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On January 09 2025 01:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
Incredible that Musk accuses Jess Philips of being pro-rape while demanding that our government takes action that would be doing child rapists an absolutely massive favour.
He should probably stay out of things he doesn't have a fucking clue about.
Like the UK for example.
Not sure what Musk has said about Jess Philips but his latest out comings have been... well not really good imo.
I definitely agree that he should probably stay out of things he doesn't have a fucking clue about.
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On January 11 2025 08:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2025 01:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
Incredible that Musk accuses Jess Philips of being pro-rape while demanding that our government takes action that would be doing child rapists an absolutely massive favour.
He should probably stay out of things he doesn't have a fucking clue about.
Like the UK for example. Not sure what Musk has said about Jess Philips but his latest out comings have been... well not really good imo. I definitely agree that he should probably stay out of things he doesn't have a fucking clue about.
Of late he’s moving beyond clueless nonsense into saying things that aren’t just incorrect but actively dangerous IMO.
I’d recommend doing a bit of Googling around some of the UK-specific, or some of his interjections in German politics that folks have mentioned here to see whether you think that assessment is fair or not.
I have very little love for Keir Starmer as my post history attests to but he’s one of many increasingly being outright smeared by the guy to millions.
The whole problem with the British child grooming scandals was that local authorities covered it up/didn’t investigate thoroughly. So it never reached the likes of Starmer, who was head of the Crown Prosecution Service at the time. Basically the equivalent of the head of criminal prosecution services in various locales.
If Starmer himself had directed the CPS to bury things, then yeah 100% it’s absolutely something he should be called out for, and should be a career killer, indeed I’d argue he’d merit criminal prosecution.
But as it actually stands Musk is accusing him and others of covering up child sex abuse when it never landed on their doorstep because of localised failures.
What harm could possibly come from erroneously amplifying a charge that prominent public figures actively covered up child abuse from a gigantic public platform?
It’s grossly irresponsible at best, at worst actively malicious behaviour and it’s increasingly not atypical or outlying either.
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Is it so that this Jess Philips was covering for some child abuse or (i have genuinely no idea who is Jess Philips)?
You don't need to persuade me for this, i have come to light. :D
In other news i have been thinking now that Trump's second term is coming closer ans closer, Musk has been more aggressive with his.... idk whatever he wants...
Sure he and Trump can't "change the world", and we don't know it it's just talk or whatever, but yeah i also find it disturbing.
EDIT: I say i was pro Trump (not really pro Trump but against Biden, Biden and Harris more than "yeah Trump") on my part, not that i can decide anything on it. I thought Trump could do good things (economically) for USA 2016-2020, and i think he did. Now it looks like ?????? Has he gone even more bonkers than before??
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On January 11 2025 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is it so that this Jess Philips was covering for some child abuse or (i have genuinely no idea who is Jess Philips)?
You don't need to persuade me for this, i have come to light. :D
In other news i have been thinking now that Trump's second term is coming closer ans closer, Musk has been more aggressive with his.... idk whatever he wants...
Sure he and Trump can't "change the world", and we don't know it it's just talk or whatever, but yeah i also find it disturbing.
EDIT: I say i was pro Trump (not really pro Trump but against Biden, Biden and Harris more than "yeah Trump") on my part, not that i can decide anything on it. I thought Trump could do good things (economically) for USA 2016-2020, and i think he did. Now it looks like ?????? Has he gone even more bonkers than before??
You might think he did but objectively Trump did not help the economy.
He cut taxes and increased spending for the largest increase in debt of any president since WW2. This was after promising to not only run a balanced budget but also to actually repay the entire government debt in a single term. Instead he did more than any president before to increase it. You can make any economy look good if you flood it with government stimulus funded by debt but it’s a mirage.
He pressured the Fed into reckless quantitive easing that every economist at the time said would surely overheat the economy and cause high inflation. There’s only so much demand stimulus an economy can take and in 2019 there was no reason for stimulus. Trump conflated stock market valuations with the wider economic health and by reducing the purchasing power of a dollar he could make the same company appear to be worth more dollars. Line goes up but no value was created. You’ll note that the inflation that everyone said Trump was causing happened (but somehow led to voters demanding more Trump because they don’t like inflation).
