EPTRusso-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 821
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Sermokala
United States14187 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1628 Posts
These countries have thousands of kilometers of border, Russia is the biggest country in the world, a lot of Ukrainians look and sound like Russians and can pass for them perfectly and Russia is notoriously corrupt so it shouldn't be that hard to bribe your way into getting stuff in the country and making sure it goes undetected. I know there's a lot of sabotage on the railways and bridges as well as some locally launched drone and other attacks, bu this was next level. With all that being said, this was epic and already stuff of legends. People who planned and executed this are amazing, the coordination and timing, the ingenuity of hiding the drones, relays, getting them on target, picking perfect targets at perfect times to catch all these extremely valuable crafts, even the symbolism of hitting the fuckers who are lobbing cruise missiles at your cities, just chefs kiss. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8278 Posts
On June 02 2025 16:27 Jankisa wrote: To me it seems weird that there aren't more attacks like this. These countries have thousands of kilometers of border, Russia is the biggest country in the world, a lot of Ukrainians look and sound like Russians and can pass for them perfectly and Russia is notoriously corrupt so it shouldn't be that hard to bribe your way into getting stuff in the country and making sure it goes undetected. I know there's a lot of sabotage on the railways and bridges as well as some locally launched drone and other attacks, bu this was next level. With all that being said, this was epic and already stuff of legends. People who planned and executed this are amazing, the coordination and timing, the ingenuity of hiding the drones, relays, getting them on target, picking perfect targets at perfect times to catch all these extremely valuable crafts, even the symbolism of hitting the fuckers who are lobbing cruise missiles at your cities, just chefs kiss. That's the thing about clandestine operations, they're really hard to pull off. Requires a lot of planning, a lot of network, and all while making sure you don't get caught. For instance, you brought up bribing: How can you know this individual will accept the bribe and not sell you out? He has to be vetted, perhaps molded, and that immediately takes time. He gets caught? Now you're starting over. How they managed to smuggle all these custom made containers filled with explosive drones over the border is beyond me, but it's unlikely to work twice. So now, whatever they are planning next, they're starting anew again; new people to bribe, new avenues of smuggling, find new flaws to exploit. Etc. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1628 Posts
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Yurie
12149 Posts
On June 02 2025 19:28 Jankisa wrote: I'm not in the least trying to downplay this achievement or it's difficulty, I just think it's not that weird that it happened because as many factors as there are that make it difficult there are these circumstances that make it a bit easier. The war is probably part of what makes it hard right now. If this was before the war you could probably claim to be Pakistani terrorists and buy the drones from the Russian Army. Corruptions is usually less a few years into a war since it gets people killed and thus gets the corrupt people killed/jailed/moved to the front line in turn. | ||
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Billyboy
2153 Posts
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0x64
Finland4635 Posts
On June 03 2025 06:51 Billyboy wrote: Info still coming out on exactly what was destroyed but I am seeing estimates of 3-7bn in damage! Wow. How many people going to fall out of windows based on this. Also, will this be 911 was for the US (and world) where there economy is slowed based on more checks and security. Every time more information comes out it looks a bigger and better success. My mind is blown! Yes but which side takes the blame, the military for not protecting their Air fields or the FSB for not doing their intelligence properly. Generals do tend to die in Russia from silly accident, but you can't scare the whole army staff or they will at some point change the regime (And that will be a phone call not guns and revolution) | ||
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Excludos
Norway8278 Posts
https://www.newsweek.com/crimea-bridge-hit-explosion-2080254 | ||
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Billyboy
2153 Posts
On June 03 2025 17:11 0x64 wrote: Yes but which side takes the blame, the military for not protecting their Air fields or the FSB for not doing their intelligence properly. Generals do tend to die in Russia from silly accident, but you can't scare the whole army staff or they will at some point change the regime (And that will be a phone call not guns and revolution) Good question, I would guess FSB. But I do not think they to find THE guy or guys, just A guy or guys they can blame. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5860 Posts
For our peacemongering clowns. ;-) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27271 Posts
On June 04 2025 00:34 maybenexttime wrote: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/medvedev-says-russia-seeks-victory-not-compromise-talks-with-ukraine-2025-06-03/ For our peacemongering clowns. ;-) Lol. I guess it’s not impossible that this is just sabre-rattling for a domestic Russian audience’s benefit, but given the last few years that feels a gigantic stretch of credulity | ||
KwarK
United States44245 Posts
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Copymizer
Denmark2108 Posts
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Billyboy
2153 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24264 Posts
On June 04 2025 04:18 KwarK wrote: Throughout the war Russia have been extremely vocal about what their intentions are re: the Baltics, Poland, Moldova etc. while a bunch of Tankies insist that Russia would never do what they’ve done a dozen times before and say they’re definitely going to do again. Could you quote/cite some of the "bunch of Tankies" doing this? I find "tankies do X" is often a combination of liberal imagination, exaggeration, misinterpretation, dishonesty, etc. A couple examples would go a long way in identifying where your assertion here fits. | ||
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Billyboy
2153 Posts
On June 04 2025 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote: Could you quote/cite some of the "bunch of Tankies" doing this? I find "tankies do X" is often a combination of liberal imagination, exaggeration, misinterpretation, dishonesty, etc. A couple examples would go a long way in identifying where your assertion here fits. Unless this is the start of a glorious new era on TL, you are the last person who should be asking others for sources. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5860 Posts
On June 04 2025 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote: Could you quote/cite some of the "bunch of Tankies" doing this? I find "tankies do X" is often a combination of liberal imagination, exaggeration, misinterpretation, dishonesty, etc. A couple examples would go a long way in identifying where your assertion here fits. You can go to any tankie subreddit. It's not that hard. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24264 Posts
On June 04 2025 05:33 maybenexttime wrote: You can go to any tankie subreddit. It's not that hard. Presumably I already do by your guys' standards, but this isn't something I'm familiar with, that's one reason I ask. I've not had this experience, even with the people in my circles that get called "tankies" frequently. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On June 04 2025 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote: Could you quote/cite some of the "bunch of Tankies" doing this? I find "tankies do X" is often a combination of liberal imagination, exaggeration, misinterpretation, dishonesty, etc. A couple examples would go a long way in identifying where your assertion here fits. My irl friends who I think could be reasonably labeled as tankies generally have zero idea how much imperialism and ethnic cleansing was associated with the formation of the Russian empire and/or USSR. When these friends of mine read about the number of ethnic Russians in this or that country/region, they view it as proof the west wrongly seized this land from the indigenous Russians because their understanding of history doesn't go back far enough to know about Russia replacing existing populations with Russians by force as a core part of their imperialist strategy. | ||
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KwarK
United States44245 Posts
On June 04 2025 05:04 GreenHorizons wrote: Could you quote/cite some of the "bunch of Tankies" doing this? Yes, relatively easily. | ||
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