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Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 30 2008 16:05 GMT
#1281
On October 31 2008 00:31 Velr wrote:
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I mean were basically talking about an alien vs predator situation here


Were more in a:

Savio tells how the wolrd works from his view and if you disagree your a fool, probably a communist and nazi at the same time because it's the same anyway.


This made me smile
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 30 2008 16:50 GMT
#1282
This is such a fucking stupid argument. The poles of 'left' and 'right' are simply used for simplicity's sake, neither are accurate because there's so many different issues to account for. Quit wasting time with that and start bitching with me that both candidates are going to keep Gates as Defense Secretary.
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Locke.
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Israel562 Posts
October 30 2008 17:24 GMT
#1283
btw 4th of November is the day in which Rabin was assasinated.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
October 30 2008 17:26 GMT
#1284
Okay, so I walk into my 12:30 poli sci class, and the professor tells me "Class is canceled. John McCain is going to be at the courthouse; go see him." So I went to the Courthouse... well, on the opposite corner from it because that's where some guy who sure looked like he was in the secret service was telling us to go. John McCain came in his bus, got out, and walked around the corner shaking hands. I got within 5 ft of him and one of my classmates shook his hand.

I was a bit disappointed that there was no speech. :|
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 30 2008 17:38 GMT
#1285
G.W signed my social security card.

Long story
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
October 30 2008 19:17 GMT
#1286
whenever someone says G.W I think of the evil AI from MGS2

SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-30 19:22:22
October 30 2008 19:22 GMT
#1287
Bill Clinton signed my dress.
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Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 30 2008 20:23 GMT
#1288
Ok, the infomercial wasn't bad. It didn't give anything new for anyone that's been following the campaign, but it laid everything out at once and they did a nice job with the narrating/stories. Best part was the last 30 seconds imo.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
October 30 2008 21:43 GMT
#1289
lol where do you go. i doubt the educational value of a mccain encounter anyway, same with an obama encounter.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Yourbike
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland9 Posts
October 30 2008 21:58 GMT
#1290
There used to be music, but now there is pop music. There used to be movies, but now they are pop movies. Same goes for politics there was a time when voters knew what was going on, but now there is pop politics. Anything mass marketing and media touches, can be altered and dumbed down beyond recognition, even games. You could call them pop games or maybe EA games?
None of the original things is dead yet, there are good new games, some good new movies and music, even some good politicians but the sad thing is you may have hard time finding them under all the crap. Unless you still enjoy pop life, in which case you would not call any of that crap.

So here is the dilemma, what will young Obama supporters do if it turns out he won't deliver? Will they be tricked by the apologists, and if not then what? Will they stay in the game so to speak and pressure Obama and/or join third party efforts next time, or will they become cynics. Because that is what usually happens to many people who wake up after their first experience with a "hope and change" campaign, they become cynics who don't participate in any way.

This video made laugh, it's related and from earlier this year.

Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 30 2008 22:03 GMT
#1291
On October 31 2008 04:22 Jibba wrote:
Bill Clinton signed my dress.


Left his mark on it huh?
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
October 30 2008 22:08 GMT
#1292
On October 31 2008 06:58 Yourbike wrote:
There used to be music, but now there is pop music. There used to be movies, but now they are pop movies. Same goes for politics there was a time when voters knew what was going on, but now there is pop politics. Anything mass marketing and media touches, can be altered and dumbed down beyond recognition, even games. You could call them pop games or maybe EA games?
None of the original things is dead yet, there are good new games, some good new movies and music, even some good politicians but the sad thing is you may have hard time finding them under all the crap. Unless you still enjoy pop life, in which case you would not call any of that crap.

So here is the dilemma, what will young Obama supporters do if it turns out he won't deliver? Will they be tricked by the apologists, and if not then what? Will they stay in the game so to speak and pressure Obama and/or join third party efforts next time, or will they become cynics. Because that is what usually happens to many people who wake up after their first experience with a "hope and change" campaign, they become cynics who don't participate in any way.

This video made laugh, it's related and from earlier this year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH9SbwSQCk4




I disagree that there was a time when the voters knew what was going on, its always been this way, just more media outlets.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 30 2008 22:10 GMT
#1293
On October 31 2008 06:58 Yourbike wrote:

So here is the dilemma, what will young Obama supporters do if it turns out he won't deliver? Will they be tricked by the apologists, and if not then what? Will they stay in the game so to speak and pressure Obama and/or join third party efforts next time, or will they become cynics. Because that is what usually happens to many people who wake up after their first experience with a "hope and change" campaign, they become cynics who don't participate in any way.