He started a series of bizarre trade wars over the incorrect idea that a balance of trade deficit was a check that the government wrote and mailed to China annually. He wanted to not pay it. His strategy was questionable such as attempting to leverage soybean sales after the farmers had already planted the crops. When China ended up not buying the soybeans the farmers needed to be bailed out by the government for billions. The whole idea of the trade wars was based on the debunked economic theory of mercantilism, not that Trump knows what that is.
My recollection of the analysis on jobs brought back to the US due to Trump vs taxpayer bailouts and subsidies spent bringing them back ended up being millions per job. These were touted as wins because Republicans don’t care about government deficits.
Job losses continued unabated in declining industries that Trump promised to save like coal.
People had to start baking their own bread.
The nation ran out of toilet paper.
Trump resorted to just mailing people checks from the government, though he did hold them up because the first batch didn’t have his signature on them and he wanted the voters to see his signature and think the money was coming from him.
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Trump is just making it up as he goes, I am dead certain that when he woke up on the day where he said he wanted to annex Greenland, he had no idea that he was going to say that. All signs point to things getting much, much worse, mainly for Americans but for the rest of the world too obviously.
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On January 11 2025 10:17 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2025 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is it so that this Jess Philips was covering for some child abuse or (i have genuinely no idea who is Jess Philips)?
You don't need to persuade me for this, i have come to light. :D
In other news i have been thinking now that Trump's second term is coming closer ans closer, Musk has been more aggressive with his.... idk whatever he wants...
Sure he and Trump can't "change the world", and we don't know it it's just talk or whatever, but yeah i also find it disturbing.
EDIT: I say i was pro Trump (not really pro Trump but against Biden, Biden and Harris more than "yeah Trump") on my part, not that i can decide anything on it. I thought Trump could do good things (economically) for USA 2016-2020, and i think he did. Now it looks like ?????? Has he gone even more bonkers than before?? You might think he did but objectively Trump did not help the economy. He cut taxes and increased spending for the largest increase in debt of any president since WW2. This was after promising to not only run a balanced budget but also to actually repay the entire government debt in a single term. Instead he did more than any president before to increase it. You can make any economy look good if you flood it with government stimulus funded by debt but it’s a mirage. He pressured the Fed into reckless quantitive easing that every economist at the time said would surely overheat the economy and cause high inflation. There’s only so much demand stimulus an economy can take and in 2019 there was no reason for stimulus. Trump conflated stock market valuations with the wider economic health and by reducing the purchasing power of a dollar he could make the same company appear to be worth more dollars. Line goes up but no value was created. You’ll note that the inflation that everyone said Trump was causing happened (but somehow led to voters demanding more Trump because they don’t like inflation). He started a series of bizarre trade wars over the incorrect idea that a balance of trade deficit was a check that the government wrote and mailed to China annually. He wanted to not pay it. His strategy was questionable such as attempting to leverage soybean sales after the farmers had already planted the crops. When China ended up not buying the soybeans the farmers needed to be bailed out by the government for billions. The whole idea of the trade wars was based on the debunked economic theory of mercantilism, not that Trump knows what that is. My recollection of the analysis on jobs brought back to the US due to Trump vs taxpayer bailouts and subsidies spent bringing them back ended up being millions per job. These were touted as wins because Republicans don’t care about government deficits. Job losses continued unabated in declining industries that Trump promised to save like coal. People had to start baking their own bread. The nation ran out of toilet paper. Trump resorted to just mailing people checks from the government, though he did hold them up because the first batch didn’t have his signature on them and he wanted the voters to see his signature and think the money was coming from him.
Okay, i am not claiming i am right, i just looked at the numbers.
It looked like the numbers that "matter to me (i guess)" he went big on.
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So is US or the world now in a better place, with or without Musk (and Trump)?
How and why?
