuff like free education and free healthcare.


And free lunch! WoooOOOOoooo!

(You'd better recognize what I am saying)

amen

lol @ liberals being more concerned with the welfare of others
please

Well, I mean, this type of broad, sweeping generalization is really bad, but I see liberals marching for peace, equal rights and sustainable agriculture, whereas the only conservative demonstrations I've seen in the past 6 months have had signs like "GOD HATES FAGS" and "FAGS BURN IN HELL".
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
December 06 2008 20:24 GMT
#94
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
December 06 2008 20:24 GMT
#95
On December 07 2008 05:03 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2008 04:54 Sadist wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:52 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:50 Sadist wrote:
As exposure to liberal professors by young naive students goes up
conservatism goes down

=D

(And im not talking about political parties here)


Fixed



theres absolutely nothing wrong with being liberal (especially socially) infact it is a desired trait. You are more open minded and actually give a fuck about people other than yourself and people in your tax bracket.


I imagine you sitting at your Professor's feet gazing up into his wizened eyes as he says these exact words.


lolol

I'm not in polisci, and none of my professors talk about modern politics

I'm sure its like that for most college/university students. And I dont blindly believe my teachers either,

Your arguement holds no weight. If you wanted to say that polisci students or maybe even history students were liberal because of college indoctrination, you might have a basis

but I dont know about you, I think it would be pretty weird if my professor was all like:

"Ok students today we are going to learn about assembly programming! First though I would like to say that Bush is satan and any conservatives you meet are demon spawn. Ok back to the lesson. So assembly is pretty difficult, but its really not all that...Whats that johnny, the conservative bastards are evil and dont care about anyone? We'll I'm afraid I agree completely with that. They sure a selfish bastards!"

HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND?!
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
December 06 2008 20:26 GMT
#96
On December 07 2008 05:10 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2008 05:03 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:54 Sadist wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:52 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:50 Sadist wrote:
As exposure to liberal professors by young naive students goes up
conservatism goes down

=D

(And im not talking about political parties here)


Fixed



theres absolutely nothing wrong with being liberal (especially socially) infact it is a desired trait. You are more open minded and actually give a fuck about people other than yourself and people in your tax bracket.


I imagine you sitting at your Professor's feet gazing up into his wizened eyes as he says these exact words.



Please.

Ive had my views on my own way before i even played starcraft.

All it takes is a little thought and a realization that you and your family and your friends arent the fucking only people in the universe. There are other people out there that are different and your ideas and ideals arent always right. If you actually question what your god damn parents or relatives or church or whatever the fuck turned you into a social conservative told you, youd see how retarded it is. People like that just want to maintain the status-quo because they are comfortable.

PS I'm an Mechanical Engineering major, and The old guard is conservative(because they are whitebread and have money), but nobody my age whos actually grown up in a diverse environment(ie probably around "coloreds" according to you) believes conservatism is worth a damn.

There are many different kinds of conservatism, but in general your views on it are way off. It's not so simple as "if you care about others, you're a liberal". At the bottom liberals and conservatives disagree because they have very different assumptions about such things as happiness, justice, human nature.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
December 06 2008 20:28 GMT
#97
So essentially Jeff Cohen is complaining that liberals are not as liberal as he is.


No.

It.

Wasn't.

Way to go Captain Strawman, keep putting up charity charts and dodging the devastating bombs being rained on your position.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-06 20:30:32
December 06 2008 20:28 GMT
#98
On December 07 2008 05:24 fusionsdf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2008 05:03 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:54 Sadist wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:52 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:50 Sadist wrote:
As exposure to liberal professors by young naive students goes up
conservatism goes down

=D

(And im not talking about political parties here)


Fixed



theres absolutely nothing wrong with being liberal (especially socially) infact it is a desired trait. You are more open minded and actually give a fuck about people other than yourself and people in your tax bracket.


I imagine you sitting at your Professor's feet gazing up into his wizened eyes as he says these exact words.


lolol

I'm not in polisci, and none of my professors talk about modern politics

I'm sure its like that for most college/university students. And I dont blindly believe my teachers either,

Your arguement holds no weight. If you wanted to say that polisci students or maybe even history students were liberal because of college indoctrination, you might have a basis

but I dont know about you, I think it would be pretty weird if my professor was all like:

"Ok students today we are going to learn about assembly programming! First though I would like to say that Bush is satan and any conservatives you meet are demon spawn. Ok back to the lesson. So assembly is pretty difficult, but its really not all that...Whats that johnny, the conservative bastards are evil and dont care about anyone? We'll I'm afraid I agree completely with that. They sure a selfish bastards!"

HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND?!



You're right. Its more the humanities where you see the leftist ideas being pushed. There is obviously more reasons why young college students tend to become liberal. One may be that it is farther from "traditional" or "status quo" as we have heard so it is a lot "cooler". Another may be that college students pay almost no tax and are more likely to be recieving help from the government than giving back to government so low taxes are not important but high government spending is.

This may also explain why they move back toward the right when they get out into the real world and start paying taxes and raising families.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
December 06 2008 20:28 GMT
#99
On December 07 2008 05:21 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2008 05:10 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Does it mention anything about the stratification of wealth between charity-giving democrats and charity-giving republicans?

Because the data I've seen suggests that more liberals give to charity in less amounts, while percentage-wise, less conservatives give to charity in larger amounts.


What data do you have?

http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/02/19/Poor-Give-More-to-Charity

This doesn't mention anything about political parties, but it's not the study I wanted to cite, either.

I don't have the original data, so I'll withdraw my claim.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
December 06 2008 20:30 GMT
#100
On December 07 2008 05:28 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2008 05:24 fusionsdf wrote:
On December 07 2008 05:03 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:54 Sadist wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:52 Savio wrote:
On December 07 2008 04:50 Sadist wrote:
As exposure to liberal professors by young naive students goes up
conservatism goes down

=D

(And im not talking about political parties here)


Fixed



theres absolutely nothing wrong with being liberal (especially socially) infact it is a desired trait. You are more open minded and actually give a fuck about people other than yourself and people in your tax bracket.


I imagine you sitting at your Professor's feet gazing up into his wizened eyes as he says these exact words.


lolol

I'm not in polisci, and none of my professors talk about modern politics

I'm sure its like that for most college/university students. And I dont blindly believe my teachers either,

Your arguement holds no weight. If you wanted to say that polisci students or maybe even history students were liberal because of college indoctrination, you might have a basis

but I dont know about you, I think it would be pretty weird if my professor was all like:

"Ok students today we are going to learn about assembly programming! First though I would like to say that Bush is satan and any conservatives you meet are demon spawn. Ok back to the lesson. So assembly is pretty difficult, but its really not all that...Whats that johnny, the conservative bastards are evil and dont care about anyone? We'll I'm afraid I agree completely with that. They sure a selfish bastards!"

HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO BLIND?!



You're right. Its more the humanities where you see the leftist ideas being pushed. There is obviously more reasons why young college students tend to become liberal. One may be that it is farther from "traditional" or "status quo" as we have heard so it is a lot "cooler". Another may be that college students pay almost no tax and are more likely to be recieving help from the government than giving back to government so low taxes are not important but high government spending is.



I think its just because they are naive and rebelling against their parents
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