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On October 28 2026 23:52 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2026 22:46 LightSpectra wrote:
It's a curious loophole that Israeli settlers in 2026 can sabotage the water supply & burn the crops of a Palestinian village, forcing the indigenous people there to become refugees, and when they cry to the international community for justice, Israel says to them "the Nakba (which btw didn't happen, and if it did, you deserved it) was eighty years ago, get over it."
And when Americans rightly ask "why are we giving this country billions of dollars a year for nothing (other than because they give air support when a Republican president decides to bomb some brown people to help with their slump in the polls)?", internet trolls accuse us of supporting Hamas and something about inchworms (?). Displacement happened. Once again, the Arabs had really bad leadership who couldn’t accept a compromise.
The UN plan was shit for them and Israel made them eat more shit because they won the war. Vae victis is not "bad at compromising".
The “Nakba” was originally coined by a Syrian intellectual who was referring to the catastrophe and humiliation of the Israelis winning the war and establishing a state ( en.wikipedia.org), not the actual displacement of people. That’s one of the myths around the Nakba. The other is that displacement occurred in a vacuum and not as a result of the decision by Arabs to launch the war in the first place.
Maybe you should read the wikipedia article on the Nakba itself and see why pro-Palestine folk aren't very sympathetic to Israel's attitude lol
From an American perspective, the Israelis have been a great ally to us and one of our most reliable partners in the Middle East. Iran is the obvious malevolent force in the Middle East (and around the world, frankly) and the Israelis have helped us immensely on that front.
Of course, Netanyahu badgering Trump to attack Iran has had wholly good effects on the region and global economy. With friends like that, who needs enemies?
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On October 29 2026 00:14 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2026 23:52 RJGooner wrote:
From an American perspective, the Israelis have been a great ally to us and one of our most reliable partners in the Middle East. Iran is the obvious malevolent force in the Middle East (and around the world, frankly) and the Israelis have helped us immensely on that front. I'll skip over the over discussed "well akshualy" move of trying to change what words mean, who knew that you could use the word "catastrophe" for more then one thing, shocking! This quote tho, is so hilarious. Israel is an ally who has at various points: Attacked USS Liberty and killed 34 crewmen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incidentContinued spying on US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_espionage_in_the_United_StatesStealing of Nuclear secrets and lying about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affairNow Israel also dragged US into a catastrophic war in Iran. Some ally they are. I mean, they are to presidents and regimes they deem friendly and good enough for them, so, naturally, they align perfectly with Trump, while sabotaging presidents who push back on their settler insanity and warmongering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu's_2015_address_to_the_United_States_CongressI mean, for people who like Trump and American imperialism, maybe they are, for anyone with half a brain in their head, they are an obvious belligerent.
I didn’t change what the word meant I’m telling you what the “catastrophe” was from the Arab perspective after the 48 war.
On your other points:
- The USS Liberty was a clear case of mistaken identity. Israel apologized and paid compensation.
- Allies spy on each other - that isn’t anything out of the ordinary. We gain a lot from CIA collaboration with Mossad too.
- There is no proof that Israel stole any enriched uranium and the link you provided even acknowledges this
On the Iran war we weren’t dragged in, we chose to go to war. I have many issues with the way Trump did it and his handling of the conflict but I have no qualms about trying to remove the current regime from power. The Israelis have helped us on that score and on pushing back the Iranian proxy network across the Middle East.
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I find it really funny how in many places people were really convinced that Netanyahu is totally done for and power will change hands in these elections. Everything will be fine afterwards. Now it seems like a deadlock, and nobody really wants to cooperate with Arab parties. There is, of course, no discrimination toward Arabs, but the only thing that some dare to suggest is spending money on their communities that have lacked it for some reason previously. Actual policy changes are not on the table, as they would piss off other parties.
A similar thing happened with Erdogan a few years ago. Unfortunately, the current state and trend are often the best prediction of the future.
