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On August 30 2022 04:11 BlackJack wrote: I think it's obviously true that many people can't properly take care of themselves. In fact if there is any one thing that everyone in this thread can agree on it's that many people can't make the correct decisions for their health. The debate is how far we should go to get people to make the correct decisions.
Circling back to this - this weekend a city here is closing all the open spaces - parks, hiking trails because of a heat wave. It's noon right now and it's a crisp 88° F (31° C). Much too dangerous to go outside. Really brings back memories where they closed down all the beaches and hiking trails and outdoor activities and wrapped caution tape around all the picnic tables and playgrounds. Far too dangerous to go outside during COVID, must safer for everyone to huddle together indoors. Thanks, nanny state.
On August 30 2022 04:11 BlackJack wrote: I think it's obviously true that many people can't properly take care of themselves. In fact if there is any one thing that everyone in this thread can agree on it's that many people can't make the correct decisions for their health. The debate is how far we should go to get people to make the correct decisions.
Circling back to this - this weekend a city here is closing all the open spaces - parks, hiking trails because of a heat wave. It's noon right now and it's a crisp 88° F (31° C). Much too dangerous to go outside. Really brings back memories where they closed down all the beaches and hiking trails and outdoor activities and wrapped caution tape around all the picnic tables and playgrounds. Far too dangerous to go outside during COVID, must safer for everyone to huddle together indoors. Thanks, nanny state.
I'm confused a little and I hope I don't have the right answer but I also just gotta ask. How do you think Covid and other diseases spread? Is the bolded line sarcasm and you don't think people interacting out doors would have spread covid?
President Joe Biden has declared the pandemic over in the US, even as the number of Americans who have died from Covid continues to rise.
"We're still doing a lot of work on it. But the pandemic is over," said Mr Biden in a television interview. Statistics show that over 400 Americans on average are dying from the virus each day.
The head of the World Health Organization (WHO) said last week that the end of the pandemic was "in sight".
Hey i have a question for you people from US. We are most likely traveling to US (Arizona) on December, from Finland. Can anyone give a quick answer on the vaccination policies US enforces on foreign travelers, what do you need to have etc?
Or if not, where could i find relevant information about that? The only thing i can find is this: + Show Spoiler +
Are you Fully Vaccinated for Air Travel to the United States?
You are considered fully vaccinated:
2 weeks (14 days) after your dose of an accepted single-dose vaccine 2 weeks (14 days) after your second dose of an accepted 2-dose series 2 weeks (14 days) after you received the full series of an accepted COVID-19 vaccine (not placebo) in a clinical trial 2 weeks (14 days) after you received 2 doses of any “mix-and-match” combination of accepted COVID-19 vaccines administered at least 17 days apart*
If you don’t meet these requirements, you are NOT considered fully vaccinated. A booster dose is not needed to meet this requirement.
A person who has received only one dose of an accepted 2-dose series and has recovered from COVID-19 does not meet this definition, and therefore is NOT considered fully vaccinated for travel to the United States.
*CDC has not recommended the use of mix-and-match COVID-19 vaccine primary series. However, such strategies are increasingly common in many countries outside of the United States. Therefore, for the purpose of interpreting vaccination records for travel to the United States, CDC will accept combinations of accepted COVID-19 vaccines.
I can't tell if a person traveling from where i am needs to have two or three vaccinations, and which are "legit" and which are not.
You need two doses of a vaccination on the approved list for the United states. the four approved are Pfizer,Moderna, Novavax, and the J&J vaccine.
They need to have been administered 17 days apart and your vaccinated status starts 14 days after the second dose. You'll need to look for your countries method of documenting vaccine schedules.
On September 23 2022 12:33 Sermokala wrote: You need two doses of a vaccination on the approved list for the United states. the four approved are Pfizer,Moderna, Novavax, and the J&J vaccine.
They need to have been administered 17 days apart and your vaccinated status starts 14 days after the second dose. You'll need to look for your countries method of documenting vaccine schedules.
On September 25 2022 23:37 GoTuNk! wrote: My country finally dropping almost all restrictions by sept 30.
