On January 06 2019 07:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: IDK but following that back and forth Husky is just trying to make an argument while Cox keeps insulting? Looks worse on Cox than on Husky to me.
I'm not sure what world you live in where this in any way looks bad on Cox... Especially when backed up by both Dodger and iNcontrol (Who, sure, are his friends, but also knew Husky back in the day)
I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive Cox calls BS calls the guy a sleaze Husky gives examples of others where this also wasn't the case and asks if they are sleazes too Cox says he's a terrible friend who lets everyone down.
I mean I don't understand the escalation here. Were all Husky's examples wrong?
On January 06 2019 07:08 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: IDK but following that back and forth Husky is just trying to make an argument while Cox keeps insulting? Looks worse on Cox than on Husky to me.
I'm not sure what world you live in where this in any way looks bad on Cox... Especially when backed up by both Dodger and iNcontrol (Who, sure, are his friends, but also knew Husky back in the day)
I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive Cox calls BS calls the guy a sleaze Husky gives examples of others where this also wasn't the case and asks if they are sleazes too Cox says he's a terrible friend who lets everyone down.
I mean I don't understand the escalation here. Were all Husky's examples wrong?
This highlighted part isn't really "a provided argument" when you (Husky in this case) are just straight up lying, which is backed up by other people who was treated similarly to Cox.
On January 06 2019 07:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive
There's part of your problem.
Making a video to make money off of video game X while not crediting the developer of video game X or telling your viewers where to buy it, and then also for some reason misrepresenting it to seem related to unrelated video game Y for SEO and clickbait purposes is an indefensibly dickish thing to do. Defending the person who did that is just as bad if not worse than defending the idiots who think it's okay not to pay artists for their graphics or music because "but exposure tho".
For Husky to say something like that, despite supposedly being a professional who manages his girlfriend/wife's successful Youtube channel, is not only extremely stupid but very out of touch.
On August 13 2018 19:46 Garbels wrote: I don't know anything about the youtube sphere. What would be the point of closing a channel? Is there a lot of upkeep(work) or legal worries?
I thought same: damage control.
With everything that followed (excluding the drama today) with Ro's much hyped "boyfriend video" etc, I would say it wasn't damage control so much as erasing a past that might not match the image they as a pair present today to a very different audience.
This is too far removed from being relevant to StarCraft II at this point.
And honestly, a thread where many participants are interested in speculating negatively on someone's character based on circumstantial evidence hardly constitutes a quality thread. Moved to general, but will look to close if there's nothing of substance.
On January 06 2019 07:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive
There's part of your problem.
Making a video to make money off of video game X while not crediting the developer of video game X or telling your viewers where to buy it, and then also for some reason misrepresenting it to seem related to unrelated video game Y for SEO and clickbait purposes is an indefensibly dickish thing to do. Defending the person who did that is just as bad if not worse than defending the idiots who think it's okay not to pay artists for their graphics or music because "but exposure tho".
For Husky to say something like that, despite supposedly being a professional who manages his girlfriend/wife's successful Youtube channel, is not only extremely stupid but very out of touch.
And yeah also what Excludos said.
The games are made by the same developer. Their names are anagrams of each other (Undertale/Deltarun). The first video is an analysis of how Deltarun is a conscious commentary on Undertale. They could not be more related.
I understand we don't like muckraking here, but I feel some of these posts are borderline negligent.
On January 06 2019 07:35 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: I mean i'm not that invested i have no idea what the original indie video was but just looking at the twitter
Husky saying not crediting correctly is not a huge deal when the net result is still positive
There's part of your problem.
Making a video to make money off of video game X while not crediting the developer of video game X or telling your viewers where to buy it, and then also for some reason misrepresenting it to seem related to unrelated video game Y for SEO and clickbait purposes is an indefensibly dickish thing to do. Defending the person who did that is just as bad if not worse than defending the idiots who think it's okay not to pay artists for their graphics or music because "but exposure tho".
For Husky to say something like that, despite supposedly being a professional who manages his girlfriend/wife's successful Youtube channel, is not only extremely stupid but very out of touch.
And yeah also what Excludos said.
The games are made by the same developer. Their names are anagrams of each other (Undertale/Deltarun). The first video is an analysis of how Deltarun is a conscious commentary on Undertale. They could not be more related.
I understand we don't like muckraking here, but I feel some of these posts are borderline negligent.
The game in question was Heartbound (clearly inspired by Earthbound FWIW), not Deltarune... please don't make this kind of accusation without educating yourself first.
And like I mentioned previously Toby Fox himself condemned the guy.
On January 06 2019 08:23 Waxangel wrote: This is too far removed from being relevant to StarCraft II at this point.