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On October 29 2026 00:40 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2026 00:14 Jankisa wrote:On October 28 2026 23:52 RJGooner wrote:
From an American perspective, the Israelis have been a great ally to us and one of our most reliable partners in the Middle East. Iran is the obvious malevolent force in the Middle East (and around the world, frankly) and the Israelis have helped us immensely on that front. I'll skip over the over discussed "well akshualy" move of trying to change what words mean, who knew that you could use the word "catastrophe" for more then one thing, shocking! This quote tho, is so hilarious. Israel is an ally who has at various points: Attacked USS Liberty and killed 34 crewmen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incidentContinued spying on US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_espionage_in_the_United_StatesStealing of Nuclear secrets and lying about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affairNow Israel also dragged US into a catastrophic war in Iran. Some ally they are. I mean, they are to presidents and regimes they deem friendly and good enough for them, so, naturally, they align perfectly with Trump, while sabotaging presidents who push back on their settler insanity and warmongering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu's_2015_address_to_the_United_States_CongressI mean, for people who like Trump and American imperialism, maybe they are, for anyone with half a brain in their head, they are an obvious belligerent. I didn’t change what the word meant I’m telling you what the “catastrophe” was from the Arab perspective after the 48 war. On your other points: - The USS Liberty was a clear case of mistaken identity. Israel apologized and paid compensation. - Allies spy on each other - that isn’t anything out of the ordinary. We gain a lot from CIA collaboration with Mossad too. - There is no proof that Israel stole any enriched uranium and the link you provided even acknowledges this On the Iran war we weren’t dragged in, we chose to go to war. I have many issues with the way Trump did it and his handling of the conflict but I have no qualms about trying to remove the current regime from power. The Israelis have helped us on that score and on pushing back the Iranian proxy network across the Middle East.
Oh, so you are just a very unserious person who buys all the "nukes next week" propaganda and finds no issues with a state stealing nuclear secrets from allies, as long as it's Israel, anyone else, well, bomb them.
Drawing the line at "well they did steal secrets and spy on us but they didn't actually steal any uranium" is hilarious. As is "they apologized and I believed them so it's fine".
Israel, as per their usual procedure, investigated themselves and:
After conducting his own fact-finding inquiry and reviewing evidence, Judge Yerushalmi's decision was: "I have not discovered any deviation from the standard of reasonable conduct which would justify committal of anyone for trial." In other words, he found no negligence by any IDF member associated with the attack.
Despite these findings:
In the historical report, it was acknowledged that IDF naval headquarters knew at least three hours before the attack that the ship was "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy" but concluded that this information had simply "gotten lost, never passed along to the ground controllers who directed the air attack nor to the crews of the three Israeli torpedo boats".
In 1991, Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote:
I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous.
But the important part is that you are OK with them apologizing and that plus all the other incidents don't change your perspective of this "great ally".
Of course, since bombing people in the middle east is the favorite pastime of neocon imperialists, from the perceptive of such a person, Israel is a great ally, so enjoy them and the consequences of this.
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On October 29 2026 01:11 Jankisa wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2026 00:40 RJGooner wrote:On October 29 2026 00:14 Jankisa wrote:On October 28 2026 23:52 RJGooner wrote:
From an American perspective, the Israelis have been a great ally to us and one of our most reliable partners in the Middle East. Iran is the obvious malevolent force in the Middle East (and around the world, frankly) and the Israelis have helped us immensely on that front. I'll skip over the over discussed "well akshualy" move of trying to change what words mean, who knew that you could use the word "catastrophe" for more then one thing, shocking! This quote tho, is so hilarious. Israel is an ally who has at various points: Attacked USS Liberty and killed 34 crewmen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incidentContinued spying on US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_espionage_in_the_United_StatesStealing of Nuclear secrets and lying about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_affairNow Israel also dragged US into a catastrophic war in Iran. Some ally they are. I mean, they are to presidents and regimes they deem friendly and good enough for them, so, naturally, they align perfectly with Trump, while sabotaging presidents who push back on their settler insanity and warmongering: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Netanyahu's_2015_address_to_the_United_States_CongressI mean, for people who like Trump and American imperialism, maybe they are, for anyone with half a brain in their head, they are an obvious belligerent. I didn’t change what the word meant I’m