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On January 11 2025 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So is US or the world now in a better place, with or without Musk (and Trump)?
How and why?
That is a very hard question to answer with certainty because you need to know if Trump and Musk are symptoms or the cause. You also have to know who their replacements would be. They are both doing lots of damage but there are also worse people. For example Musk has made EV's cool in general and more specifically to a group that hated them, theoretically he could do this with other stuff. On the other hand he's Rockefeller rich with all the ambition and now has the only government that could really stop him under his thumb. With Trump he's completely self interested, but I don't think has any objectively evil goals, he just has a self interest price on everything and is not very smart, organized or hardworking. Someone similar to him but smart, organized and hardworking could do 100x the damage.
But it is clear neither are good for people or the planet overall, the answer to your question just comes down to if the alternative is worse.
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On January 11 2025 11:27 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2025 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So is US or the world now in a better place, with or without Musk (and Trump)?
How and why? That is a very hard question to answer with certainty because you need to know if Trump and Musk are symptoms or the cause. You also have to know who their replacements would be. They are both doing lots of damage but there are also worse people. For example Musk has made EV's cool in general and more specifically to a group that hated them, theoretically he could do this with other stuff. On the other hand he's Rockefeller rich with all the ambition and now has the only government that could really stop him under his thumb. With Trump he's completely self interested, but I don't think has any objectively evil goals, he just has a self interest price on everything and is not very smart, organized or hardworking. Someone similar to him but smart, organized and hardworking could do 100x the damage. But it is clear neither are good for people or the planet overall, the answer to your question just comes down to if the alternative is worse.
I agree they are not good people, either of them, but like...
If it was the alternate, would it be better or worse?
haha you posed the same question in the end 
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On January 11 2025 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So is US or the world now in a better place, with or without Musk (and Trump)?
How and why?
Without. It’s self evident.
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On January 11 2025 11:40 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2025 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So is US or the world now in a better place, with or without Musk (and Trump)?
How and why? Without. It’s self evident.
Okay, is there any proof rather than "what is going to happen"?
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On January 11 2025 11:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2025 11:27 Billyboy wrote:On January 11 2025 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So is US or the world now in a better place, with or without Musk (and Trump)?
How and why? That is a very hard question to answer with certainty because you need to know if Trump and Musk are symptoms or the cause. You also have to know who their replacements would be. They are both doing lots of damage but there are also worse people. For example Musk has made EV's cool in general and more specifically to a group that hated them, theoretically he could do this with other stuff. On the other hand he's Rockefeller rich with all the ambition and now has the only government that could really stop him under his thumb. With Trump he's completely self interested, but I don't think has any objectively evil goals, he just has a self interest price on everything and is not very smart, organized or hardworking. Someone similar to him but smart, organized and hardworking could do 100x the damage. But it is clear neither are good for people or the planet overall, the answer to your question just comes down to if the alternative is worse. I agree they are not good people, either of them, but like... If it was the alternate, would it be better or worse? haha you posed the same question in the end
There are specific things that would be much better. For example I doubt Idaho would be asking the supreme court to make gay marriage a state issue if Harris had won.
But also, if Harris had won it's unlikely that anything would have changed and the next guy after Trump would have been just as bad, and it's pretty much impossible to win every election in a two party system; so odds are we would eventually have gotten to the same point anyway.
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On January 11 2025 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2025 10:17 KwarK wrote:On January 11 2025 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is it so that this Jess Philips was covering for some child abuse or (i have genuinely no idea who is Jess Philips)?
You don't need to persuade me for this, i have come to light. :D
In other news i have been thinking now that Trump's second term is coming closer ans closer, Musk has been more aggressive with his.... idk whatever he wants...
Sure he and Trump can't "change the world", and we don't know it it's just talk or whatever, but yeah i also find it disturbing.
