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Epicfailguy
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Norway893 Posts
October 23 2008 21:29 GMT
#41
I THINK he cheated in some tournament and it caused JF to not win some money..yeah sorry but thats all I remember.
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-23 21:44:40
October 23 2008 21:42 GMT
#42
"In before close" is a great line. Actually people would say that in this other forum I would go to, but it turned into one big inside joke basically. Which is like the point where a forum ultimately fails. People get all emotional and involved with each others lives. It really does eff things up.

I like TL, I don't really post alot, I read the news. I read strat forum. I watch vods.

Its like I actually look forward to what happens with the whole point of the website, which is important for a member of any forum to have. Because just making stupid effing inside jokes is pointless and not really long lasting fun.

I went to the mega64ums site before this. Basically the reason that failed as a forum is because -the show sucks(just an opinion, fine to those who like it),
- the creator is insecure and takes it out on people, and gets selectively and personally involved with members. Now. That isn't such a bad thing to keep contact with your audience, but like for example when suddenly a girl appeared on the forums, its like OH SNAP GOTTA KEEP HER TO MYSELF, and gets personally involved with them and bans them for personal reasons, even though they didnt break rules. Its like, come on, you are supposed to be running a show and you just cause drama instead. Haha.

- Also it was a mistake for him to switch his server with an attention whore guy who basically has little tantrums and would ban randomly and just try to manipulate people to keep his reputation good and get him on internet tv. He really only wanted to get his own show going or something.

It was very poorly moderated, causing alot of unneccesary drama and cliques and inside jokes for every thread. Which is lame to be honest.

TL on the other hand is more professional. It has alot of mods. Alot of active members per day, alot of personalities, it gives fresh news constantly, has alot of people who are actually passionate about the game and scene. I can see why it has lasted for the 7 or so years now, or however long.
Everyone basically plays starcraft, which on the other hand, not everyone watched and liked mega64, so they just troll and flame and raid other forums with inside jokes( which was fun for a while, but again, it makes forums fail)
I'm sure there are forum members here that keep in contact with each other. but I have never noticed just a group of people ganging up in every thread on one person in particular for a long long time till they finally leave or whatever. Maybe I just look in the wrong places.


I guess aside from all this rambling and testifying. This is a pretty solid forum, it has good moderation, although it isn't the best, it sure has a good format and certainly improved alot. I think this mma forum which I rarely go to is the best, because the fact I hardly post there, and my brother is a mod there. Thats the sole reason its the best.

also a little end note. Chill is effin awesome. The strat forum is like infinity times better with a savage like him running it.
Hoo Ra!
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
October 23 2008 23:44 GMT
#43
I used to go to a boxing forum, and at the time it was a small-time thing. Then they got some corporate sponsorships, and tons of people started flooding the site. The moderators didn't ban anybody, and all intelligent discussion was lost. It was just a bunch of retards typing in caps that so and so was stupid, or so and so sucked, and not offering any explanation. Had they banned people, it would have still been a top-notch forum, full of people who knew what they were talking about (pro fighters used to visit the forum, but stopped because of all the retards). Not banning destroys the quality of the posters on a given forum, and a forum is worthless if it's posters are worthless, no matter what the name of the forum (by that I mean if it's a prestigious name, like TL is in the SC community, it wouldn't matter if all the posters were shitty posters).

Banning idiots is the only way to keep forum quality at a high level.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
October 24 2008 01:23 GMT
#44
I think bans are fine. It's not difficult to ban someone and it's a lot harder for them to get their post count back up and name recognition. If they really want to be asshats you can IP ban them.

Aside: Fumanchu, did you play NetStorm? I figure it's worth a shot since SC and NS are both strategy games.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
October 24 2008 01:48 GMT
#45
On October 24 2008 05:14 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2008 04:44 vGl-CoW wrote:
you have two banned accounts

RAPIST: stop punishing rape you guys it's not getting anyone anywhere

The penile system is actually largely ineffective. That is, incarceration. You basically either need to rehabilitate criminals, or kill them if you don't want them to commit crimes anymore.

That said, IP ban is pretty much the TL equivalent of capital punishment, and capital punishment is a very good deterrent for most crimes (as well as in keeping the site clean).


places with capital punishment have higher rates of crime juuuuuuuuuuuuuuust saying

bans here are totally different and bans here are completely worthwhile.
:O
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
October 24 2008 01:52 GMT
#46
Sure people can bypass banning by using proxies etc, but really; banning is worth it. People deserving a ban will never get a high post count because they keep getting banned. Not to say post count matters, but generally a higher post count gains more respect than a lower one.

