2008 US Presidential Election - Page 65

On October 31 2008 00:31 Velr wrote:


Were more in a:

Savio tells how the wolrd works from his view and if you disagree your a fool, probably a communist and nazi at the same time because it's the same anyway.

On October 31 2008 04:22 Jibba wrote:
Bill Clinton signed my dress.

On October 31 2008 06:58 Yourbike wrote:
There used to be music, but now there is pop music. There used to be movies, but now they are pop movies. Same goes for politics there was a time when voters knew what was going on, but now there is pop politics. Anything mass marketing and media touches, can be altered and dumbed down beyond recognition, even games. You could call them pop games or maybe EA games?
None of the original things is dead yet, there are good new games, some good new movies and music, even some good politicians but the sad thing is you may have hard time finding them under all the crap. Unless you still enjoy pop life, in which case you would not call any of that crap.

So here is the dilemma, what will young Obama supporters do if it turns out he won't deliver? Will they be tricked by the apologists, and if not then what? Will they stay in the game so to speak and pressure Obama and/or join third party efforts next time, or will they become cynics. Because that is what usually happens to many people who wake up after their first experience with a "hope and change" campaign, they become cynics who don't participate in any way.

This video made laugh, it's related and from earlier this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH9SbwSQCk4

On October 31 2008 06:58 Yourbike wrote:

So here is the dilemma, what will young Obama supporters do if it turns out he won't deliver? Will they be tricked by the apologists, and if not then what? Will they stay in the game so to speak and pressure Obama and/or join third party efforts next time, or will they become cynics. Because that is what usually happens to many people who wake up after their first experience with a "hope and change" campaign, they become cynics who don't participate in any way.

On October 31 2008 06:43 oneofthem wrote:
lol where do you go. i doubt the educational value of a mccain encounter anyway, same with an obama encounter.

On October 31 2008 07:10 Savio wrote:


They'll become cynics and then I will laugh at them. Then Republican will start acting conservative again and take back control of the government! hehe.

What if Obama becomes Jimmy Carter?

Would that mean there is a Ronald Reagan just around the corner?

On October 31 2008 01:50 Jibba wrote:
This is such a fucking stupid argument. The poles of 'left' and 'right' are simply used for simplicity's sake, neither are accurate because there's so many different issues to account for. Quit wasting time with that and start bitching with me that both candidates are going to keep Gates as Defense Secretary.

On October 30 2008 13:59 Savio wrote:I don't know about this guy, but my own personal view of left vs. right is a comparison of the size and role of government. Anything that makes the government larger or more powerful is left and anything that makes it small is right.
So communism, socialism, liberalism, nazism--they all have a powerful state (I'm talking reality rather than the "theoretical ideal" which we have never and will never see"). As you go to the right, you have conservatism, then libertarianism and finally anarchy.

So America is farther to the right than Europe because by and large we have LESS government regulation, LESS government expenditures, LOWER taxes etc. Europe has a view of a more active role of government in the economy, health care, education, and everything else (these are generalities here--I'm not citing specific countries).

Now, this is not the definition that political scientists use, but this is how I view it. I think Hitler was as far to the left as Stalin was and as far as Saddam was. Neither extreme is good...but I am glad I am a "right thinker". We don't need more government controlling us.

On October 31 2008 07:15 Mindcrime wrote:


Another Ronald Reagan? wtf, we just had 8 years of Reaganesque suck