Basically the same in Canada. I've got my 4th shot today, no side effects so far. I think life is back to "normal" beyond the change to wfh for me and my circle now.
Everyone is entrenched in their positions on all sides this far into the pandemic, so all you can do is manage your own circle. 4th doses aren't particularly popular right now, so it's basically free for all walk-in from what I can tell.
On September 21 2022 15:55 Mikau313 wrote: Cue a bunch of people who conflate "the pandemic is over" with "covid doesn't infect and kill anymore".
400 deaths in the US a day might be statistically insignificant, they're still 400 people that largely didn't need to die.
By this line of thinking, you are giving COVID-19 related deaths a very special moral treatment which I find irrational.
There are a multitude of conditions which cause thousands of deaths every year. Ironically, COVID-19 and all their sub variants have not caused more deaths than smoking does in a single year.
Once Covid numbers are comparable to seasonal flu, we should treat it the same way. The death numbers are quickly declining in the US.
On September 21 2022 15:55 Mikau313 wrote: Cue a bunch of people who conflate "the pandemic is over" with "covid doesn't infect and kill anymore".
400 deaths in the US a day might be statistically insignificant, they're still 400 people that largely didn't need to die.
By this line of thinking, you are giving COVID-19 related deaths a very special moral treatment which I find irrational.
There are a multitude of conditions which cause thousands of deaths every year. Ironically, COVID-19 and all their sub variants have not caused more deaths than smoking does in a single year.
Once Covid numbers are comparable to seasonal flu, we should treat it the same way. The death numbers are quickly declining in the US.
Freaking out is not healthy.
I always love it when the smoking argument gets brought up, because we get increasingly strict regulations on what you can smoke and where every year to prevent smoking related deaths. We, as a society, do a LOT to try and prevent smoking deaths and illnesses.
The way we treat smoking is an argument for stricter covid-related measures, not less strict.
And I'm not arguing for strict measures at this point in the pandemic (or post pandemic). I'm saying we should still be aware of the fact that Covid is here and is killing people, and act with common sense accordingly.
“Was the Pfizer Covid vaccine tested on stopping the transmission of the virus before it entered the market?” Mr Roos asked.
“If not, please say it clearly. If yes, are you willing to share the data with this committee? And I really want a straight answer, yes or no, and I’m looking forward to it.” "
Ms Small:
“Regarding the question around, um, did we know about stopping the immunisation [sic] before it entered the market? No, heh,” she said.
“Uh, these, um, you know, we had to really move at the speed of science to really understand what is taking place in the market, and from that point of view we had to do everything at risk. I think Dr Bourla, even though he’s not here, would turn around and say to you himself, ‘If not us then who?’”
Bolded: Seems like situation of the market >>> research
Seems an entirely reasonable statement if you don't go in looking for wrong things. The market, aka literally everyone, was clambering for something that would reduce Covid deaths, perfection is the enemy of progress.
Would you preferred that there had been no vaccine on the promise that maybe some day in the undetermined future their might be a better one? Hell no.
Whether or not Pfizer was tested for stopping transmission doesn't matter to its deployment, with or without that data Pfizer had the best vaccine available to prevent Covid deaths and ignoring that is just trying to score political points with the sceptics through a failed use of hindsight.
Never mind the people that lost jobs and their human rights, because of the "COVID passes", that were implemented on the basis of claims, that the vaccines prevented transmission. Now it turns out that these claims, at least in the beginning, were completely baseless.
On October 13 2022 23:30 Vinekh wrote: Never mind the people that lost jobs and their human rights, because of the "COVID passes", that were implemented on the basis of claims, that the vaccines prevented transmission. Now it turns out that these claims, at least in the beginning, were completely baseless.
Thats not why the lockdowns happened. They happened from the start to stop deaths by stopping the hospital system from being overwhelmed.
The basis for why we had the lockdowns were based in science and were proven correct.
Also the dead lost their jobs and human rights. As well to a lesser degree those that suffered from long covid. If we had a president that believed in science over politics like you seem to do we would have had less people lose their jobs and human rights.
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