telling you what the “catastrophe” was from the Arab perspective after the 48 war. On your other points: - The USS Liberty was a clear case of mistaken identity. Israel apologized and paid compensation. - Allies spy on each other - that isn’t anything out of the ordinary. We gain a lot from CIA collaboration with Mossad too. - There is no proof that Israel stole any enriched uranium and the link you provided even acknowledges this On the Iran war we weren’t dragged in, we chose to go to war. I have many issues with the way Trump did it and his handling of the conflict but I have no qualms about trying to remove the current regime from power. The Israelis have helped us on that score and on pushing back the Iranian proxy network across the Middle East. Oh, so you are just a very unserious person who buys all the "nukes next week" propaganda and finds no issues with a state stealing nuclear secrets from allies, as long as it's Israel, anyone else, well, bomb them. Drawing the line at "well they did steal secrets and spy on us but they didn't actually steal any uranium" is hilarious. As is "they apologized and I believed them so it's fine". Israel, as per their usual procedure, investigated themselves and: Show nested quote +After conducting his own fact-finding inquiry and reviewing evidence, Judge Yerushalmi's decision was: "I have not discovered any deviation from the standard of reasonable conduct which would justify committal of anyone for trial." In other words, he found no negligence by any IDF member associated with the attack. Despite these findings: Show nested quote +In the historical report, it was acknowledged that IDF naval headquarters knew at least three hours before the attack that the ship was "an electromagnetic audio-surveillance ship of the U.S. Navy" but concluded that this information had simply "gotten lost, never passed along to the ground controllers who directed the air attack nor to the crews of the three Israeli torpedo boats". In 1991, Dean Rusk, U.S. Secretary of State at the time of the incident, wrote: Show nested quote +I was never satisfied with the Israeli explanation. Their sustained attack to disable and sink Liberty precluded an assault by accident or some trigger-happy local commander. Through diplomatic channels we refused to accept their explanations. I didn't believe them then, and I don't believe them to this day. The attack was outrageous. But the important part is that you are OK with them apologizing and that plus all the other incidents don't change your perspective of this "great ally". Of course, since bombing people in the middle east is the favorite pastime of neocon imperialists, from the perceptive of such a person, Israel is a great ally, so enjoy them and the consequences of this.
Read your own link. There’s no evidence of Israel stealing nuclear secrets.
USS Liberty has been investigated like 7 different times. It was an accident and Israel paid compensation and apologized. You believe in a conspiracy theory.
I’m sure the concerns around the Iranian nuclear program are just propaganda. I mean sure, they were enriching 1000s of kilos of uranium to 60% with no civilian purpose for doing so, but I’m sure they can be trusted.
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Allright buddy, so a known incident with quotes from SOS and Israel's judges is a "conspiracy theory", Israel just invented nuclear weapons on its own, got the enriched materials out of thin air and didn't make bogus control rooms to fool the Americans.
You are perfectly willing to buy all that, so naturally you are on board with Nethyanahu claiming Iran is 2 weeks away for 20 years.
I'm sure you are also in the "Iran war is a great success" train and cheer on every time your daddy Trump proclaims he will "end a civilization" or when the other daddy Bibi says that Palestinians are human animals.
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On October 29 2026 00:08 Billyboy wrote:It’s strange to me how even during a very major current event that could reshape the region, or keep it the same is completely ignored well the never ending and unsolvable, pointless argument about who’s at fault rages on. For those interested in the election I’ll spoiler a summary from cnn. The tldr is Netanyahu and friends lost enough seats that they are no longer a majority but not enough to make the rival a majority either. Arab parties surged and could have a major role in the next government if either of the two coalitions are willing to work with them and vice versa. Or it will likely be more elections. This also had the largest turnout since 1999. + Show Spoiler + Israeli election officials are still counting the votes cast in yesterday’s parliamentary election. With almost 80% counted, Israel seems set for a political deadlock. Neither Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu nor his main rival, ex-military chief Gadi Eisenkot, have the 61 seats needed for a governing majority in the 120-seat parliament, the Knesset.
Here’s the latest:
Netanyahu defiant despite losses: The incumbent prime minister said his bloc had the support of a “decisive majority among the Zionist and Jewish public.” The right-wing grouping is set to take 54 seats, a loss of 10 compared to the last election in 2022. Still, Netanyahu’s Likud party is expected to be the biggest in the parliament.
No clear path for the challenger: Eisenkot’s opposition bloc is now projected to get 47 seats in the Knesset, 14 short of the majority. To govern, he would likely need to rely on the support of Israel’s Arab parties, a long-standing political taboo among most Jewish parties. Still, Eisenkot framed his result as a win, saying “the public has voted for change.”
