Russo-Ukrainian War Thread - Page 60

On March 18 2022 18:36 iFU.pauline wrote:


They are printing this money out of thin air they could send 1 trillion if they want to. The US always wanted to go to war with Russia and they've been building up this conflict since 2014 with NATO. We would be lucky if this doesn't expand beyond Ukraine and this choice only depends on the US, they have the red button and Europe, we the dogs will follow.

On March 18 2022 21:43 JimmiC wrote:

This is the way the facebook warriors are moving. It is from covid was fake, to vaccine was bad, to government is profiting, to this war being part of the great reset and somehow Putin is not really the bad guy.

It is impossible to unpack because each following assumption is built on a bunch of other mostly flawed assumption and now the world view is so different from people dealing with facts a conversation is almost not possible.

On March 18 2022 21:52 PoulsenB wrote:

This war has spawned a lot of weird stuff, for example I keep seeing memes or people here and there, saying "cmon Poland, push the article 5 button". What are they even saying? That they want a NATO vs Russia war? That Poland secretly wants to join the war? This isn't even how the article 5 works, we don't have a way to activate it unless we are directly attacked.

On March 18 2022 16:53 iFU.pauline wrote:


We are supporting Ukraine with weapons and heavy economical sanctions... yes we are very active and lasncf is right, everything as planned, war might go global in europe while American cash out.

Then, in the past several days, Ukrainian forces launched a counteroffensive toward Kherson, breaking through Russian lines and going past the boundary between the Mykolaiv and Kherson regions. A Ukrainian strike on the Russian-controlled Kherson airport destroyed at least 13 Russian combat helicopters and a large number of military vehicles, according to satellite imagery and video footage.

The battles around Mykolaiv have been bloody, with heavy casualties on both sides. Every day, military ambulances and civilian vans marked “200”—the Soviet-era code name for killed in action—bring the mangled remains of Ukrainian soldiers to the regional morgue in Mykolaiv. The influx of Ukrainian fatalities has slowed somewhat now that some Russian units are on the run, and that the city no longer experiences constant shelling, said morgue attendant Volodymyr Afanasiev.

“It’s quiet in Mykolaiv because they are too busy defending their own positions, shooting at our forces that are attacking them instead of shooting at the city,” Mr. Kim said. “We have pushed them away from the city and keep moving ahead.”

In recent days, Ukrainian officials regained access to previously Russian-controlled villages such as Luch, Shevchenkove and Ukrainka southeast of Mykolaiv, delivering food and evacuating civilians. Still, the liberated areas remain dangerous, Mr. Kim said.

“Some of the Russian infantry vehicles and tanks are just lost, wandering around. They don’t have communications, they don’t know where they are,” Mr. Kim said. “Sometimes they appear in our rear and start firing at any civilian car they see because they are afraid someone will jump out of that car with a rocket-propelled grenade and blast them.”

On March 18 2022 18:36 iFU.pauline wrote:


They are printing this money out of thin air they could send 1 trillion if they want to. The US always wanted to go to war with Russia and they've been building up this conflict since 2014 with NATO. We would be lucky if this doesn't expand beyond Ukraine and this choice only depends on the US, they have the red button and Europe, we the dogs will follow.

On March 18 2022 20:06 GreenHorizons wrote:
I definitely consider the US also a "bad guy" in this conflict. Lockheed and Raytheon aren't giving the weapons away and the US military-industrial complex isn't some fantasy.

I don't think it's possible to divine out percentages of motivation for US involvement. That's going at least back to US interference in the sketchy election of Yeltsin who hand picked Putin as his successor, through US support of the overthrow of the Ukrainian government ~2014, to today.

What we do know is that Democracy isn't paramount as we see with arming Saudi Arabia despite their atrocities in Yemen. We also know the US is willing to support violent illegal occupations in Palestine and arm the occupation. So I for one don't buy into the whole Team America Benevolent World Police narrative.

On March 18 2022 22:26 JimmiC wrote:

I swear these people all talk among themselves and yell down anyone who says "I'm not sure that is true". Then they come online with garbage catch phrase word salad and unless it is a safe zone of other people in the same cult of made up shit, they get it shredded. Then instead of thoroughly thinking through what they have been saying and believing they just go with that they are the special ones who have "figured it out" and everyone else is sheeple. It is odd how few of these people go, oh yeah I have no factual basis for any of my thoughts here, in fact they are extremely extremely unlikely.

On March 18 2022 22:33 Biff The Understudy wrote:

Then again is there any time in your book where the US is not the bad guy.

On March 18 2022 23:27 KwarK wrote:

He’s looking at the US outside of the lens of greater evil analysis and pointing out that the US brings an awful lot of evil into the world. Both domestically with its oligarchic capitalist exploitation of the people and resources of the United States and with the enforcement of a global world order designed to import resources and extract misery. God probably wouldn’t judge the US very favourably.

But sometimes the stars align and the US fucks over someone who actually deserves it. In those instances the US looks like a good guy, provided you ignore literally everything else it also does. When GH says the US is a bad guy he doesn’t mean the US is always the worst guy in any given room, he means that you can’t ignore the bigger picture.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable to conclude that when the US supports the little guy in this conflict and the big autocratic guy bombing villages in Yemen it’s probably not because the US hates dictatorships, loves human rights, and supports the plucky underdog. The concerns are geopolitical, not moral, and it just happens that geopolitical concerns and moral concerns have aligned this time. But doing the right thing for the wrong reasons is still doing the right thing, I’ll take it.

On March 18 2022 23:43 Dangermousecatdog wrote:

Greenhorizon can debate by himself with his own arguments. He doesn't need you to come up with your own projections. If you want to make an argument, you don't need to hide behind another's name and use their name to make your own argument. And USA is very much not the "bad guy" during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. USA warned Ukraine and the rest of the world for 3 months that Russia was preparing to invade Ukraine. Many European countries are also sending arms and aid to Ukraine, just like USA is doing. This is the Ukraine thread, not USA thread. Go whataboutism in the dedicated USA thread instead. Besides this talk of "bad guys" is so naive it's beyond immature.