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TLADT24920 Posts
Aside from some videos here and there, I don't believe I ever watched much of his videos back then. Still, it's a loss to the SCII community nonetheless.
On August 13 2018 23:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
No, we just got to accept that there is a hidden rule that we can't really criticise sc2 media personalities, or at the least if we do, the odds will be stacked against the poster if that sc2 media personality or mods weigh in. An by stacked I mean mod action. We just got to accept that whilst you can freely speak your mind in real life, we cannot on TL. All it'll take is one mod to be offended. To invite others to do so in TL, is just to ask them to give themselves an opportunity to be moderated.
None of this has anything to do with Husky though. Husky never acted in a particularily offensive manner, so it's quite sad that essentially a part of SC2 history and videos are now closed to us forever. I enjoyed quite a few of his videos.
If you have concerns about TL moderation, please take it to website feedback. Not really the best thread for this.
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I like that people delete social media accounts if they don't use it anymore. There are plenty facebook/instagram accounts that hasn't been updated (not a single post/picture) for 1+years.
I deleted many accounts when I don't use it anymore. I am sure there are many TL accounts that are offline for 1+ years.
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Are the Nerd Alert songs gone too ???? Those were the best !
and as far Husky goes , he has no respect for his fan base. If he wanted to quit sc2 casting and work on his career with Ro I don't think anyone would fault him for it , especially his fans and sc2 community at large.
He just disappeared to do that without dropping a retirement video, a tweet , a facebook post, anything to indicate that he is moving away from sc2 and perhaps thank you note for the support......but no , he doesn't believe his fans who stood by him for years deserve any of that shit and I think that's very disrespectful , again I don't believe any of his fans would've faulted him for droping sc2 casting to help with Ro and his career.
Note: I know some people will argue that person X in general doesn't owe fans anything , but I disagree , its a matter of principle.
But im not gonna lie , he had some damn GREAT casts , his presence in the beginning was really good for sc2 , cant deny that.
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I don't think there ever was any "offensive" material on his channel, I don't get why people are assuming he deleted it because he was fearing for his carreer? Is there any evidence to this or are people just wild guessing? Don't think this thread needs to derail even further because of these assumptions...
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On August 13 2018 23:38 Dingodile wrote:
I like that people delete social media accounts if they don't use it anymore. There are plenty facebook/instagram accounts that hasn't been updated (not a single post/picture) for 1+years.
I deleted many accounts when I don't use it anymore. I am sure there are many TL accounts that are offline for 1+ years.
The only thing I find confusing is that, I assume, these old-videos still create some form of revenue. Obviously they're not getting hundreds of thousands of views anymore, but aren't people still watching legacy content?
Anyways, he must have decided his time and peace of mind are worth more than those couple of hundred bucks a year.
No hard feelings at any rate.
On August 13 2018 23:46 HsDLTitich wrote:
I don't think there ever was any "offensive" material on his channel, I don't get why people are assuming he deleted it because he was fearing for his carreer? Is there any evidence to this or are people just wild guessing? Don't think this thread needs to derail even further because of these assumptions...
Because you're judging his 2010 content by 2010 standards, which obviously isn't the way it's done anymore.
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On August 13 2018 23:10 brickrd wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2018 23:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Are you really asking someone to post to describe the personality flaws of TB, when TL cracks down pretty hard on such especially now that he is deceased? personally i try to be respectful when i post about criticisms of TB, and i understand that his recent passing changes the rules, but i don't like the idea of it being permanently off-limits to even suggest that he may have been a flawed person. i would understand if a mod came in and said "no TB criticism chat so soon after his death," but if one of his main patron communities can never ever have an open discussion about who he was as a person then it's not much of a community.
The thing is honestly that a lot of TL posters are ignorant in the sense that they only see and know one side of TB (that in which he interacted with the StarCraft scene) and his detractors here on TL tend to tunnel vision on that obsessively while ignoring everything else about him.