Arab parties surge: The two parties representing Arab citizens of Israel, Ra’am and the Joint List, are set to secure about 17 seats – the highest ever. Arab voters make up about 20% of the Israeli electorate, but have traditionally voted at lower rates than Jewish Israelis. This time around, they showed up in huge numbers.
Record turnout: Nearly 5.7 million voters cast their ballot out of approximately 7.3 million eligible voters on Election Day – meaning a turnout of 77.7%, the highest percentage since 1999, according to the Central Elections Committee.
What’s next: Once the count it finalized, the political horse trading will begin. The president will talk to the elected parties and then ask the person who has the best chance of building a viable coalition to form a government. They’d have six weeks to cobble together a majority and if they fail, the runner-up will be invited to try. If they can’t do it either, and if the Knesset cannot put forth another candidate, Israel could hold elections all over again.
The story of this election seems to be Netanyahu’s resilience and the huge turnout by the Arab parties.
Netanyahu technically didn’t win, but I think we can confidently say the opposition was defeated, unfortunately. Not only did they not get an outright majority but their other strategy of forming a minority government is out too. They don’t have the votes to form a coalition with the moderate Arab party (Ra’am) and they won’t form a government with the Arab antizionist parties.
Either there’s going to be another vote or Netanyahu will continue as PM with someone defecting to his camp or forming a national unity government
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On October 29 2026 04:06 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2026 00:08 Billyboy wrote:It’s strange to me how even during a very major current event that could reshape the region, or keep it the same is completely ignored well the never ending and unsolvable, pointless argument about who’s at fault rages on. For those interested in the election I’ll spoiler a summary from cnn. The tldr is Netanyahu and friends lost enough seats that they are no longer a majority but not enough to make the rival a majority either. Arab parties surged and could have a major role in the next government if either of the two coalitions are willing to work with them and vice versa. Or it will likely be more elections. This also had the largest turnout since 1999. + Show Spoiler + Israeli election officials are still counting the votes cast in yesterday’s parliamentary election. With almost 80% counted, Israel seems set for a political deadlock. Neither Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu nor his main rival, ex-military chief Gadi Eisenkot, have the 61 seats needed for a governing majority in the 120-seat parliament, the Knesset.
Here’s the latest:
Netanyahu defiant despite losses: The incumbent prime minister said his bloc had the support of a “decisive majority among the Zionist and Jewish public.” The right-wing grouping is set to take 54 seats, a loss of 10 compared to the last election in 2022. Still, Netanyahu’s Likud party is expected to be the biggest in the parliament.
No clear path for the challenger: Eisenkot’s opposition bloc is now projected to get 47 seats in the Knesset, 14 short of the majority. To govern, he would likely need to rely on the support of Israel’s Arab parties, a long-standing political taboo among most Jewish parties. Still, Eisenkot framed his result as a win, saying “the public has voted for change.”
Arab parties surge: The two parties representing Arab citizens of Israel, Ra’am and the Joint List, are set to secure about 17 seats – the highest ever. Arab voters make up about 20% of the Israeli electorate, but have traditionally voted at lower rates than Jewish Israelis. This time around, they showed up in huge numbers.
Record turnout: Nearly 5.7 million voters cast their ballot out of approximately 7.3 million eligible voters on Election Day – meaning a turnout of 77.7%, the highest percentage since 1999, according to the Central Elections Committee.
What’s next: Once the count it finalized, the political horse trading will begin. The president will talk to the elected parties and then ask the person who has the best chance of building a viable coalition to form a government. They’d have six weeks to cobble together a majority and if they fail, the runner-up will be invited to try. If they can’t do it either, and if the Knesset cannot put forth another candidate, Israel could hold elections all over again. The story of this election seems to be Netanyahu’s resilience and the huge turnout by the Arab parties. Netanyahu technically didn’t win, but I think we can confidently say the opposition was defeated, unfortunately. Not only did they not get an outright majority but their other strategy of forming a minority government is out too. They don’t have the votes to form a coalition with the moderate Arab party (Ra’am) and they won’t form a government with the Arab antizionist parties. Either there’s going to be another vote or Netanyahu will continue as PM with someone defecting to his camp or forming a national unity government
Depends on whose opinion you take. Some agree with you, and they tend to be right leaning. Others say it was a huge blow that he dropped so many seats down into minority territory along with the big gain by the Arab parties.
