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Russian Federation378 Posts
On September 28 2022 06:53 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 06:45 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 04:18 Simberto wrote:On September 28 2022 04:09 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 03:15 Dav1oN wrote:
Meanwhile orcs continue to target civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv with missiles, part of the city is in blackout. Also got reports about strikes in Odesa
Hopefully this retarted regime will collapse with suffering, they deserve it Why dont you hope for peace for everyone? Why do you want to someone to suffer i dont understand Maybe because they totally illegally invaded his country, killed lots and lots of people, and are still there bombing civilians? I can understand that he is a bit angry. Why don't your guys just leave? I don't understand that. You clearly lost the war. Anything more is just pointless suffering. Or even better, why didn't you just not invade? That would have been the best for everyone. For sure i can understand the anger, and collapse of regime. But i dont understand why any individual wants others to suffer. It sounds like revenge which in my world leads to more suffer and never ends. We should spread love, not hate Are you actively doing that at Russian websites and social media? Or only against the Ukranian fella.
There is no ukranian, russian, spanish or any category you want people, all are equal human, one specie. Therefore i am not doing this against anyone. You should read this as a supportive message, nothing offensive. You havent lost anyone in this war yet (i hope), but if we continue spread hate, it will end with 3rd worldwide massacre.
I know it sounds a bit pinky, but just want to not hear anyone wish someone to suffer, thats all
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Lithuania to provide Ukraine 25k winter uniforms.
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On September 28 2022 07:24 iFU.spx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 06:53 Godwrath wrote:On September 28 2022 06:45 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 04:18 Simberto wrote:On September 28 2022 04:09 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 03:15 Dav1oN wrote:
Meanwhile orcs continue to target civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv with missiles, part of the city is in blackout. Also got reports about strikes in Odesa
Hopefully this retarted regime will collapse with suffering, they deserve it Why dont you hope for peace for everyone? Why do you want to someone to suffer i dont understand Maybe because they totally illegally invaded his country, killed lots and lots of people, and are still there bombing civilians? I can understand that he is a bit angry. Why don't your guys just leave? I don't understand that. You clearly lost the war. Anything more is just pointless suffering. Or even better, why didn't you just not invade? That would have been the best for everyone. For sure i can understand the anger, and collapse of regime. But i dont understand why any individual wants others to suffer. It sounds like revenge which in my world leads to more suffer and never ends. We should spread love, not hate Are you actively doing that at Russian websites and social media? Or only against the Ukranian fella. There is no ukranian, russian, spanish or any category you want people, all are equal human, one specie. Therefore i am not doing this against anyone. You should read this as a supportive message, nothing offensive. You havent lost anyone in this war yet (i hope), but if we continue spread hate, it will end with 3rd worldwide massacre. I know it sounds a bit pinky, but just want to not hear anyone wish someone to suffer, thats all
Without suffering, the Russian people may not learn their lesson. They need to react allergically to anything associated with Putin and imperialism. The same way they react to Yeltsin and liberalism right now.
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Russian Federation378 Posts
On September 28 2022 07:48 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 07:24 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 06:53 Godwrath wrote:On September 28 2022 06:45 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 04:18 Simberto wrote:On September 28 2022 04:09 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 03:15 Dav1oN wrote:
Meanwhile orcs continue to target civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv with missiles, part of the city is in blackout. Also got reports about strikes in Odesa
Hopefully this retarted regime will collapse with suffering, they deserve it Why dont you hope for peace for everyone? Why do you want to someone to suffer i dont understand Maybe because they totally illegally invaded his country, killed lots and lots of people, and are still there bombing civilians? I can understand that he is a bit angry. Why don't your guys just leave? I don't understand that. You clearly lost the war. Anything more is just pointless suffering. Or even better, why didn't you just not invade? That would have been the best for everyone. For sure i can understand the anger, and collapse of regime. But i dont understand why any individual wants others to suffer. It sounds like revenge which in my world leads to more suffer and never ends. We should spread love, not hate Are you actively doing that at Russian websites and social media? Or only against the Ukranian fella. There is no ukranian, russian, spanish or any category you want people, all are equal human, one specie. Therefore i am not doing this against anyone. You should read this as a supportive message, nothing offensive. You havent lost anyone in this war yet (i hope), but if we continue spread hate, it will end with 3rd worldwide massacre. I know it sounds a bit pinky, but just want to not hear anyone wish someone to suffer, thats all Without suffering, the Russian people may not learn their lesson. They need to react allergically to anything associated with Putin and imperialism. The same way they react to Yeltsin and liberalism right now.
