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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
the conservatives donations come mostly from companies. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
On November 30 2008 03:12 a-game wrote: obama's donations largely consisted of small donor donations, IE regular folk donating in mass the conservatives donations come mostly from companies. Where do you guys get your news from? CBC? "Although an unusually high percentage (49%) of Obama's funds came in discrete contributions of $200 or less (see Table 3), only 26% of his money through August 31 (and 24% of his funds through October 15, according to the most recent FEC reports) came from donors whose total contributions aggregated to $200 or less. Obama's 26% compares to 25% for George W. Bush in 2004, 20% for John Kerry in 2004, 21% for John McCain in 2008, 13% for Hillary Clinton in 2008, and 38% for Howard Dean in 2004." http://www.cfinst.org/pr/prRelease.aspx?ReleaseID=216 | ||
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Chef
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On November 29 2008 08:16 BatTheMan wrote: Cut public funding to parties imo = good. Fuck them politicians make your own cash. I'm sick seeing my hard earned cash going away. Conservatives cut gst more also. You kids will understand when you start working. Yeah, let's just get rid of taxes altogether so everything is privately owned by the rich, and they can charge whatever they want for people to use their services, which will now be based on profit instead of service, because they're no longer publically funded. When will you donkeys learn that taxes are good, and make your lives better. Do you seriously want to live in a world where you have to pay some rich guy to use his road? The beauty of public programs is that they aren't supposed to make a profit, which means it's cheaper overall for everyone who uses the service. The only people who see any benefit from lowered taxes are people with incomes that exceed 200k per year, where that 2 or 3% means thousands of more dollars for them. For poor people, it's like 100 dollars saved per year, which is killed off and thensome immediately by any privatized services they might need to use thruout the year. What the hell is more ideal about privatized services for the lower to middle income classes than public services that can operate with no motive whatsoever to gauge you for you cash? If you're rich, maybe the services will get to be of much better quality, but then nobody else can use them, which is what you see in the United States, and why Canada needs to learn from the USA's mistakes, not repeat them like retarded torries. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
EDIT and then I saw that you guys derailed this to be about american politics long since in the past. Fail for you  | ||
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onepost
Canada297 Posts
Harper is counting on the Liberal Party to yield once more, like they did over and over during his previous mandate. But that won't happen this time, if only because Stephane Dion has resigned and only keeps the seat warm for his successor. The other opposition parties are theoretically buyable but the conservatives won't yield on their demands. Since every party involved is stubborn like a mule, there will be a vote, and the government will be overthrown. The Governor General won't accept that the country returns to the voting booths just a couple months after the previous election, unless there is no other option. I don't see the possibility of any opposition party accepting to form a coalition with the Conservative Party. Which leaves us with two likely possibilities: Either all three opposition parties form a coalition, --or-- The Governor General will ask the official opposition party (the Liberal Party) to form a government. Both options would install a very volatile government, bound to be overthrown within a year. Then we would have new elections. Canada is such a great country that our government is the world's most unstable, uncharismatic, and impotent, save for Iraq's. | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
On November 30 2008 03:58 Warrior Madness wrote: Where do you guys get your news from? CBC? "Although an unusually high percentage (49%) of Obama's funds came in discrete contributions of $200 or less (see Table 3), only 26% of his money through August 31 (and 24% of his funds through October 15, according to the most recent FEC reports) came from donors whose total contributions aggregated to $200 or less. Obama's 26% compares to 25% for George W. Bush in 2004, 20% for John Kerry in 2004, 21% for John McCain in 2008, 13% for Hillary Clinton in 2008, and 38% for Howard Dean in 2004." http://www.cfinst.org/pr/prRelease.aspx?ReleaseID=216 49% of his donations were under 200, that's the only point i was trying to make. that was the whole strategy of the obama campaign, over the course of 2 years regular folk could continually make small donations to his campaign, he could keep coming back a few months later and ask for more, that was the whole point of his small donor strategy. that kind of donation enthusiasm does not exist among small donors in canada, so public financing is more important here. (otherwise the only place to get money would be businesses and unions) | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
seeing as we just had an election 5 weeks ago, the Governor General is highly unlikely to call an election. so it's most likely she'd invite the opposition to become the new government. Edit: to an outsider, that might sound undemocratic, but combined the opposition parties got 63% of the vote in the last election, and they have the majority of the seats in the canadian 'congress', so it's completely democratic | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2008/11/29/coalition.html It seems the conservatives have decided to not go forward with their plan to cut government subsidies to political parties. Its not quite clear what is going to happen though. The opposition parties still seem pissed off at the lack of a stimulus package for the economy and with Harper's refusal to work with the other parties on any issue. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
The Conservatives are still going to be ousted. | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
the next week is going to consist of the conservatives launching a blistering PR attack to smear the coalition. plus, the liberals are divided as heck, i mean do you think ignatieff or rae want to sign off on dion as pm? at this point, backing down would make the coalition look about as ridiculous as john mccain looked after the 'suspending my campaign' gaffe. but it may still end up happening. it's gonna be an interesting next 8 days | ||
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onepost
Canada297 Posts
On November 30 2008 08:44 a-game wrote: well, the opposition parties could yet chicken out. Why? Without the threat of elections, what reason do they have to chicken out? They won't. | ||
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warribbons
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
ahahaha chretien is so awesome | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On November 29 2008 17:05 Bill307 wrote: Public funding for politicians is good is because politicians who rely primarily on private funding become PUPPETS to the companies that fund them. If you'd rather have politicians who are working for the companies rather than the public, then feel free to move to the US: you won't be missed. not to mention, if we cut down public funding, we would go down to a 2 party system pretty damn quick, and I don't think that would be good | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
On December 01 2008 02:23 onepost wrote: Why? Without the threat of elections, what reason do they have to chicken out? They won't. if they don't have the popular opinion on their side, which is exactly what the conservatives are trying to engineer. there's no benefit in governing a country that has turned on you and will vote you into anonymity the next chance they get Edit: i'm not saying they will chicken out, i think it would be terribly embarrassing if they did, but if public opinion tacks against this move then they're going to be in a very awkward position, so it just seems to me like chickening out may yet end up being a possibility | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
what do you guys think of the conservatives secret tape? sounds almost watergateish when it comes from the prime ministers office, especially directly | ||
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