Idk, when you weigh the pro's and con's, banning is beneficial. If you didn't ban anyone, the forums would be a shithole. Imagine blogs, but 10x more clueless and random, but for the entire forums.
Culture
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada488 Posts
October 24 2008 02:17 GMT
#47
On October 24 2008 05:27 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Locking down ability to watch live SC, read recaps, use the calendar, use TLPD, etc. would make bans hurt much more and get more people to register instead of lurk, increasing the chances they eventually post.


I don't think that a policy like this would be a good idea -- the resources of TL are available to everyone: members, koreans, progamers, casual moms stumbling on this site, etc. TL exists as an educational portal for starcraft, and stopping people without registration/bans from accessing content would be like banning the uneducated from attending schools.

I am sure that the ratio of lurkers vs posters is greatly in the lurker's favor and that's fine. Everyone doesn't *need* to participate in the forum discussions, the ones who do chose to do so for a closer feeling community. Moderation exists so the staff members can enjoy the website and converse with people they like --- the resources of the site exist to celebrate our love for starcraft, and these things are separate.
capek
Profile Joined September 2008
United States585 Posts
October 24 2008 02:23 GMT
#48
On October 24 2008 06:27 CDRdude wrote:
What did Dino do? All I know is that he's a foreigner accused of hacking. What did he do to get so much hate? Based on the TL crowd disliking him, I have no doubt its something bad, but can someone explain the story behind it?

Would like to know as well.
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 24 2008 02:47 GMT
#49
Even if it's not fullproof, banning keeps out a LOT of rifraff over time, and gives incentive for people not to put crap in the first place.
Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
October 24 2008 03:44 GMT
#50
banning is extremely important to a forum. TL Staff know this.
I can only play starcraft when I am shit canned. IPXZERG is a god.
BlackStar
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Netherlands3029 Posts
October 24 2008 03:48 GMT
#51
Yeah, because like half of TL staff has been banned themselves. Just like almost everyone else.

Main reason they ban people here is to keep your post count low, it seems.

If you open up an old topic like 1/3rd to 1/5th of the posts were made by now perma-banned people.
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
October 24 2008 03:55 GMT
#52
On October 24 2008 12:48 BlackStar wrote:
Yeah, because like half of TL staff has been banned themselves. Just like almost everyone else.

Main reason they ban people here is to keep your post count low, it seems.

If you open up an old topic like 1/3rd to 1/5th of the posts were made by now perma-banned people.

1/3rd to 1/5th? That's a fairly large exaggeration imo...
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randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
October 24 2008 04:26 GMT
#53
More bans = less crap posters
Less crap posters = good

Please don't ban me.
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9107 Posts
October 24 2008 04:29 GMT
#54
It's not that easy to just get a new computer every time you get IP banned. I mean, you'd get the whole public library banned from TL eventually. And no one really listens to people with less than 10 posts anyway! (Unless their post is surprisingly thoughtful and intelligent sounding, and even then...)
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
October 24 2008 04:58 GMT
#55
On October 24 2008 04:06 paper wrote:
when you ban someone, they come back either the same or changed for the better

if theyre the same, ban again; changed for the better, keep them.

what's so hard to grasp about this?

rofl recursive procedure
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
October 24 2008 05:01 GMT
#56
This thread only deserved a quick, "yes."
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
October 24 2008 05:09 GMT
#57
On October 24 2008 12:48 BlackStar wrote:
Yeah, because like half of TL staff has been banned themselves. Just like almost everyone else.

Main reason they ban people here is to keep your post count low, it seems.

If you open up an old topic like 1/3rd to 1/5th of the posts were made by now perma-banned people.


You are an idiot.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
October 24 2008 05:17 GMT
#58
On October 24 2008 05:14 PsycHOTemplar wrote:
The penile system is actually largely ineffective.


Speak for yourself dude.

Oh, and I think the word is "penal".
May the BeSt man win.
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
October 24 2008 05:55 GMT
#59
to put it simply, there are too many retards who posion threads with their idiocy. banning people helps promote real discussion.
Follow me on twitter: CallMeTasteless
MyLostTemple *
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States2921 Posts
October 24 2008 05:56 GMT
#60
On October 24 2008 04:18 Kwark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2008 04:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
No one will ban you for your opinion if you tell it without insulting others.

Dino is a top gamer and deserves our respect.


dude this made me lol
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