You cant learn lesson with suffer, you end up getting a scar
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Get out of ukraine, incluidng crimea, or get fucked. There is nothing to talk about, just get fucked.
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On September 28 2022 08:19 iFU.spx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 07:48 maybenexttime wrote:On September 28 2022 07:24 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 06:53 Godwrath wrote:On September 28 2022 06:45 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 04:18 Simberto wrote:On September 28 2022 04:09 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 03:15 Dav1oN wrote:
Meanwhile orcs continue to target civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv with missiles, part of the city is in blackout. Also got reports about strikes in Odesa
Hopefully this retarted regime will collapse with suffering, they deserve it Why dont you hope for peace for everyone? Why do you want to someone to suffer i dont understand Maybe because they totally illegally invaded his country, killed lots and lots of people, and are still there bombing civilians? I can understand that he is a bit angry. Why don't your guys just leave? I don't understand that. You clearly lost the war. Anything more is just pointless suffering. Or even better, why didn't you just not invade? That would have been the best for everyone. For sure i can understand the anger, and collapse of regime. But i dont understand why any individual wants others to suffer. It sounds like revenge which in my world leads to more suffer and never ends. We should spread love, not hate Are you actively doing that at Russian websites and social media? Or only against the Ukranian fella. There is no ukranian, russian, spanish or any category you want people, all are equal human, one specie. Therefore i am not doing this against anyone. You should read this as a supportive message, nothing offensive. You havent lost anyone in this war yet (i hope), but if we continue spread hate, it will end with 3rd worldwide massacre. I know it sounds a bit pinky, but just want to not hear anyone wish someone to suffer, thats all Without suffering, the Russian people may not learn their lesson. They need to react allergically to anything associated with Putin and imperialism. The same way they react to Yeltsin and liberalism right now. You cant learn lesson with suffer, you end up getting a scar
Yes, you can. Most people learn from their scars, and sometimes lessons like that are necessary.
The peaceful method did not work on Moldova. It did not work on Georgia. It did not work in 2014 either. So the time for peaceful measures has passed. The russian people need their scars so they can learn and grow up and leave their imperial roots behind - like most other modern nations have done.
Until then they are fresh out of luck.
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Canada11513 Posts
On September 28 2022 07:24 iFU.spx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 06:53 Godwrath wrote:On September 28 2022 06:45 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 04:18 Simberto wrote:On September 28 2022 04:09 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 03:15 Dav1oN wrote:
Meanwhile orcs continue to target civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv with missiles, part of the city is in blackout. Also got reports about strikes in Odesa
Hopefully this retarted regime will collapse with suffering, they deserve it Why dont you hope for peace for everyone? Why do you want to someone to suffer i dont understand Maybe because they totally illegally invaded his country, killed lots and lots of people, and are still there bombing civilians? I can understand that he is a bit angry. Why don't your guys just leave? I don't understand that. You clearly lost the war. Anything more is just pointless suffering. Or even better, why didn't you just not invade? That would have been the best for everyone. For sure i can understand the anger, and collapse of regime. But i dont understand why any individual wants others to suffer. It sounds like revenge which in my world leads to more suffer and never ends. We should spread love, not hate Are you actively doing that at Russian websites and social media? Or only against the Ukranian fella. There is no ukranian, russian, spanish or any category you want people, all are equal human, one specie. Therefore i am not doing this against anyone. You should read this as a supportive message, nothing offensive. You havent lost anyone in this war yet (i hope), but if we continue spread hate, it will end with 3rd worldwide massacre. I know it sounds a bit pinky, but just want to not hear anyone wish someone to suffer, thats all
Here's the thing- where you jumped in the conversation, the wish was that the current regime would collapse with suffering. You latched on to the suffering part, but focus a bit on the regime part that preceded it. I don't think many people are going to be wishing warm fuzzies on the current Russian regime. If anything, wishing for the current regime to collapse is a pro-Russian sentiment as we would all want Russia to exist with peace, order, and good government. The world would be a safer place, and Russians would be better off without the current regime. Short term suffering for long term improvement. Why not?
