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On August 18 2025 00:19 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2025 23:23 Billyboy wrote:On August 13 2025 05:53 zeo wrote:On August 13 2025 03:50 Excludos wrote:On August 13 2025 03:48 zeo wrote:The Donbass was never strategically important posts incoming. "Russia is doing better than ever and the economy is booming" posts incoming. I'm sure if you just throw a few more hundred thousand men on the fire, all your problems will finally go away. Any day now Ah yes, the side losing a bajillion men a month is just walking 18km into empty and undefended newly built one billion USD defensive networks because the other side with a supposed million man army has no casualties and just got tired of killing Russians. Yeah, lets take units directly from the front lines of other areas to stop the breakthrough. No need for reserves that are totally there and exist. Everything is fine lol  What did the Russians do with this massive gift? What is your information telling you? From this side of the world it looks like they were beaten back or encircled and mostly captured and killed. Since zeo had no response and everything from the bloggers is coming out as positive with Russian soldiers all being encircled and beaten back, it looks that they were not able to take advantage of this break through. They are continuing to sacrificing "bajillion" men for a couple square KMs but everything is still pretty stable.
The breakthrough is pretty much over judging from the reports. Russians were stopped, then cut off and encircled. They tried advancing in a different direction but this also didn't go well for them.
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By the way, I'm really wondering why US is even involved in the peace talks? From the data it seems that this year they provided pretty much no support to Ukraine whatsoever and it's Europe that has been picking up the slack and expanding their infrastructure so they can supply the same amount of military aid to Ukraine without US as they did with US last year.
https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
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^ I suspect, because IF the US firmly picked a side, that side would be 'guaranteed' to 'win'.
Europe expanding now to potentially provide more support later isn't particularly relevant. The US could end the war tomorrow.
It's not a good reason per se, but it feels obvious that Zelensky & Putin absolutely will always want to court American favour.
This would feel like an obvious statement under any president other than DJT, but alas here we are. X_X
I feel like the UK, France or Germany could also end the war quickly, but it wouldn't be simply a flick of the wrist.
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On August 18 2025 10:18 Manit0u wrote:By the way, I'm really wondering why US is even involved in the peace talks? From the data it seems that this year they provided pretty much no support to Ukraine whatsoever and it's Europe that has been picking up the slack and expanding their infrastructure so they can supply the same amount of military aid to Ukraine without US as they did with US last year. https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/
Trump has made no attempt to hide that he wants a Nobel Peace Price. That's all there is to it
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On August 18 2025 14:02 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 18 2025 10:18 Manit0u wrote:By the way, I'm really wondering why US is even involved in the peace talks? From the data it seems that this year they provided pretty much no support to Ukraine whatsoever and it's Europe that has been picking up the slack and expanding their infrastructure so they can supply the same amount of military aid to Ukraine without US as they did with US last year. https://www.ifw-kiel.de/topics/war-against-ukraine/ukraine-support-tracker/ Trump has made no attempt to hide that he wants a Nobel Peace Price. That's all there is to it
It is so utterly silly that that is a thing. Also so very obvious he just wants it because Obama got one, and he has to be better than the black guy.
(To be fair, the Obama preemptive Nobel peace price for not being G.W.Bush was pretty silly to begin with.)
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Obama getting a Nobel was dumb.
Kissinger getting one after bombing the fuck out of Cambodia and being very active in supporting juntas and cues all over the world was insane.
Trump is never going to get it no matter how many dictators and ass kissers nominate him.
US could end the war if it released the flood gates of equipment, this could have been done by Biden and that + withdrawal from Afghanistan and not actually starting any wars, maybe throw in actually putting pressure on Nethyanahu and not giving the ceasefire "win" to Trump might make him a good candidate for a Nobel.
Unfortunately Biden and his people were afraid of Putin and Bibi so now we get to live in this shitty reality where a reality TV star is trying to make this (and every other) war about himself.
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Russia-Ukraine, India-Pakistan, Israel-Palestine.