He did lose less than expected from the polling and that is a bit of win, but a security based “strong man” losing many seats during an on going security crisis is not a great sign.
He does survive, and won’t end up in jail. At least not u til the next election, which is looking to be just around the corner.
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Demographically speaking, it looks like Israel's never going to have a secular government again. The ~40% of the country that doesn't want to coalesce with Netanyahu, Haredi, or Arabs is probably never going to be able to form a majority without at least one of them.
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On October 29 2026 04:34 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2026 04:06 RJGooner wrote:On October 29 2026 00:08 Billyboy wrote:It’s strange to me how even during a very major current event that could reshape the region, or keep it the same is completely ignored well the never ending and unsolvable, pointless argument about who’s at fault rages on. For those interested in the election I’ll spoiler a summary from cnn. The tldr is Netanyahu and friends lost enough seats that they are no longer a majority but not enough to make the rival a majority either. Arab parties surged and could have a major role in the next government if either of the two coalitions are willing to work with them and vice versa. Or it will likely be more elections. This also had the largest turnout since 1999. + Show Spoiler + Israeli election officials are still counting the votes cast in yesterday’s parliamentary election. With almost 80% counted, Israel seems set for a political deadlock. Neither Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu nor his main rival, ex-military chief Gadi Eisenkot, have the 61 seats needed for a governing majority in the 120-seat parliament, the Knesset.
Here’s the latest:
Netanyahu defiant despite losses: The incumbent prime minister said his bloc had the support of a “decisive majority among the Zionist and Jewish public.” The right-wing grouping is set to take 54 seats, a loss of 10 compared to the last election in 2022. Still, Netanyahu’s Likud party is expected to be the biggest in the parliament.
No clear path for the challenger: Eisenkot’s opposition bloc is now projected to get 47 seats in the Knesset, 14 short of the majority. To govern, he would likely need to rely on the support of Israel’s Arab parties, a long-standing political taboo among most Jewish parties. Still, Eisenkot framed his result as a win, saying “the public has voted for change.”
Arab parties surge: The two parties representing Arab citizens of Israel, Ra’am and the Joint List, are set to secure about 17 seats – the highest ever. Arab voters make up about 20% of the Israeli electorate, but have traditionally voted at lower rates than Jewish Israelis. This time around, they showed up in huge numbers.
Record turnout: Nearly 5.7 million voters cast their ballot out of approximately 7.3 million eligible voters on Election Day – meaning a turnout of 77.7%, the highest percentage since 1999, according to the Central Elections Committee.
What’s next: Once the count it finalized, the political horse trading will begin. The president will talk to the elected parties and then ask the person who has the best chance of building a viable coalition to form a government. They’d have six weeks to cobble together a majority and if they fail, the runner-up will be invited to try. If they can’t do it either, and if the Knesset cannot put forth another candidate, Israel could hold elections all over again. The story of this election seems to be Netanyahu’s resilience and the huge turnout by the Arab parties. Netanyahu technically didn’t win, but I think we can confidently say the opposition was defeated, unfortunately. Not only did they not get an outright majority but their other strategy of forming a minority government is out too. They don’t have the votes to form a coalition with the moderate Arab party (Ra’am) and they won’t form a government with the Arab antizionist parties. Either there’s going to be another vote or Netanyahu will continue as PM with someone defecting to his camp or forming a national unity government Depends on whose opinion you take. Some agree with you, and they tend to be right leaning. Others say it was a huge blow that he dropped so many seats down into minority territory along with the big gain by the Arab parties. He did lose less than expected from the polling and that is a bit of win, but a security based “strong man” losing many seats during an on going security crisis is not a great sign. He does survive, and won’t end up in jail. At least not u til the next election, which is looking to be just around the corner.