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The time for healing and forgiveness comes after the trauma is over. Russians are either directly or indirectly applying trama onto Ukranians. They are not scarring they are actively being cut.
Lyman isn't going to be evacuated. I don't know if this is where Putin wants his army to break and surrender but they were moving out of the pocket a while ago in the last Kharkiv offensive. There's not just one breakthrough in this offensive there is a second one coming from the south to kettle whats stuck in Lyman.
Izium was only evacuated at the cost of the greatest armor formation russia has, First Guards tank army had the best Russia could give them, including T-90M's fresh from the factory floor and stocks of T-80's, and they broke
The true genius in these offensives is that they may only be taking small bits of the nation back, those bits are exponentially valuable for the coming winter. when the rains fall and turn everything into mud the only way to move anything is either on prepared roads or railroads. There are only so many rail lines from Russia into Ukraine that are laid and these offensives have cut the ones direct from Moscow. Even if this offensive stops right this moment and the war settles in for the winter It will be a fantastically better one for Ukraine than Moscow. Rail lines will have to travel not a direct line to the Donbass from Moscow but will have to go far to the east to rostov on don and then go west into the Donbass. These lines already are loaded to supply the entire southern front. Ukraine cut the land bridge for rail stocks east-west long ago. The entire war is now supplied through rostov on don. If a drone ever gets through in the next 4-5 months things will spiral. If the Kerch bridge ever falls the southern front will collapse into panic and surrender.
I don't know about whats going on with NS1. I don't know who it really serves or benefits. Maybe it has something to do with the Polish-Norwegian pipeline. The US is getting lend-lease going next month thats going to be something to look forward to to see how it works.
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On September 28 2022 07:48 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 07:24 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 06:53 Godwrath wrote:On September 28 2022 06:45 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 04:18 Simberto wrote:On September 28 2022 04:09 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 03:15 Dav1oN wrote:
Meanwhile orcs continue to target civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv with missiles, part of the city is in blackout. Also got reports about strikes in Odesa
Hopefully this retarted regime will collapse with suffering, they deserve it Why dont you hope for peace for everyone? Why do you want to someone to suffer i dont understand Maybe because they totally illegally invaded his country, killed lots and lots of people, and are still there bombing civilians? I can understand that he is a bit angry. Why don't your guys just leave? I don't understand that. You clearly lost the war. Anything more is just pointless suffering. Or even better, why didn't you just not invade? That would have been the best for everyone. For sure i can understand the anger, and collapse of regime. But i dont understand why any individual wants others to suffer. It sounds like revenge which in my world leads to more suffer and never ends. We should spread love, not hate Are you actively doing that at Russian websites and social media? Or only against the Ukranian fella. There is no ukranian, russian, spanish or any category you want people, all are equal human, one specie. Therefore i am not doing this against anyone. You should read this as a supportive message, nothing offensive. You havent lost anyone in this war yet (i hope), but if we continue spread hate, it will end with 3rd worldwide massacre. I know it sounds a bit pinky, but just want to not hear anyone wish someone to suffer, thats all Without suffering, the Russian people may not learn their lesson. They need to react allergically to anything associated with Putin and imperialism. The same way they react to Yeltsin and liberalism right now.
There is a saying in my country: 'Whoever digs a hole for another will fall into it himself'. Maybe after all is said and done some people will finally learn that lesson. There is no horse too high that someone can't be taken down from it.
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On September 28 2022 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Thus confirmed. Now the question is who had spy satellites overhead around that time, surely Denmark watches that area like a hawk already. Don't believe a Submarine, at least a modern one, can hide in 100-150ft of water. + Show Spoiler +
I apologize, the depth was confirmed to be 70m/200ft. where the explosions happened. So it's a little deeper than average in the region. The baltic might be uncomfortable to navigate for the huge US subs, but there is activity there. Something the size of a German U212, Russian Kilo- or Lada-Class should be able to operate without problems.