All of them just Trump chasing a Nobel prize he will never get.
India even had to come out with a public statement that Trump had nothing to do with ending the conflict because he was taking credit for it.
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On August 18 2025 19:18 Gorsameth wrote:
Russia-Ukraine, India-Pakistan, Israel-Palestine.
All of them just Trump chasing a Nobel prize he will never get.
India even had to come out with a public statement that Trump had nothing to do with ending the conflict because he was taking credit for it.
And that is now costing India through Trump's revenge tariffs. People are now using the "Trump wants a Nobel price" as a political game to play around him. If you want to get on his good side, you bend the knee and butter him up. Even Hillary publicly declared Trump should get it if he makes Russia leave Ukraine completely (no ceding of territory), hoping it would entice him to be harder on Putin (And Trump immediately started liking her again. 8 years of "lock her up" turned into "Oh she's great" in a second of buttering. He is the easiest man on the planet to spin around the pinkie)
Ironically, Netanyahu nominating Trump for the peace price is also going to be one of the reasons he will never get one. He can't please Israel and simultaneously create peace in the area.
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Lets be real, if Trump were to convince Putin to abandon Ukraine and pull back to pre-2014 borders he can have that peace prize.
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On August 18 2025 20:42 Gorsameth wrote:
Lets be real, if Trump were to convince Putin to abandon Ukraine and pull back to pre-2014 borders he can have that peace prize.
Absolutely, and he would even have earned it. Doesn't seem like a likely thing to happen, but if he does it, I am totally on board.
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If Russia pulls out because their economy collapses, then Trump who tried to force Ukraine to surrender several times should get zero credit for that.
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I don't think he'd get a Nobel anyway. The committee learned their lesson after Obama (I hope).
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If they didn't learn from Kissinger I doubt Obama even registered.
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Since anyone can nominate anyone, I would be very happy to volunteer and write a heartfelt message to the comity nominating Trump if he reversed the clock and got Ruskies to fuck off and leave Ukraine alone, I'll even go further and say that if he even gets Putin to give up Zaporizhia and Kherson while the 2 "republics" go and join Russia along the current front lines being the new borders I'd count it and do it as well.
This will, of course, never, ever happen because he's a terrible negotiator, and even if he was as good as he wants people to think he is Russia would never agree to this, I'm convinced Putler would rather his country balkanize and collapse completely while he ends himself in a bunker Hitler style before agreeing to anything like that.
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On August 18 2025 22:30 Manit0u wrote:
I don't think he'd get a Nobel anyway. The committee learned their lesson after Obama (I hope).
Naw obama got his before he did anything. If Trump could somehow get Russia to withdraw from Ukraine he would be worthy of the nobel prize and I would genuinly say he had forever a mark in the win collum for his presidnecy. He would go above Andrew Jackson and Lincoln in my book to get out of the bottom 5 presidencies on that alone.
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Gonna be honest. Wasnt expecting Trump to be the one getting this conflict ( Paused/Resolved )
I mean hell. Not long ago he fcking striked Iran nuclear plants or w.e.and i was like shit. Looks like another one about to start. Hopefully this time a deal can be done and Ukraine will back to a life were being under siege isnt the norm after 3.5 years. So many young lives going to dust is actually so sad. Whole generations fucked. Truly a tragedy.
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What are you talking about? Germany isn’t withdrawing their troops from Ukraine, they never entered the war.
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On August 19 2025 11:04 KwarK wrote:What are you talking about? Germany isn’t withdrawing their troops from Ukraine, they never entered the war.
I didn't say they deployed troops to Ukraine? I meant they aren't exactly subtle about what their security guarantee plan is
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On August 18 2025 20:42 Gorsameth wrote:
Lets be real, if Trump were to convince Putin to abandon Ukraine and pull back to pre-2014 borders he can have that peace prize. If he somehow managed todo that, He might as well grab Obama’s Nobel Prize just to tick him off. Atleast he would deserve it.
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