What do you think there is to say about his "personality" that hasn't already been said? The man has admitted publicly, many times in the past, of all his various character flaws and what toll interacting with trolls and detractors on social media has taken on him. It's all there in the public eye, it's always been there, there's nothing new under the sun. Would it really give you that much satisfaction to reiterate what we all already know and what he has never tried to hide from his audience or the public at large?
Instead, if you have even one ounce of good faith and aren't just flamebaiting here with your offtopic, I would genuinely and sincerely suggest that you educate yourself as to what good he and his channel did to gaming outside of StarCraft.
I discovered TB through his StarCraft content and though I didn't care much for his casting at the time, nor for his playing, I did care for the majority of his YouTube content. Because he was the first YouTuber of any significant size whose content catered to me as a PC gamer, whose content catered to me as a rational, adult gamer, as someone who isn't easily entertained by teenagers screaming over footage of Amnesia: The Dark Descent or by some blithering imbecile screaming and cursing into the camera. And the longer I followed him the more aware and confident he became in the fact that he caters to a mature audience and not to kids, and as a result the more mature and thorough his approach and content became.
He was the first notable gaming pundit or YouTuber to thoroughly and explicitly dissect notions of journalistic integrity in gaming, to advocate for consumer rights in gaming to a large degree, to call out companies and other entities whenever they did things that were insidiously against consumer interests. Not to mention the fact that many of his videos on more serious topics within the industry simply advocated for and epitomized good old critical thinking, oft forgotten in the slag pits of NeoGAF, GameFAQs and /r/games. He didn't just do these things, his video essays and the discussions he had and moderated on his podcast were so thorough and structured in such a way that it was impossible for a reasonable gaming enthusiast not to understand why X thing is wrong, or why it is wrong in this exact situation but maybe not always, or why Y thing is actually preferable most of the time. It seems like nothing from a real life perspective and when compared to other industries and whatnot, I agree, but in gaming at the time and on YouTube at the time it was something that was sorely, conspicuously needed. And he was the first to rise to the occasion, and delivered such that the vast majority of his critical content and punditry is immaculate.
All this while most gaming YouTubers were shitting up 420-part Let's Play Minecraft series or heavily edited YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO BELIEVE HOW SCARY THIS GAME IS videos. And taking money for promoting games, without disclosing the fact that they were paid to do it.
As an actual critic, he had the rare gift of being able to understand and explain why a game was good or had good things going for it even if it was a game that he didn't enjoy, or even if it was in a genre that he fundamentally disliked. You could still watch those videos and walk away knowing whether or not the game would be worth buying for you or not, rather than a disappointed "meh what a dumbass he thinks it's bad just because he's bad at this kind of game" like with 99% of others at the time.
Not to mention for how long he tried (and succeeded) to champion and showcase interesting indie games on his channel. Even though a glowing review for a genuinely wonderful indie game would more often than not get 3-6 times less views than a middling, critical review of Far Cry 69: The New One. In fact he's made many choices over the years basically turning down easy money that many other (including bigger) YouTubers wouldn't pass up just so he could stay true to his audience. Just another example of integrity.
And make no mistake his coverage of indie games has helped push and expose to a wider audience many of them, including what would eventually snowball into F2P juggernauts like Warframe and Path of Exile. Not to mention how many smaller, more niche indies got a big boost in sales and activity from his videos. Hell there have been studios who have openly admitted that if it hadn't been for his video of their game they would've had to shut down.
His contributions were acknowledged not just by dev studios and big companies, not just by his peers and collaborators, but his influence lives on in a new generation of YouTube gaming pundit channels. People like SuperBunnyhop, SidAlpha, ACG, Idiotech, Joseph Anderson and many more who have been very open about how much he's influenced them and their content. Many of whom he's even reached out to and helped signal boost using his own audience.
It's easy to overlook all of that when all you know is that he hosted and casted SC2 tournaments and maybe he was a dick to you in that one thread. Well tough shit, this community acts like complete asses to almost all our personalities, like Geoff said and did in the caster feedback thread, why should he take shit from complete wastes of space who do nothing but shit on others and contribute nothing?