Everything but sabotage is excluded now. The lines were struck at three places at once over 100km apart, one line is basically destroyed on the length of hundreds of meters.
Sorry for speculating too much yesterday, but i think it's fair to say this was something military.
Edit: Unexpectedly this didn't have any major effect on energy prices. Oil already falling again, which is always good because it hurts Putin the most.
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On September 28 2022 17:09 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 07:48 maybenexttime wrote:On September 28 2022 07:24 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 06:53 Godwrath wrote:On September 28 2022 06:45 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 04:18 Simberto wrote:On September 28 2022 04:09 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 03:15 Dav1oN wrote:
Meanwhile orcs continue to target civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv with missiles, part of the city is in blackout. Also got reports about strikes in Odesa
Hopefully this retarted regime will collapse with suffering, they deserve it Why dont you hope for peace for everyone? Why do you want to someone to suffer i dont understand Maybe because they totally illegally invaded his country, killed lots and lots of people, and are still there bombing civilians? I can understand that he is a bit angry. Why don't your guys just leave? I don't understand that. You clearly lost the war. Anything more is just pointless suffering. Or even better, why didn't you just not invade? That would have been the best for everyone. For sure i can understand the anger, and collapse of regime. But i dont understand why any individual wants others to suffer. It sounds like revenge which in my world leads to more suffer and never ends. We should spread love, not hate Are you actively doing that at Russian websites and social media? Or only against the Ukranian fella. There is no ukranian, russian, spanish or any category you want people, all are equal human, one specie. Therefore i am not doing this against anyone. You should read this as a supportive message, nothing offensive. You havent lost anyone in this war yet (i hope), but if we continue spread hate, it will end with 3rd worldwide massacre. I know it sounds a bit pinky, but just want to not hear anyone wish someone to suffer, thats all Without suffering, the Russian people may not learn their lesson. They need to react allergically to anything associated with Putin and imperialism. The same way they react to Yeltsin and liberalism right now. There is a saying in my country: 'Whoever digs a hole for another will fall into it himself'. Maybe after all is said and done some people will finally learn that lesson. There is no horse too high that someone can't be taken down from it.
And what would be the lesson in the unlikely case Russia wins? That might makes right? That you can get away with genocide if you have enough nuclear weapons?
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On September 28 2022 17:09 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 07:48 maybenexttime wrote:On September 28 2022 07:24 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 06:53 Godwrath wrote:On September 28 2022 06:45 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 04:18 Simberto wrote:On September 28 2022 04:09 iFU.spx wrote:On September 28 2022 03:15 Dav1oN wrote:
Meanwhile orcs continue to target civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv with missiles, part of the city is in blackout. Also got reports about strikes in Odesa
Hopefully this retarted regime will collapse with suffering, they deserve it Why dont you hope for peace for everyone? Why do you want to someone to suffer i dont understand Maybe because they totally illegally invaded his country, killed lots and lots of people, and are still there bombing civilians? I can understand that he is a bit angry. Why don't your guys just leave? I don't understand that. You clearly lost the war. Anything more is just pointless suffering. Or even better, why didn't you just not invade? That would have been the best for everyone. For sure i can understand the anger, and collapse of regime. But i dont understand why any individual wants others to suffer. It sounds like revenge which in my world leads to more suffer and never ends. We should spread love, not hate Are you actively doing that at Russian websites and social media? Or only against the Ukranian fella. There is no ukranian, russian, spanish or any category you want people, all are equal human, one specie. Therefore i am not doing this against anyone. You should read this as a supportive message, nothing offensive. You havent lost anyone in this war yet (i hope), but if we continue spread hate, it will end with 3rd worldwide massacre. I know it sounds a bit pinky, but just want to not hear anyone wish someone to suffer, thats all Without suffering, the Russian people may not learn their lesson. They need to react allergically to anything associated with Putin and imperialism. The same way they react to Yeltsin and liberalism right now. There is a saying in my country: 'Whoever digs a hole for another will fall into it himself'. Maybe after all is said and done some people will finally learn that lesson. There is no horse too high that someone can't be taken down from it.
Yes, if the hole is called partial mobilisation and kilometers long queue at border of Georgia and other countries. And I doubt this is all for Putin, EU and NATO seem absolutely resolved to get this right this time unlike Georgia (2008) and Crimea (2014).