EDIT: I say i was pro Trump (not really pro Trump but against Biden, Biden and Harris more than "yeah Trump") on my part, not that i can decide anything on it. I thought Trump could do good things (economically) for USA 2016-2020, and i think he did. Now it looks like ?????? Has he gone even more bonkers than before?? You might think he did but objectively Trump did not help the economy. He cut taxes and increased spending for the largest increase in debt of any president since WW2. This was after promising to not only run a balanced budget but also to actually repay the entire government debt in a single term. Instead he did more than any president before to increase it. You can make any economy look good if you flood it with government stimulus funded by debt but it’s a mirage. He pressured the Fed into reckless quantitive easing that every economist at the time said would surely overheat the economy and cause high inflation. There’s only so much demand stimulus an economy can take and in 2019 there was no reason for stimulus. Trump conflated stock market valuations with the wider economic health and by reducing the purchasing power of a dollar he could make the same company appear to be worth more dollars. Line goes up but no value was created. You’ll note that the inflation that everyone said Trump was causing happened (but somehow led to voters demanding more Trump because they don’t like inflation). He started a series of bizarre trade wars over the incorrect idea that a balance of trade deficit was a check that the government wrote and mailed to China annually. He wanted to not pay it. His strategy was questionable such as attempting to leverage soybean sales after the farmers had already planted the crops. When China ended up not buying the soybeans the farmers needed to be bailed out by the government for billions. The whole idea of the trade wars was based on the debunked economic theory of mercantilism, not that Trump knows what that is. My recollection of the analysis on jobs brought back to the US due to Trump vs taxpayer bailouts and subsidies spent bringing them back ended up being millions per job. These were touted as wins because Republicans don’t care about government deficits. Job losses continued unabated in declining industries that Trump promised to save like coal. People had to start baking their own bread. The nation ran out of toilet paper. Trump resorted to just mailing people checks from the government, though he did hold them up because the first batch didn’t have his signature on them and he wanted the voters to see his signature and think the money was coming from him. Okay, i am not claiming i am right, i just looked at the numbers. It looked like the numbers that "matter to me (i guess)" he went big on.
National debt increased $7,800,000,000,000. It certainly is a biglig number. There are approximately 132,000,000 households in the US so that works out at Trump borrowing and spending about $59,000 on behalf of each of them. So in addition to spending all of the taxes they paid during his four years in office his administration spent another $59,000 that the household will have to repay eventually.
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On January 11 2025 11:42 Nebuchad wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2025 11:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 11 2025 11:27 Billyboy wrote:On January 11 2025 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So is US or the world now in a better place, with or without Musk (and Trump)?
How and why? That is a very hard question to answer with certainty because you need to know if Trump and Musk are symptoms or the cause. You also have to know who their replacements would be. They are both doing lots of damage but there are also worse people. For example Musk has made EV's cool in general and more specifically to a group that hated them, theoretically he could do this with other stuff. On the other hand he's Rockefeller rich with all the ambition and now has the only government that could really stop him under his thumb. With Trump he's completely self interested, but I don't think has any objectively evil goals, he just has a self interest price on everything and is not very smart, organized or hardworking. Someone similar to him but smart, organized and hardworking could do 100x the damage. But it is clear neither are good for people or the planet overall, the answer to your question just comes down to if the alternative is worse. I agree they are not good people, either of them, but like... If it was the alternate, would it be better or worse? haha you posed the same question in the end There are specific things that would be much better. For example I doubt Idaho would be asking the supreme court to make gay marriage a state issue if Harris had won. But also, if Harris had won it's unlikely that anything would have changed and the next guy after Trump would have been just as bad, and it's pretty much impossible to win every election in a two party system; so odds are we would eventually have gotten to the same point anyway.
Those things are really shitty imo.
Gay marriage, who the fuck should care, why would you not allow two ppl to get married if they want to, no matter gender?!?!?!?!
why? so stupid. no matter who instated that,
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On January 11 2025 11:46 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2025 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 11 2025 10:17 KwarK wrote:On January 11 2025 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is it so that this Jess Philips was covering for some child abuse or (i have genuinely no idea who is Jess Philips)?
