EPTI think a trained Human could have a good chance to strangle a chimp.
If it is a 2000 lbs Kodiak bear, definitly no. And i dont think that a bear can really hurt an elephant.
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
I think a trained Human could have a good chance to strangle a chimp. If it is a 2000 lbs Kodiak bear, definitly no. And i dont think that a bear can really hurt an elephant. | ||
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suresh0t
United States295 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On May 28 2008 14:58 Bill307 wrote: I dunno how this topic got so big. This was probably discussed already, but anyway, I had a childhood friend in my neighbourhood whose father was... not exactly great, but he did teach me one thing. Supposedly, if you are attacked by a dog, you can kill/disable it by grabbing its two front paws and spreading its front legs apart. Assuming he was right (he seemed like the kind of person who might have done it or seen it done before), any person with sufficiently-strong arms should be able to do this if the dog grabs on to, say, one of his legs. Game over. I think it's true that dogs joints work differently in that regard (I don't think they have a lot of support in that area), but uh wouldn't this involve getting your face almost in line with their face? I sort of like my face sans-dogteeth  If you mean getting behind/on top of it, if we are in that position a choke seems easier :o | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On May 28 2008 11:53 [X]Ken_D wrote: That's just +1 in favor of the dog even if it is slight advantage or not. In fighting sports like martial arts, boxing, etc, we hunch downwards for strength and balance. Once a person is on the ground, they are pratically dead because people can't fight in that position. 4 legged animals are always that way and withstand more punishment. It's just an evolution of the body for survival. ![[image loading]](http://z.about.com/d/martialarts/1/5/t/6/horse.jpg) Horse stance, ie useless. ![[image loading]](http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/6042/susumu14mc1.jpg) Non-useless stance. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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well there is a show on animal planet called "animal face-off", where they take what they know about each animal and simulate a fight. according to wikipedia, when a brown bear fought a siberian tiger: 7 Siberian Tiger vs. Brown Bear Siberia Brown Bear The bear attempted to steal the cat's kill, but the the Siberian tiger tried to bite the bear's throat. It failed. Then, the tiger sank its claws into the brown bear. The bear slapped the tiger, broke the tiger's spine, and bit it's throat, ending the fight. | ||
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man
United States272 Posts
On May 28 2008 21:01 Boblion wrote: I think a trained Human could have a good chance to strangle a chimp. I don't want to derail the thread, but the average chimp is at least 5x as strong as a normal human, there is no way you could get it in a strangle hold. Also, their arms are much longer than ours, and when they attack, they go for the balls, face, and hands. A chimp will literally tear your balls off, bite your nose and fingers off, and tear off your ears. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
i mean their claws can get 6 inches long hell, they've found grizzlies with dozens of rifle bullets in their bodies and around their skulls(that fail to penetrate their skulls). they are that ridiculous and yeah chimps are ridiculous I read that gorillas have the strongest bite of any animal period, though I am not too sure how true that is, I have trouble believing it can bite harder than a big saltwater crocodile | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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Djabanete
United States2786 Posts
On May 29 2008 05:43 HelloWorld(OD) wrote: Jump on the dog and ride it like a horsey!! Most sensible post in the entire thread. | ||
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EGoldman
United States110 Posts
On May 29 2008 05:13 FrozenArbiter wrote: Horse stance, ie useless. Non-useless stance. Horse stance is to build leg strength and because it's a transitional stance. It's a base stance that shifts into others. The other stance, meanwhile, is pure trash. Boxers are among the worst fighters compared to other martial arts. The least angles of attack of nearly any style. If you want to see horse stance in action, go get some clips of Jet Li | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On May 29 2008 05:29 man wrote: I don't want to derail the thread, but the average chimp is at least 5x as strong as a normal human, there is no way you could get it in a strangle hold. Also, their arms are much longer than ours, and when they attack, they go for the balls, face, and hands. A chimp will literally tear your balls off, bite your nose and fingers off, and tear off your ears. I dunno, I'm still betting on Fedor 8D ![[image loading]](http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7899/080101p18tappingrk1.jpg) | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