They'll become cynics and then I will laugh at them. Then Republican will start acting conservative again and take back control of the government! hehe.

What if Obama becomes Jimmy Carter?

Would that mean there is a Ronald Reagan just around the corner?
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Yourbike
Profile Joined October 2008
Finland9 Posts
October 30 2008 22:11 GMT
#1294
I should have said knew better than they know now. Things have gone downhill.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
October 30 2008 22:13 GMT
#1295
On October 31 2008 06:43 oneofthem wrote:
lol where do you go. i doubt the educational value of a mccain encounter anyway, same with an obama encounter.


Heidelberg College in Tiffin, Ohio~
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
October 30 2008 22:15 GMT
#1296
On October 31 2008 07:10 Savio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2008 06:58 Yourbike wrote:

So here is the dilemma, what will young Obama supporters do if it turns out he won't deliver? Will they be tricked by the apologists, and if not then what? Will they stay in the game so to speak and pressure Obama and/or join third party efforts next time, or will they become cynics. Because that is what usually happens to many people who wake up after their first experience with a "hope and change" campaign, they become cynics who don't participate in any way.



They'll become cynics and then I will laugh at them. Then Republican will start acting conservative again and take back control of the government! hehe.

What if Obama becomes Jimmy Carter?

Would that mean there is a Ronald Reagan just around the corner?


Another Ronald Reagan? wtf, we just had 8 years of Reaganesque suck
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-30 23:21:24
October 30 2008 22:33 GMT
#1297
On October 31 2008 01:50 Jibba wrote:
This is such a fucking stupid argument. The poles of 'left' and 'right' are simply used for simplicity's sake, neither are accurate because there's so many different issues to account for. Quit wasting time with that and start bitching with me that both candidates are going to keep Gates as Defense Secretary.



LOL.. at least someone is keeping tabs on reality. When intelligence subordinates itself to policy, it becomes in the least of cases - useless, and the worse cases - harmful. It is a very worrisome sign that Obama is thinking of keeping Gates, we might just not see too much change when all is said and done..
"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Physician *
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4146 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-30 23:39:33
October 30 2008 23:13 GMT
#1298
On October 30 2008 13:59 Savio wrote:I don't know about this guy, but my own personal view of left vs. right is a comparison of the size and role of government. Anything that makes the government larger or more powerful is left and anything that makes it small is right.
So communism, socialism, liberalism, nazism--they all have a powerful state (I'm talking reality rather than the "theoretical ideal" which we have never and will never see"). As you go to the right, you have conservatism, then libertarianism and finally anarchy.

So America is farther to the right than Europe because by and large we have LESS government regulation, LESS government expenditures, LOWER taxes etc. Europe has a view of a more active role of government in the economy, health care, education, and everything else (these are generalities here--I'm not citing specific countries).

Now, this is not the definition that political scientists use, but this is how I view it. I think Hitler was as far to the left as Stalin was and as far as Saddam was. Neither extreme is good...but I am glad I am a "right thinker". We don't need more government controlling us.



There are African tribes that have absolutely no form of government, pay no taxes and yet they live as far to the left as you dare imagine in communal societies with no property rights etc.. And you don't have to go to Africa to find examples of nations with low size of government that lean towards the left.

Your definition is of course wrong. I do understand what you place more value on but it fills me with grief to see you misuse the term. If we all start inventing different definitions for every concept or word out there we might as well give up on the use of verbal language.



"I have beheld the births of negative-suns and borne witness to the entropy of entire realities...."
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
October 31 2008 00:13 GMT
#1299
On October 31 2008 07:15 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2008 07:10 Savio wrote:
On October 31 2008 06:58 Yourbike wrote:

So here is the dilemma, what will young Obama supporters do if it turns out he won't deliver? Will they be tricked by the apologists, and if not then what? Will they stay in the game so to speak and pressure Obama and/or join third party efforts next time, or will they become cynics. Because that is what usually happens to many people who wake up after their first experience with a "hope and change" campaign, they become cynics who don't participate in any way.



They'll become cynics and then I will laugh at them. Then Republican will start acting conservative again and take back control of the government! hehe.

What if Obama becomes Jimmy Carter?

Would that mean there is a Ronald Reagan just around the corner?


Another Ronald Reagan? wtf, we just had 8 years of Reaganesque suck


Actually, we have had 8 years of Republicans behaving like Democrats--fiscally at least. That is the problem.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-10-31 00:21:59
October 31 2008 00:18 GMT
#1300
Reagan was a plague for modern society. He satisfied the core values of a Christian minority, Palin style, but had a lot of damaging policies.

Not that I'm a utilitarian, but Reagan did little for the greater good.
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