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Sent.
Poland9300 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11856 Posts
On December 04 2024 01:53 Salazarz wrote: The president was basically on borrowed time, he's already used veto powers more than all previous SK presidents combined for all sorts of stupid reasons including proposals to investigate corruption of his inner circle etc. He also went on a pretty ridiculous rant about liberals and communist NK sympathizers trying to destroy our country in the TV address he made when declaring martial law -- maybe a desperate last ditch attempt to rally what little conservative support he had or something? -- anyway, military made a token effort in keeping the national congress building closed but this was realistically never going to amount to much. He'll probably be in jail before Christmas, which will make a nice New Years present for everyone because he's an incompetent corrupt asshole. As for the comment about America making everything worse... honestly, I think there's at least some truth to that. I don't think it's a coincide that our politics are steadily degenerating into stupid us vs them between the two major parties at a time when the US dems vs reps tensions are the highest they've ever been; a lot of Koreans look up to Americans and imitate them, knowingly or otherwise. A lot of current popular issues are basically echoes of bullshit that's happening in the US, too, stuff that was never a real problem in Korea until recently. For me, the economic situation in the country is a bigger concern than the clown that's currently in charge, at any rate. Our currency is dropping precariously at a time when overall economy is shaky as it is; inflation was and still is an issue but at the same time real estate is in a huge bubble with half the country leveraged up to their eyeballs, not only residential but also super expensive fancy conglomerate towers are at risk; one of the biggest corporations recently put up their pride and joy HQ building as collateral for their loans which is a huge alarm bell in its own right, banks are basically rejecting loans for all but the 'safest' of property purchases, meanwhile Samsung and LG profits are shit but they're like half our economy so the budget deficits just keep growing. It's not pretty, and nobody has any real solutions in mind. Thanks a lot for the information and insight! I am not sure that i would blame americans directly, though. That whole stupidity seems to be a thing that moves across all the world currently. My personal pet theory is that we are just all really, really bad at dealing with social media. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On December 04 2024 02:08 Simberto wrote: Thanks a lot for the information and insight! I am not sure that i would blame americans directly, though. That whole stupidity seems to be a thing that moves across all the world currently. My personal pet theory is that we are just all really, really bad at dealing with social media. I don't blame Americans directly, that would be silly -- but as the world's leading superpower, it's only natural that their influence through 'soft power' affects a lot more than just what movies people watch or what brand jeans people wear. And yeah, social media and online echochambers are definitely to blame also. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14136 Posts
The police and military were all on standby but were clearly not informed about what was going on and just stood around while the coup failed, then walked out and went back home. No core of supporters no support from the military, did he even plan this before tonight? | ||
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Mikau313
Netherlands230 Posts
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Locutos
Brazil273 Posts
On December 04 2024 01:53 Salazarz wrote: The president was basically on borrowed time, he's already used veto powers more than all previous SK presidents combined for all sorts of stupid reasons including proposals to investigate corruption of his inner circle etc. He also went on a pretty ridiculous rant about liberals and communist NK sympathizers trying to destroy our country in the TV address he made when declaring martial law -- maybe a desperate last ditch attempt to rally what little conservative support he had or something? -- anyway, military made a token effort in keeping the national congress building closed but this was realistically never going to amount to much. He'll probably be in jail before Christmas, which will make a nice New Years present for everyone because he's an incompetent corrupt asshole. As for the comment about America making everything worse... honestly, I think there's at least some truth to that. I don't think it's a coincide that our politics are steadily degenerating into stupid us vs them between the two major parties at a time when the US dems vs reps tensions are the highest they've ever been; a lot of Koreans look up to Americans and imitate them, knowingly or otherwise. A lot of current popular issues are basically echoes of bullshit that's happening in the US, too, stuff that was never a real problem in Korea until recently. For me, the economic situation in the country is a bigger concern than the clown that's currently in charge, at any rate. Our currency is dropping precariously at a time when overall economy is shaky as it is; inflation was and still is an issue but at the same time real estate is in a huge bubble with half the country leveraged up to their eyeballs, not only residential but also super expensive fancy conglomerate towers are at risk; one of the biggest corporations recently put up their pride and joy HQ building as collateral for their loans which is a huge alarm bell in its own right, banks are basically rejecting loans for all but the 'safest' of property purchases, meanwhile Samsung and LG profits are shit but they're like half our economy so the budget deficits just keep growing. It's not pretty, and nobody has any real solutions in mind. I dont think its a US mirror effect. I think it's more a Social media effect. Before social media, people used to drink on practically the same sources of knowledge, or at least, they had a lot of common sources, even when they defended ideological opposite stances. After social media though, people have been looking to the world through completely different lenses, simply because their algoritms direct them so. And more people have become "politically active", since the information bridge has become shorter. Thats why i think that political struggles have become more vicious and volatile, internally, in so many countries. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
