Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine - Page 557

On October 29 2026 21:35 LightSpectra wrote:
Please continue embarrassing yourself, it saves me a lot of effort of debunking real arguments.

On October 29 2026 21:42 dyhb wrote:
Anytime you want to take up those questions from my post, or maybe actually mention Abbas when it comes to Palestinians voting and how that might differ, I'm all ears. I have an idea. Maybe Israel should start running West Bank elections so that you can notice and comment and condemn them. They seem to be a lot better at holding elections than their neighbors, although the factional parliamentary coalitions are still abysmal.

On October 29 2026 21:42 dyhb wrote:
Anytime you want to take up those questions from my post, or maybe actually mention Abbas when it comes to Palestinians voting and how that might differ, I'm all ears. I have an idea. Maybe Israel should start running West Bank elections so that you can notice and comment and condemn them. They seem to be a lot better at holding elections than their neighbors, although the factional parliamentary coalitions are still abysmal.

On October 29 2026 19:57 LightSpectra wrote:


Interesting, so if I'm an Israeli illegally squatting on Arab land in the West Bank, I can vote in Israeli elections and therefore my representatives will have say in whether the Israeli police and IDF will protect me from the legal consequences of stealing Arab land (which, as happenstance, they do). But if I'm an Arab in the West Bank my government is the Palestinian Authority and therefore I have no say over how the Israeli police and military are ordered, just the token forces of the NSF who have virtually no ability whatsoever to defend Palestinians against Israeli squatters.

Well, that deal is certainly dogshit, sounds like Palestinians should convert to Judaism so they can become Israeli citizens and vote in Israeli elections. Ah, well, except you get extrajudicially murdered like David Ben Avraham (formerly known as Sameh Muhammad Abd al-Rai Zaytoun) if you try that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_David_Ben_Avraham

But anyway, let's all laugh at the apartheid copers, m i rite?

On October 29 2026 22:15 Legan wrote:
Establishing a weak and corrupt government that is then pitted against locals is a textbook tactic of colonialism. The government takes the blame for failures and unpopular policies. When unrest happens, the government can get support from the colonists. If the government actually tries to change the situation, it is still weak enough that other local players can be elevated to be the governing body. These players can also make their own deals with the colonists. This gives the colonial power free rein to do whatever they want.

Any Palestinian who tries to organise, build, and develop things for the better will eventually run into Israeli settlers and the IDF. They can't protect Palestinians from the violence directed at them. If someone attempts they will be eventually labelled as dangerous terrorist and killed. Any government that can't protect its people will be unpopular. This is fertile ground for corruption, as the work stops mattering and only brings the sword down on your own head. Avoiding elections and the instability they could bring probably saves lives, as there is no rallying around taking more direct action.

Any Palestinian who tries to organise, build, and develop things for the better

On October 29 2026 21:49 Nebuchad wrote:


LS is not the one who tied the ability for people inside of Israel to vote to whether they are operating an Apartheid or not, that was you. You're using your own stupid premise to call him out.

On October 29 2026 23:04 RJGooner wrote:




Please do name said Palestinian. The record with Palestinian leadership is a pretty long history of radicalism and bad decision making which may have something to do with why things are the way they are today.

On October 29 2026 23:08 dyhb wrote:
He tied ignorance of Oslo to ignorance about apartheid. Israel’s to blame for Palestinians not agreeing to peace in exchange for control over 94% of the West Bank. I tend to think choosing intifada ended that for a generation, but that’s at least Palestinians held hostage by other Palestinians that don’t think Israel should exist.

On October 29 2026 22:48 RJGooner wrote:


I don’t take the apartheid libel too seriously. Like, obviously Israel isn’t practicing a system of racial oppression when it’s repeatedly demonstrated that Arab citizens of Israel have full equal rights - this latest election just being one example.

If people want to have a rational discussion about the occupation and settler violence in the West Bank that discussion can be had. Bandying around the apartheid and genocide libels is just bad-faith attempts to redefine language to paint Israel in the worst possible light.

On October 29 2026 22:48 RJGooner wrote:


I don’t take the apartheid libel too seriously. Like, obviously Israel isn’t practicing a system of racial oppression when it’s repeatedly demonstrated that Arab citizens of Israel have full equal rights - this latest election just being one example.

If people want to have a rational discussion about the occupation and settler violence in the West Bank that discussion can be had. Bandying around the apartheid and genocide libels is just bad-faith attempts to redefine language to paint Israel in the worst possible light.

On October 29 2026 23:16 Nebuchad wrote:


Glad we have established that you still have access to my posts and you can read them. So, let's go back to the question I asked you, what opinions and world views have you developed?

On October 29 2026 09:24 dyhb wrote:
I wonder how the Israeli Apartheid crowd is coping with Arab turnout in Israel denying Netanyahu a governing majority and perhaps sending Israel to a second election.

It’s a shame that there isn’t enough moderate Arab strength to join the opposition.

On October 29 2026 23:26 dyhb wrote:
Oh, I spoke on how sad it was that the anti-Netanyahu faction didn’t have enough moderate partners to topple him. Did you want to talk about it? Here the post again in case you got distracted by tangents:

I had a starting point for you, and maybe I’m more interested in a successful anti-Netanyahu coalition than you are,

Palestinian Arabs mostly under Hamas & PIJ killed or kidnapped 1400 Israelis, mostly civilians, roughly 3 years ago. Do you know why Israelis would have an issue partnering with political parties that can't call the main perpetrator, Hamas, a terrorist organization?

Anytime you want.

On October 29 2026 23:21 Nebuchad wrote:


As you know because you are sentient, the Apartheid accusation is applied to Palestinians living in Palestine. You pointing at another population and going "Well obvious they aren't living under Apartheid" is not very impactful. We were already aware.

On October 29 2026 23:26 LightSpectra wrote:
This thread seems to be devolving into the three/four pro-Israel posters circlejerking themselves about how discretely they can pretend settler-colonialism is irrelevant to the Apartheid accusation instead of acting in good faith, which is fine by me. Maybe this could just become a live thread for IDF/settler war crimes and discrimination against Arabs in Israel/Palestine.

On October 29 2026 23:32 Nebuchad wrote:


Well no I was interested in the opinions and worldviews that you have developed based on your belief that Arabs are too extreme. That's the main reason why I asked about that and not something else. It sounds like an interesting area for you to tell us how you perceive the world.