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On August 13 2018 23:46 HsDLTitich wrote:
I don't think there ever was any "offensive" material on his channel, I don't get why people are assuming he deleted it because he was fearing for his carreer? Is there any evidence to this or are people just wild guessing? Don't think this thread needs to derail even further because of these assumptions...
It's pretty much the only speculations that's at all within the realm of possibility. I also don't remember him ever saying or acting in an inappropriate way, but I think again in light of recent events such fears may be justified. Better safe than sorry, never know what complete lunatic is going to completely misrepresent you years down the line and to what end.
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On August 13 2018 23:54 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2018 23:10 brickrd wrote:On August 13 2018 23:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Are you really asking someone to post to describe the personality flaws of TB, when TL cracks down pretty hard on such especially now that he is deceased? personally i try to be respectful when i post about criticisms of TB, and i understand that his recent passing changes the rules, but i don't like the idea of it being permanently off-limits to even suggest that he may have been a flawed person. i would understand if a mod came in and said "no TB criticism chat so soon after his death," but if one of his main patron communities can never ever have an open discussion about who he was as a person then it's not much of a community. Long wall of text fellating TB
I agree with 100% of this, but people keep forgetting that on top of all his other achievements, he arguably convinced From Software to bring Dark Souls to the PC. His 500k petition made them release one of PC gaming's most wonderful titles to date and somehow that's merely a bullet point in the long list of awesome stuff that came out of the guy.
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Canada8989 Posts
Well this got out of hand quiclky...
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I only care about him deleting his music videos. They had like 20 millions views combined?
Why.....
What if Temp0 suddenly closed his channel? I hope somebody has copies of those songs.
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On August 13 2018 23:37 BigFan wrote:Aside from some videos here and there, I don't believe I ever watched much of his videos back then. Still, it's a loss to the SCII community nonetheless. Show nested quote +On August 13 2018 23:20 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
No, we just got to accept that there is a hidden rule that we can't really criticise sc2 media personalities, or at the least if we do, the odds will be stacked against the poster if that sc2 media personality or mods weigh in. An by stacked I mean mod action. We just got to accept that whilst you can freely speak your mind in real life, we cannot on TL. All it'll take is one mod to be offended. To invite others to do so in TL, is just to ask them to give themselves an opportunity to be moderated.
None of this has anything to do with Husky though. Husky never acted in a particularily offensive manner, so it's quite sad that essentially a part of SC2 history and videos are now closed to us forever. I enjoyed quite a few of his videos. If you have concerns about TL moderation, please take it to website feedback. Not really the best thread for this. It's been taken to website feedback many times, sometimes by me, sometimes by others; it's done and gone. The unofficial official line is that the benefit of attracting major sc2 media personalities to TL is more than outwieghed if they act in a contemptible manner. Any mod action done on them will for the most part be invisible and not public. I understand the reasoning so I don't know why TL staff don't make it properly official to be honest and would solve a lot of angst and discussion whenever it comes up.It's hard to have a related discussion, when the response is always to take it somewhere else, where it can be dismissed away from context. But I agree, this is not the best place for it, so I shall not say anymore..
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Thanks for the content Husky.
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On August 13 2018 23:55 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2018 23:46 HsDLTitich wrote:
I don't think there ever was any "offensive" material on his channel, I don't get why people are assuming he deleted it because he was fearing for his carreer? Is there any evidence to this or are people just wild guessing? Don't think this thread needs to derail even further because of these assumptions... It's pretty much the only speculations that's at all within the realm of possibility. I also don't remember him ever saying or acting in an inappropriate way, but I think again in light of recent events such fears may be justified. Better safe than sorry, never know what complete lunatic is going to completely misrepresent you years down the line and to what end.
Yes, it seems like a reasonable explanation. Times change, and things that were okay in 2008 might not be okay in 2018, or 2028. That is generally not a problem if you do the stuff that is okay when you do it, but videos are timeless. So if you did something in 2008 that was okay then, but is not okay anymore, and someone digs that up in 2018 you might have a problem.