Comfortable, happy people dont support the drastic uprooting of their society in the way we see happening lately lol | ||
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oBlade
United States6161 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11856 Posts
On December 04 2024 03:37 Biff The Understudy wrote: So, I mean, it’s a coup, with the support of the military, right? Is this actually clear at the moment (the "support of the military" thing)? Or was it just one guy strongly misjudging the situation? | ||
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oBlade
United States6161 Posts
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
edit: the act of declaring a martial law in itself is not illegal, but it's supposed to be done at a time of a national emergency which this simply is not. He's also refusing to comply with the unanimous decision by the National Assembly to end the martial law, not to mention all the corruption charges and pending investigations into himself and his minions. He's done for either way, this is just some ridiculous hail mary on the way out. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8086 Posts
On December 04 2024 03:48 Simberto wrote: Is this actually clear at the moment (the "support of the military" thing)? Or was it just one guy strongly misjudging the situation? Seems like a very severe constitutional crisis where the army is actually deciding on who is right and sides with the president obviously misusing a tool of absolute national emergency for his own gain. That very, very much starts to look like a coup. Democracy suspended by force. On December 04 2024 03:54 Salazarz wrote: @ oBlade: there are no covert arrests and no commandeering of media offices, lol. This whole 'coup' is a joke, the president doesn't have the support of anyone outside of some cronies he has personally appointed; he has 'support' of the military insofar as the minister of defense and a bunch of ranking generals are his pals, his popularity with actual boots on the ground is non-existent. Dudes went out to do the lockdowns and such because their bosses told them to, and even then, there were several hundred supposedly armed soldiers holding the National Assembly building on lockdown and the congressmen just shouldered their way past them. If there's a single civilian seriously injured nvm killed by the military in this mess, you can be sure the president's residence will cease to exist within the next 24 hours. There's millions of people in this country who were around when the last military dictatorship was in power, the people will absolutely not stand for a new dictator, especially not a useless dickwad like Yoon. The guy had like 15% approval rating before this order, in a country with a conscripted military that will not get you far. edit: the act of declaring a martial law in itself is not illegal, but it's supposed to be done at a time of a national emergency which this simply is not. He's also refusing to comply with the unanimous decision by the National Assembly to end the martial law, not to mention all the corruption charges and pending investigations into himself and his minions. He's done for either way, this is just some ridiculous hail mary on the way out. We are not saying it’s a particularly great coup attempt not that it will succeed, just that it does very luch look like a coup attempt. | ||
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oBlade
United States6161 Posts
On December 04 2024 03:56 Biff The Understudy wrote: We are not saying it’s a particularly great coup attempt not that it will succeed, just that it does very luch look like a coup attempt. You can be saying that but apparently I need to divest myself further from the "we," this is a situation that could become a coup attempt of various sorts but so far has been a huff and a counterpuff. | ||
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Salazarz
Korea (South)2591 Posts
On December 04 2024 03:57 oBlade wrote: There are none that you know of but we also aren't with the luxury of personally taking a second by second roll call of thousands of journalists and politicians and marking them all Facebook safe, was my only point. Every major broadcaster in Korea is covering this. If there were secret arrests and media office lockdowns going on, we'd know already. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
Apparently the vote turned out 190-0 against the state of emergency lol. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6277 Posts
A self-coup, also called an autocoup (from Spanish autogolpe) or coup from the top, is a form of coup d'état in which a political leader, having come to power through legal means, stays in power through illegal means through the actions of themselves and/or their supporters.[1] The leader may dissolve or render powerless the national legislature and unlawfully assume extraordinary powers. Other measures may include annulling the nation's constitution, suspending civil courts, and having the head of government assume dictatorial powers.[2][3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-coup | ||
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hitthat
Poland2342 Posts
Good. I am tired of irresponsible world leaders. | ||
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crbox
Canada1180 Posts
Boy was I wrong! | ||
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Billyboy
1747 Posts
On December 04 2024 06:41 crbox wrote: I saw a youtube video about this so I thought I'd check on TL if anyone had any non-biased information. Boy was I wrong! Could you share your youtube link? I love to find new sources of unbiased information. | ||
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