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Russian Federation618 Posts
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The weapons listed are already on the way out the door. Sending them to Ukraine was beneficial because they were able to be used before their expiration date. There are newer systems that can be employed without producing dated weaponry.
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On September 28 2022 19:23 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Thus confirmed. Now the question is who had spy satellites overhead around that time, surely Denmark watches that area like a hawk already. Don't believe a Submarine, at least a modern one, can hide in 100-150ft of water. + Show Spoiler + I apologize, the depth was confirmed to be 70m/200ft. where the explosions happened. So it's a little deeper than average in the region. The baltic might be uncomfortable to navigate for the huge US subs, but there is activity there. Something the size of a German U212, Russian Kilo- or Lada-Class should be able to operate without problems. Everything but sabotage is excluded now. The lines were struck at three places at once over 100km apart, one line is basically destroyed on the length of hundreds of meters. Sorry for speculating too much yesterday, but i think it's fair to say this was something military. Edit: Unexpectedly this didn't have any major effect on energy prices. Oil already falling again, which is always good because it hurts Putin the most.
Well now it appears the Germany Navy is over one of the blast sites, some saying it is were well armed as well, though I doubt that, but even 200ft a Submarine will not be able to hide. At all.
edit: The German Government just updated it's armaments/supplies sent to Ukraine.
- 6 MG3 for armoured recovery vehicles
- 30.000 rounds ammunition 40mm*
- 10 Bridge Systems*
- 3 medium bridge systems*
- 90 heavy duty trailer trucks*
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992
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On September 28 2022 21:43 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On September 28 2022 19:23 r00ty wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2022 03:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Thus confirmed. Now the question is who had spy satellites overhead around that time, surely Denmark watches that area like a hawk already. Don't believe a Submarine, at least a modern one, can hide in 100-150ft of water. + Show Spoiler + I apologize, the depth was confirmed to be 70m/200ft. where the explosions happened. So it's a little deeper than average in the region. The baltic might be uncomfortable to navigate for the huge US subs, but there is activity there. Something the size of a German U212, Russian Kilo- or Lada-Class should be able to operate without problems. Everything but sabotage is excluded now. The lines were struck at three places at once over 100km apart, one line is basically destroyed on the length of hundreds of meters. Sorry for speculating too much yesterday, but i think it's fair to say this was something military. Edit: Unexpectedly this didn't have any major effect on energy prices. Oil already falling again, which is always good because it hurts Putin the most. Well now it appears the Germany Navy is over one fo the blast sites, some said they were well armed as well though I doubt that, but even 200ft a Submarine will not be able to hide. At all. https://twitter.com/frank_rieger/status/1575059334165278720edit: The German Government just updated it's armaments/supplies sent to Ukraine. - 6 MG3 for armoured recovery vehicles
- 30.000 rounds ammunition 40mm*
- 10 Bridge Systems*
- 3 medium bridge systems*
- 90 heavy duty trailer trucks*
https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-en/news/military-support-ukraine-2054992
I think it takes a couple of days until all the gas has left the pipelines, before that you can't really look for evidence at the sites, even with a UUV.
Each Nordstream pipeline consists of 2 pipes. So far 3/4 have been damaged. They may be checking the last line for evidence (malfunctioning explosives?). Someone didn't finish the job. Hopefully this will be solved.
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Danish authorities will have a press conference at 17:00pm. Will be accompanied by the Danish Army...
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If one of the pipes is intact and it just so happens that it's NS2, that's a solid indication that it was Russia.
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United States43989 Posts
I would never doubt the US military industrial complex when there’s money to be made. There are also huge stockpiles of everything because you need to keep the factories open but you don’t always use everything. The US buys shit it has no intention of using year after year as a strategic procurement program.
The real problem is that almost all of what Ukraine has received is last generation equipment, not current. HIMARS are being phased out by their new replacement, for example. This stuff isn’t being mass produced anymore because they’re pivoting to the newer better versions.
Right now Russia is losing to Soviet tanks and 20 year old NATO kit that someone found in an abandoned warehouse. If we run out of old stuff to send them we’ll just send them the good stuff.
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