South American Politics thread - Page 28

In several appeals and in a communication filed with the UN Human Rights Committee in July 2016 we have proved, by means of countless pieces of evidence, that in Operation Car Wash the Prosecutors and former Judge Sergio Moro worked together with pre-established purpose and clear political motivation in order to prosecute, convict, and imprison former President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. The news piece issued by “The Intercept” discloses details of this plot which we have denounced in all the documents we filed on Lula’s behalf based on the evidence produced during the investigations, the procedure, and the out-of-court behavior of the Car Wash Prosecutors and of former Judge Sergio Moro.

The politically motivated actions of the prosecutors alongside the presiding former Judge have subjected Lula and his family to a myriad of arbitrary acts. Several other gross illegalities should be added to this landscape, such as the wiretap of our law firm’s main telephone landline done with the sole purpose of following closely our defense strategies, besides other acts that were intimidating and had the clear purpose of making the former President’s defense unfeasible.

There is no question the procedures against former President Lula are tainted by extremely serious issues when it comes to violations of fundamental guarantees and denial of one’s rights. Lula should be released immediately and the courts should recognize once and for all that he has not committed any crime and that he has been a victim of “lawfare,” which is the manipulation of the law and legal procedures for political persecution purposes.

On June 12 2019 11:20 JimmiC wrote:
I'm just shocked that article about her defense is going to make her look innocent. I tend to get my reading done on the subject not direct from the accused defense. No shit the far right did well when the left gets caught with this level of corruption it is bound to happen.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jun/01/brazil-operation-car-wash-is-this-the-biggest-corruption-scandal-in-history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Car_Wash

On June 12 2019 11:56 JimmiC wrote:

My apologies, have you read much about this debacle? The corruption bleed s into venezuela amongst others. Or to you do the facts even matter since one guy claims to be left, the other is right, why did deeper?

On June 12 2019 12:20 JimmiC wrote:

Pronouns dont change what went on, nor am I willing to put much effort with yoir history. Were still waiting for you to explain hiw it was worse before Chavez than it is now. Figured if you were back it was for something related to that gem nit some fluff piece written by a corrupt officials defense team. But it fits your conspiricy goto of choice. Some innocent person who claims to be left get caugt in massive corruption. Must be a right wing conspricy, with the us at fault.

Sérgio Moro (Bolsonaro appoints judge who helped jail Lula to lead justice ministry) gave prosecutors strategic advice, criticism and tips during the sprawling corruption investigation known as Operation Car Wash that jailed hundreds of executives, politicians and middlemen.

Prosecutors also allegedly discussed strategies to block a newspaper’s attempts to interview Lula during last year’s election campaign, according to the Intercept, which published cellphone chats it said it had received from an anonymous source.


Bolsonaro appoints judge who helped jail Lula to lead justice ministry

Opinion polls had indicated that Lula was likely to win the 2018 presidential poll until he was imprisoned and forced out of the race. His last-minute replacement, Fernando Haddad was beaten by the far-right candidate Jair Bolsonaro – who then appointed Moro as justice minister.

Lula has been imprisoned since April 2018. He was handed a nine-year prison sentence in 2017 by Moro, who ruled that he received bribes from a construction company in the shape of a seaside apartment renovated for him.

the Intercept published excerpts from what it described as an “enormous trove” of group chats on the encrypted phone app Telegram, along with audio, video and other documentation.

Excerpts of conversations between prosecutors on the Telegram cellphone app appear to show Deltan Dallagnol, the lead prosecutor in the Car Wash investigation, expressing doubts over the strength of the case against Lula in September 2016, four days before filing the indictment.

Other messages appeared to show that during the election campaign, prosecutors schemed against a decision by a supreme court judge to allow Brazil’s Folha de S Paulo newspaper to interview Lula in jail because it could help his Workers’ party’s electoral chances.

“The judge’s relationship with prosecutors is scandalous,” said the Intercept Brasil’s executive editor, Leandro Demori. “This is illegal under Brazilian law.”

On June 12 2019 23:19 JimmiC wrote:
I was on a lot of meds last night so I shut her down and figured I would reread today.

So is it your thought that Lula and the 100's of other politicians and private employees and owners were not corrupt and didn't do what they are accused of?

Or is it that this a fruit of a poison tree sort of thing. Like they did all that but they shouldn't be prosecuted because things like due process were not followed?

More seriously, the messages show clear collusion between a judge and prosecutors to convict those involved in the operation.

...immediate implications — such as the possible reversal of convictions and the political impact to Moro and to President Jair Bolsonaro’s plans to appoint him to the Supreme Court...

On June 13 2019 00:57 JimmiC wrote:
I get that, and I hope that if once all the information is out whoever was behind this corruption gets punished (and that Bolsonaro is out either way since a bunch of his popularity was based on him "not being corrupt" and fixing it.

But it still looks like Lula and all the others caught up in operation car wash were also corrupt and stealing billions. Here is to hoping that between that and this a whole bunch of corruption gets taken out of the system.

It is too bad they can't get Maduro on the same charges but sadly he owns the judiciary.

On June 13 2019 01:18 JimmiC wrote:
The west is forced to deal with whoever the people vote in.

I'm not sure what you mean for back other than that. I know Canada is not super happy with Bolsonaro. Trump probably is, most Dems probably not.

I'll be interested to see more what comes out of this, but I hope it is not Lula back in charge

unless it is shown that he was in fact not corrupt.

Whereas everything I have read is more that it was a illegal investigation not that he was not corrupt. That can obviously change as this is new info.

On June 13 2019 02:42 JimmiC wrote:
No one is removing Maduro by force other than in your head. This has been been proven by time, odd that you still think it is a reality.

Second it looks like Lula was corrupt as hell. That it was politically motivated and unconstitutional (perhaps) doesn't make that he was stealing from his country in the billions any less true, nor does it of the 100's of other people arrested many who have admitted to there part, and many of them "evil" capitalists. So I was interested to see if your view of justice was equal to those who claim to be left and those who are right. But probably best if you do crawl back in your hole instead since you still are living in magic land where facts don't matter and what you say is true because it is.


Also, the hilarious hypocrisy of you saying "mind your business" then being upset about Brazil leadership is pretty great. Maybe you should mind your business and just let them do whatever no matter the cost? Oh wait, that is not a good plan... go figure.

On June 13 2019 04:58 JimmiC wrote:
It is pretty interesting that they spend all this time in these articles about the motivations for the inquiries and whether they were legal or not. But I have yet to read that the people prosecuted were not guilty. Which is pretty hard to feel good about since these documents were also recovered by illegal means and likely politically motivated. You get into ends justifying the means pretty quickly.

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It will be interesting as people pour throw all these documents to see if that was the case, or I think more likely that there are bunch of other people who were also corrupt but avoided prosecution for political reasons.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/10/world/americas/brazil-car-wash-lava-jato.html