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Not to question the decision of banning on this website, but I can hardly see the point in banning someone anymore. I personally have about 2000 names on my wc3 banlist, that I use for dota alone. i have being playing dota for about 3 years now, and i am selective in what i consider ban worthy. usually when i post someone is banned, the person doesn't get kicked because they were banned more than four months ago, or the host just doesn't care and wants the game to start.
And even banning on this site seems pretty pointless as well. Once again not trying to anger anyone, just trying to make my point. getting banned does not mean you can never post again. just find a different computer and log in with a new name, and away you go.
the only reasons i can see now to ban someone is because of power, spite, and to set an example. the only problem is setting an example is not needed. the people on this site who want to continue posting, and continue to get a good reputation with their posting aren't going to throw that away with a bannable post. they already know the norm of what is acceptable. and the people that get banned usually know why they got banned and don't give a care. i've never heard of someone being emotionally crushed because they were banned from something.
so do you think banning is pointless? or is it more like an ant that crawls into your house, and even though you know theres a hundred more ants that are going to find their way in, you crush that ant because it ticked you off for being such a cocky dink.
im not looking for an absolute answer, so much as an opinion that can help rekindle my desire to ban people.
P.S. plz dont ban me
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United States44381 Posts
Go read the gg.net forums then tell us banning doesn't make a forum better. The moderation weeds out the people who have nothing to contribute but feel like doing it anyway and keeps the rest of us making quality posts. There's no point in anyone doing anything for tl if the community sucks. Banning not only improves (or prevents) the posts of the bad it also encourages the good posters to contribute.
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it's worth it when someone with more than 700 posts gets banned.
edit: oh and btw, what's your solution? make TL invite only?
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when you ban someone, they come back either the same or changed for the better
if theyre the same, ban again; changed for the better, keep them.
what's so hard to grasp about this?
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Banning makes people less likely to post like shit, and if they do anyway they get banned, pretty simple concept, and very functional.
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United States44381 Posts
Take the strategy forum. Chill rules it with an iron fist and closes [h] topics where the creator puts no effort in and just asks for a miracle cure to stop them sucking. He also strat forum bans people who go off topic or just give an unqualified and irrelevant opinion on the subject. Not only is this better for the person asking for help but it also stimulates real discussion on strategy and gives a few gems like Nony reason to spend an hour typing up a long explanation of just how to win at starcraft. I doubt that same motivation would be there if his post was lost in a swarm of "lol you suck" and "protoss imba" comments. The gg.net strategy forum is a joke because nobody with anything to contribute can be bothered because there really is no point. Their time is wasted. Moderation generates discussion and rewards those who contribute.
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Katowice25012 Posts
Banning can be a somewhat pointless exercise (in that someone can make another account and continue to make shitty posts), but I don't think that means it should be done less. If anything, that means it should be done more.
the only problem is setting an example is not needed.
This is your base assumption that is wrong. Even though this community is aged and the rules of what is/is not acceptable should be clear, people continue to make countless shitty, shitty posts. A lot of people do. A forum needs to be continually pruned in order to keep its condition pristine.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
This seems like a very rhetorical question... I mean if you see an irritating, cocky douche of an ant, you stomp it. OR you can just wait until the 100 other cocky douche ants crawl in and have a blasty blast with the amazing ambiance of cockiness and doucheness. The answer is apparent.
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If you ask me a ban is not as simple as you state here. For me I'm using my real account and lots of people know me. I've somewhat to lose what I gained over the time I'm here and contribute and try to enjoy my stay and the stay of others.
If I would get banned I'd lose my 5000+ posts, my nickname and my reputation. Also the chance of getting banned with lots of posts is a lot lower than getting banned with few posts. There are really good examples on teamliquid for users who would have got a ban without having thousands of posts for bitching around (even if you can see its just fun).
The point is, when posters know each other over the time, they can be a bit cockier and everyone still knows how its meant. If someone with 10 posts insults you, he won't enjoy his stay long enough to post another 10 times.
I think you should continue to ban people which are unable to stay within really simple rules. Basically all you need to do is:
- post in English
- be mannered / friendly
No one will ban you for your opinion if you tell it without insulting others.
Edit: On a site note, did you get a ban? Because you have 7 posts and ask about stuff like that :-)! Haha.. just a question, I'm not pointing at you!
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If you do get banned it's still somewhat of a hassle to get around the problem. And most trolls and idiots are probably not ready to go through all that just to post. And as Kwark said, banning people will eventually thin the flock, removing the unwanted people, while making the posters think twice about whether are actually contributing.
The only reason I post so little on TL and lurk so much is that I think the quality of most post are so high that I feel i seldom have much to contribute when there is already so much great reading available.
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but it also sometimes reduces the reputation of the site and makes some people fear/hate the site
then again, it can be seen that it fortifies the nature of the site and weeds out the wusses
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United States44381 Posts
On October 24 2008 04:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
No one will ban you for your opinion if you tell it without insulting others.
Dino is a top gamer and deserves our respect.
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Banning is very important. I feel that a moderation staff needs to be willing to (for rule violations, by extension a clear, concise list of rules is nice) and ban openly. Explaining why said person was banned is quite important to a good community.
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
On October 24 2008 04:16 capek wrote:
but it also sometimes reduces the reputation of the site and makes some people fear/hate the site
then again, it can be seen that it fortifies the nature of the site and weeds out the wusses
How would banning idiots and assholes reduce the reputation of the site or make people fear it? If people are afraid of joining a site because of the fact that they'll get banned for making disrespectful and dumbass remarks, then they shouldn't be joining in the first place.
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I guess you were banned before 
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Braavos36402 Posts
Naruto is right, the point of having a forum identity is to build it and form relationships with people. A ban resets your ability to do this. In addition, bans accomplish much more than simply setting an example, they are the basically the only enforcement tool for bad posting and forum disruption. Yes, people can re-create accounts, but don't underestimate the annoyance of constantly having to remake accounts when you are banned (and eventually IP banned if this happens a lot). It's a major deterrence and why lots of banned users don't come back.
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Belgium9950 Posts
On October 24 2008 04:18 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2008 04:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
No one will ban you for your opinion if you tell it without insulting others.
Dino is a top gamer and deserves our respect.
LOL
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On October 24 2008 04:18 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2008 04:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
No one will ban you for your opinion if you tell it without insulting others.
Dino is a top gamer and deserves our respect.
That's pretty insulting to pretty much every top gamer.
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On October 24 2008 04:18 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2008 04:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
No one will ban you for your opinion if you tell it without insulting others.
Dino is a top gamer and deserves our respect.
Way to shit all over my post I guess, haha!
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United States44381 Posts
On October 24 2008 04:33 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2008 04:18 Kwark wrote:On October 24 2008 04:13 G.s)NarutO wrote:
No one will ban you for your opinion if you tell it without insulting others.
Dino is a top gamer and deserves our respect. Way to shit all over my post I guess, haha!
Well your post is pretty much right. But there is a line and Dinoloving is where we seem to draw it.
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