You don't need to persuade me for this, i have come to light. :D
In other news i have been thinking now that Trump's second term is coming closer ans closer, Musk has been more aggressive with his.... idk whatever he wants...
Sure he and Trump can't "change the world", and we don't know it it's just talk or whatever, but yeah i also find it disturbing.
EDIT: I say i was pro Trump (not really pro Trump but against Biden, Biden and Harris more than "yeah Trump") on my part, not that i can decide anything on it. I thought Trump could do good things (economically) for USA 2016-2020, and i think he did. Now it looks like ?????? Has he gone even more bonkers than before?? You might think he did but objectively Trump did not help the economy. He cut taxes and increased spending for the largest increase in debt of any president since WW2. This was after promising to not only run a balanced budget but also to actually repay the entire government debt in a single term. Instead he did more than any president before to increase it. You can make any economy look good if you flood it with government stimulus funded by debt but it’s a mirage. He pressured the Fed into reckless quantitive easing that every economist at the time said would surely overheat the economy and cause high inflation. There’s only so much demand stimulus an economy can take and in 2019 there was no reason for stimulus. Trump conflated stock market valuations with the wider economic health and by reducing the purchasing power of a dollar he could make the same company appear to be worth more dollars. Line goes up but no value was created. You’ll note that the inflation that everyone said Trump was causing happened (but somehow led to voters demanding more Trump because they don’t like inflation). He started a series of bizarre trade wars over the incorrect idea that a balance of trade deficit was a check that the government wrote and mailed to China annually. He wanted to not pay it. His strategy was questionable such as attempting to leverage soybean sales after the farmers had already planted the crops. When China ended up not buying the soybeans the farmers needed to be bailed out by the government for billions. The whole idea of the trade wars was based on the debunked economic theory of mercantilism, not that Trump knows what that is. My recollection of the analysis on jobs brought back to the US due to Trump vs taxpayer bailouts and subsidies spent bringing them back ended up being millions per job. These were touted as wins because Republicans don’t care about government deficits. Job losses continued unabated in declining industries that Trump promised to save like coal. People had to start baking their own bread. The nation ran out of toilet paper. Trump resorted to just mailing people checks from the government, though he did hold them up because the first batch didn’t have his signature on them and he wanted the voters to see his signature and think the money was coming from him. Okay, i am not claiming i am right, i just looked at the numbers. It looked like the numbers that "matter to me (i guess)" he went big on. National debt increased $7,800,000,000,000. It certainly is a biglig number. There are approximately 132,000,000 households in the US so that works out at Trump borrowing and spending about $59,000 on behalf of each of them. So on top of all the taxes they paid during his four years his administration spent another $59,000.
those numbers cant be right, other than the national debt.
if it was, socialist Finland was almost like..... America :O
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On January 11 2025 11:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2025 11:46 KwarK wrote:On January 11 2025 10:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:On January 11 2025 10:17 KwarK wrote:On January 11 2025 09:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Is it so that this Jess Philips was covering for some child abuse or (i have genuinely no idea who is Jess Philips)?
You don't need to persuade me for this, i have come to light. :D
In other news i have been thinking now that Trump's second term is coming closer ans closer, Musk has been more aggressive with his.... idk whatever he wants...
Sure he and Trump can't "change the world", and we don't know it it's just talk or whatever, but yeah i also find it disturbing.