Just imagine you used to use "gay" as a negative descriptor. That was very common in 2008, and you might not have thought anything bad by it either. But in 2018 this is pretty offensive, because times has changed and the realization has set in that that is pretty offensive towards gay people.
And even if it is not something offensive, maybe it is just something that really doesn't fit the image you want to project nowadays. Imagine being judged by how you appeared as a 15 year old.
I am pretty happy that there is no gigantic video library of 15-year old me around that people that i have contact with now can watch.
And i must say that i am slightly annoyed at the people who appear to think that just because they watch someones videos they have some kind of ownership over them. You are a consumer. You consume free content. This is best seen as no obligation from either side. Just watch the videos while you enjoy them. You can even give feedback, and sure, you can say "I do not watch x anymore because of y". But do not claim that x is a traitor because he no longer does y. He did y for free for you, now he has gone on to do z. If you like z, watch it and everything is fine. If you do not like z, just don't watch it and be happy that you had some y in the past, and possibly try to find other sources of y if you really want more y. Be happy with the things you get from people who provide them to you for free. Just because someone gave you something once does not mean that they have an obligation to constantly give you more of that same thing, or change that thing in the way that you would like them to.
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On August 13 2018 23:54 207aicila wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2018 23:10 brickrd wrote:On August 13 2018 23:03 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
Are you really asking someone to post to describe the personality flaws of TB, when TL cracks down pretty hard on such especially now that he is deceased? personally i try to be respectful when i post about criticisms of TB, and i understand that his recent passing changes the rules, but i don't like the idea of it being permanently off-limits to even suggest that he may have been a flawed person. i would understand if a mod came in and said "no TB criticism chat so soon after his death," but if one of his main patron communities can never ever have an open discussion about who he was as a person then it's not much of a community. --cutting long post--
from what i can see here your two main points are "if you disagree with me you're either a troll or you're automatically wrong" and "TB worked hard in the gaming scene"
1) the fact that you're accusing me of bad faith literally just for posting an opinion illustrates the point i was making very well
2) i know very well that he's "done a lot for gaming," and you're not the first or last person to write a few paragraphs about his accomplishments. however, i don't personally owe anything to him for that, nor do i think it has anything to do with how a person acts socially or whether their behavior is acceptable. i have morals and it matters to me to express those morals. some people might disagree with those morals, and that's fine for them. not sure what else you'd like me to say!
when i debate people it seems to have a tendency toward causing derails, so feel free to continue in PMs if you'd like as it seems disruptive to continue this much further.
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we don't know. youtube has changed a lot in the last few years. now they demonitize over small stuff. a channel i watched who just does photography gear reviews got his entire channel blocked from adsense for no reason. any gun knife related reviews are demonitize. just saying something negative gets demonitized. and if you think about it, alot of his content was casting other people's tournaments, maybe he just didn't want to go through the hundreds of videos and erase those and keep his content separate. he left the scene without a word, now his channel is gone without a word.
with HD, i think somebody said he tried to go to full time poker or something.
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So Long and Thanks for all the Fish.
Also I believe the "So Many Banelings" meme began with Husky. At least that is still alive.
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what a legend... i used to watch all his videos, he was great! best wishes!!!!
edit: destiny cloud fist for the win!
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On August 14 2018 01:30 HungrySC2 wrote:
So Long and Thanks for all the Fish.
Also I believe the "So Many Banelings" meme began with Husky. At least that is still alive.
That's an Artosis thing.
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Dont see why not just keep it up even if he isnt updating it but...
His channel so he can do w/e I want I guess. Just seems pointless to delete stuff.
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Bronze League Heroes! A blast from the past, I liked that show a lot, but I haven't watched a single episode since Husky stopped creating more episodes. It's probably difficult to make a single dollar out of old content when there is so much new content coming from all directions to compete with.
But lo and behold, it seems as if the youtube account WinterStarcraft is / has been publishing Bronze League Heroes for the last year or so. Filling the void perhaps? Have any of you followed it and is it any good? 
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