On May 29 2008 06:11 EGoldman wrote: Horse stance is to build leg strength and because it's a transitional stance. It's a base stance that shifts into others. The other stance, meanwhile, is pure trash. Boxers are among the worst fighters compared to other martial arts. The least angles of attack of nearly any style. If you want to see horse stance in action, go get some clips of Jet Li And why don't you go watch the earliest UFCs if you want to see how well all the traditional martial artists did? Also, that's not boxing, it's mixed martial arts. Jet Li is an actor with brilliant wushu skills, but it's all for show. If you're going to be offended by me saying any good MMartist would beat him, I can dig up an interview where he says so himself. I think he's really good at what he does and I used to really like his movies but telling me to watch Jet Li clips when talking about fighting is dumb. On May 29 2008 06:17 ilj.psa wrote: human can't kill a 160 chimp now THATS ridiculous, you can't kill a dog unless you miracously got him in a headlock which is "so easy", pisses me off, i'd like to see any of you fight a fucking dog. If you got him in a headlock he will bite the fuck out of your arms, and you woudlnt be able to do your "deadly" headlock I'm gonna continue to remain pretty neutral on this as I really dunno (having never had to fight a dog, I'm happy to say) but if you do get a choke hold on a dog it wont be able to bite your arm as it will be around its neck. Might still be able to bite your side tho. And regardless, nasty bitewounds doesn't matter if the dog is choked out, you still win. | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
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Chuiu
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On May 29 2008 05:24 travis wrote: well there is a show on animal planet called "animal face-off", where they take what they know about each animal and simulate a fight. according to wikipedia, when a brown bear fought a siberian tiger: 7 Siberian Tiger vs. Brown Bear Siberia Brown Bear The bear attempted to steal the cat's kill, but the the Siberian tiger tried to bite the bear's throat. It failed. Then, the tiger sank its claws into the brown bear. The bear slapped the tiger, broke the tiger's spine, and bit it's throat, ending the fight. Replay or it didn't happen. + Show Spoiler + Seriously thought if you can find a video of that fight ... I would pay to see it. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
A blood choke takes 5-10~seconds before you're out, you don't need to hold it very long. I have no idea how well it works on a dog tho, just saying. Also don't know if it's the first thing I would really try. | ||
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CubEdIn
Romania5359 Posts
On May 29 2008 06:19 FrozenArbiter wrote: And why don't you go watch the earliest UFCs if you want to see how well all the traditional martial artists did? Also, that's not boxing, it's mixed martial arts. Jet Li is an actor with brilliant wushu skills, but it's all for show. If you're going to be offended by me saying any good MMartist would beat him, I can dig up an interview where he says so himself. I think he's really good at what he does and I used to really like his movies but telling me to watch Jet Li clips when talking about fighting is dumb. I'm gonna continue to remain pretty neutral on this as I really dunno (having never had to fight a dog, I'm happy to say) but if you do get a choke hold on a dog it wont be able to bite your arm as it will be around its neck. Might still be able to bite your side tho. And regardless, nasty bitewounds doesn't matter if the dog is choked out, you still win. I've read an article where Jet Li said that "most big guys around here" could probably take him, referring to average people (untrained) with maybe above average stature (as he is not too tall himself). But I think he's just being humble. I mean the guy has what? 5 Gold medals in wushu? I'm not saying he could take a professional fighter 2-3x his weight, but I'm pretty sure he can put up a fight vs people of his own caliber. Speed and agility has to count for something. | ||
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33723 Posts
But yes, I'm sure vs the average person he'd do fine | ||
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GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
I was going to say anybody saying "traditional" martial arts are superior in some fashion need to watch UFC. THose guys are the best fighters on the planet, and it goes to show that fancy kung-fu doesn't compare to ridiculous amounts of conditioning. Being a Judo blackbelt also helps  Man doesn't have a chance against a chimp. Their upper body strength is far superior to a human, and they know how to kill fellow apes. UFC fighter vs Chimp. Now that's a good fight! Seriously though, how is this topic still alive? | ||
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