EDIT: I say i was pro Trump (not really pro Trump but against Biden, Biden and Harris more than "yeah Trump") on my part, not that i can decide anything on it. I thought Trump could do good things (economically) for USA 2016-2020, and i think he did. Now it looks like ?????? Has he gone even more bonkers than before?? You might think he did but objectively Trump did not help the economy. He cut taxes and increased spending for the largest increase in debt of any president since WW2. This was after promising to not only run a balanced budget but also to actually repay the entire government debt in a single term. Instead he did more than any president before to increase it. You can make any economy look good if you flood it with government stimulus funded by debt but it’s a mirage. He pressured the Fed into reckless quantitive easing that every economist at the time said would surely overheat the economy and cause high inflation. There’s only so much demand stimulus an economy can take and in 2019 there was no reason for stimulus. Trump conflated stock market valuations with the wider economic health and by reducing the purchasing power of a dollar he could make the same company appear to be worth more dollars. Line goes up but no value was created. You’ll note that the inflation that everyone said Trump was causing happened (but somehow led to voters demanding more Trump because they don’t like inflation). He started a series of bizarre trade wars over the incorrect idea that a balance of trade deficit was a check that the government wrote and mailed to China annually. He wanted to not pay it. His strategy was questionable such as attempting to leverage soybean sales after the farmers had already planted the crops. When China ended up not buying the soybeans the farmers needed to be bailed out by the government for billions. The whole idea of the trade wars was based on the debunked economic theory of mercantilism, not that Trump knows what that is. My recollection of the analysis on jobs brought back to the US due to Trump vs taxpayer bailouts and subsidies spent bringing them back ended up being millions per job. These were touted as wins because Republicans don’t care about government deficits. Job losses continued unabated in declining industries that Trump promised to save like coal. People had to start baking their own bread. The nation ran out of toilet paper. Trump resorted to just mailing people checks from the government, though he did hold them up because the first batch didn’t have his signature on them and he wanted the voters to see his signature and think the money was coming from him. Okay, i am not claiming i am right, i just looked at the numbers. It looked like the numbers that "matter to me (i guess)" he went big on. National debt increased $7,800,000,000,000. It certainly is a biglig number. There are approximately 132,000,000 households in the US so that works out at Trump borrowing and spending about $59,000 on behalf of each of them. So on top of all the taxes they paid during his four years his administration spent another $59,000. those numbers cant be right, other than the national debt. if it was, socialist Finland was almost like..... America :O
Numbers are right. And it wasn’t spent on investments that eventually pay for themselves like infrastructure projects etc., a large chunk of the deficit was simply Trump rewarding large shareholders by cutting corporate taxes enabling corporations to inflate their stocks with buybacks.
Great if you’re a billionaire but the average working family would have preferred the company pay taxes on their profits. After all, the government still spent the money, if they don’t collect taxes from the company and the company passes those savings on to Bill Gates then the regular taxpayer is going to pick up the bill eventually.
A lot of conservatives seem to confuse national economics with household economics and insist that they’re basically the same. But those same conservatives can’t seem to understand that if your pay doesn’t change then suddenly having more money at the end of the month and new furniture, a new car, new appliances etc. is not a good sign. It doesn’t imply that 1+1=3 now, it implies that you’ve gone horribly into debt during an insane manic episode.
They’ll look at those things and say, just as you said, that by the metrics they’re looking at they’ve clearly gotten more prosperous under Trump. Their car is newer, their appliances shinier, their iPhone phonier. All metrics looking great.
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On January 11 2025 11:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On January 11 2025 11:40 KwarK wrote:On January 11 2025 10:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So is US or the world now in a better place, with or without Musk (and Trump)?
How and why? Without. It’s self evident. Okay, is there any proof rather than "what is going to happen"?
What would constitute proof here? Musk I mean you can make a case there’s overall good with the bad I guess, but Trump? What positives is he bringing to the table all round?
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If my evaluation of Elon Musk is correct, he loves himself so much that he believes he‘s the Ubermensch and jerks off in a cup each morning to drink his own jizz along with his morning coffee.
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On January 11 2025 14:40 Vivax wrote:
If my evaluation of Elon Musk is correct, he loves himself so much that he believes he‘s the Ubermensch and jerks off in a cup each morning to drink his own jizz along with his morning coffee.
Sounds accurate to me. I suggest posting that on X, the shining beacon of free speech. Make sure to tag him personally.
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Northern Ireland27071 Posts
On January 11 2025 14:40 Vivax wrote:
If my evaluation of Elon Musk is correct, he loves himself so much that he believes he‘s the Ubermensch and jerks off in a cup each morning to drink his own jizz along with his morning coffee.
Doesn’t he prefer to save it so he can father children he doesn’t raise?
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