He did lose 10 seats or so which is significant. The problem is the opposition has very little room for maneuver right now and a second election doesn’t look like it would change much which means he’s PM either because of a deal or because he’s a caretaker PM
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On October 29 2026 05:08 RJGooner wrote:Show nested quote +On October 29 2026 04:34 Billyboy wrote:On October 29 2026 04:06 RJGooner wrote:On October 29 2026 00:08 Billyboy wrote:It’s strange to me how even during a very major current event that could reshape the region, or keep it the same is completely ignored well the never ending and unsolvable, pointless argument about who’s at fault rages on. For those interested in the election I’ll spoiler a summary from cnn. The tldr is Netanyahu and friends lost enough seats that they are no longer a majority but not enough to make the rival a majority either. Arab parties surged and could have a major role in the next government if either of the two coalitions are willing to work with them and vice versa. Or it will likely be more elections. This also had the largest turnout since 1999. + Show Spoiler + Israeli election officials are still counting the votes cast in yesterday’s parliamentary election. With almost 80% counted, Israel seems set for a political deadlock. Neither Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu nor his main rival, ex-military chief Gadi Eisenkot, have the 61 seats needed for a governing majority in the 120-seat parliament, the Knesset.
Here’s the latest:
Netanyahu defiant despite losses: The incumbent prime minister said his bloc had the support of a “decisive majority among the Zionist and Jewish public.” The right-wing grouping is set to take 54 seats, a loss of 10 compared to the last election in 2022. Still, Netanyahu’s Likud party is expected to be the biggest in the parliament.
No clear path for the challenger: Eisenkot’s opposition bloc is now projected to get 47 seats in the Knesset, 14 short of the majority. To govern, he would likely need to rely on the support of Israel’s Arab parties, a long-standing political taboo among most Jewish parties. Still, Eisenkot framed his result as a win, saying “the public has voted for change.”
Arab parties surge: The two parties representing Arab citizens of Israel, Ra’am and the Joint List, are set to secure about 17 seats – the highest ever. Arab voters make up about 20% of the Israeli electorate, but have traditionally voted at lower rates than Jewish Israelis. This time around, they showed up in huge numbers.
Record turnout: Nearly 5.7 million voters cast their ballot out of approximately 7.3 million eligible voters on Election Day – meaning a turnout of 77.7%, the highest percentage since 1999, according to the Central Elections Committee.
What’s next: Once the count it finalized, the political horse trading will begin. The president will talk to the elected parties and then ask the person who has the best chance of building a viable coalition to form a government. They’d have six weeks to cobble together a majority and if they fail, the runner-up will be invited to try. If they can’t do it either, and if the Knesset cannot put forth another candidate, Israel could hold elections all over again. The story of this election seems to be Netanyahu’s resilience and the huge turnout by the Arab parties. Netanyahu technically didn’t win, but I think we can confidently say the opposition was defeated, unfortunately. Not only did they not get an outright majority but their other strategy of forming a minority government is out too. They don’t have the votes to form a coalition with the moderate Arab party (Ra’am) and they won’t form a government with the Arab antizionist parties. Either there’s going to be another vote or Netanyahu will continue as PM with someone defecting to his camp or forming a national unity government Depends on whose opinion you take. Some agree with you, and they tend to be right leaning. Others say it was a huge blow that he dropped so many seats down into minority territory along with the big gain by the Arab parties. He did lose less than expected from the polling and that is a bit of win, but a security based “strong man” losing many seats during an on going security crisis is not a great sign. He does survive, and won’t end up in jail. At least not u til the next election, which is looking to be just around the corner. He did lose 10 seats or so which is significant. The problem is the opposition has very little room for maneuver right now and a second election doesn’t look like it would change much which means he’s PM either because of a deal or because he’s a caretaker PM
Yes, it looks like he will remain in power, though it will be somewhat muted. It’s too bad that it is looking less and less likely that he will ever face any consequences for his crimes.
On October 29 2026 04:40 LightSpectra wrote:
Demographically speaking, it looks like Israel's never going to have a secular government again. The ~40% of the country that doesn't want to coalesce with Netanyahu, Haredi, or Arabs is probably never going to be able to form a majority without at least one of them.
Never is a long time!
I think there will be some big changes as that happens. There is more and more people getting mad about the religious exemptions for military service and that will become a bigger and bigger issue as that group grows and is the one calling for the most military action.
My hope is that the more moderate Israeli Jews start to work with the moderate Arabs. Seems like the best chance for an Israel that can be what many people hope Israel could be instead of what it currently is.
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I wonder how the Israeli Apartheid crowd is coping with Arab turnout in Israel denying Netanyahu a governing majority and perhaps sending Israel to a second election.
It’s a shame that there isn’t enough moderate Arab strength to join the opposition.
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How many Arabs in Israeli-occupied West Bank and Gaza got to vote vs. how many settlers? Or is asking that question "cope"?
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