And honestly, a thread where many participants are interested in speculating negatively on someone's character based on circumstantial evidence hardly constitutes a quality thread. Moved to general, but will look to close if there's nothing of substance.
Thanks for keeping the thread open Wax when it could have been closed due to being off topic; Husky was a highlight and a gateway for a lot of people and there is a lot of residual disappointment to the loss of his content etc.
Honestly, I don't feel culpable for that mistake at all. You've made multiple long posts about this subject and couldn't mention the game name once? All I had was that it was GT related and Undertale related. There was no mention of Undertale in the title of the GTLive stream nor was any UT footage shown. If GT sanitized the stream title, etc., you need to plainly explain. "Accept my conclusions or go figure it out yourself." is not acceptable.
That's pretty funny because the developer you are supporting was demanding links. Where's your mention, dude?
I'm not here because I have some special insight or stake. I'm here because the conversation in here is terrible. I suppose you kind of sort of explained what some of the actual issue was, but you saturated it with loaded, provocative conclusions. Writing tip: State your facts as plainly as possible, then put your commentary afterward.
Let me do what apparently was so very difficult: Pirate Software got upset that someone on the GT staff put Undertale in the title and tags and didn't link to the game.
GT was supposed to promote their game, but NO, NOT THAT WAY!
The attitude of both developers is pretty telling. The use of the word "community" in the first sentences of Pirate Games' tweet should have been a tipoff. This is not a community, this is a business. Games development and games media is necessarily a reciprocal business, but still a business. Stop acting like fucking artisanal cheese vendors. For the health and freedom of the industry and our entire society, GT and others like them should not and must not owe the developers anything other than journalistic (roughly speaking) integrity. Quibbling over titles or tags might be a topic of (private) conversation, but that doesn't earn condemnation and GT certainly doesn't owe them links. The idea that they should be beholden to the developers is pretty fucking astounding considering some of the parties involved in this discussion.
But back to the real reason for this thread. Apparently all these things are crystal clear and not open to any difference of opinion, so when Husky made the sin of commenting on the conversation of three adults, Cox decided it was time to bring up years-old grievances.
All us "youtube" casters had a ventrilo channel we used to hang out in back in the day. Husky gets invited in by someone.
After some of us said some friendly hellos he proceeded to be one of the biggest self entitled dicks I'd ever talk to and it left a bad taste in my mouth. So my point being - I'm not surprised at the accusation of using and ditching people not useful to him anymore.
But I'll give him credit, he knew how to market and use the media better than any of us other casters did at that time.
On January 18 2019 11:07 Savagewood wrote: This video perfectly explains what happened to Mike. He was an opportunist, as well as a money-hungry leech on our community: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIuNZFyQ8Fk
Its not a very good video.
It (and your comments) proscribe a lot of attributes to Mike which aren't really evident. Agreed, it was a dick move to delete all his content with no forewarning, from an archival point of view it certainly sucks: but ultimately he owns the content. Its okay to be upset, but its not going to change anything: this is a parasocial relationship at work, and evident in the video. The video maker compares Husky spending all his time working on his partners channel, to a friend who gets a new girlfriend and neglects all his current friends in favour of her. This would be apt, if the relationships were of the same strength and quality. They aren't. So yes, a heads up would have been nice, but "local man privileges relationship with partner/business partner over YT subs, more at 11."
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I just re-read this thread, and I've decided its pretty bad (it seems like an exercise to determine how much of a jerk husky is - and I've kinda contributed to that) and I'm done here. I'm leaving my post up because it feels wrong to cut it now.
I think Husky burned out on SC2 a couple of years back. He is somewhat arrogant sometimes but in general he's not an asshole. When SC2 released I was all about it. I LIVED SC2. A couple of months after that I couldn't care about it anymore. Now all I care about is BW (spectating that is). SC2 is just a major dissapointment for me after a while it just sank in. I don't like SC2. Maybe he experienced something similar and just thought for too long a time 'I already put in so much work, I'll find my drive agian' and then he never did. Also I asked him video editing advice and he replied. Not in the friendship building manner one would hope, but he shared his knowledge regardles.. He was already big back then and I was and still am a YouTube nobody I can provide screenshots.
For instance I have had personal contact with him a couple of times about a map contest and he was very enthusiastic in his responses.
Also on a youtube video I made about him misunderstandig Devourers, even PRE SC2. So there's that.
He replied back then and it was basically a misunderstanding as he meant that the splash adds to damage taken instead of literal splash damage. Whatever man, for me it was just for the sake of discussion.
Anyway that are 3 examples of coincidental communication between him and me. And I was just one of so many nobodies trying to have a chat with the cool YouTube guys.
So it's not THAT onesided where you could just say "Husky bad man". Maybe he did blow up. Maybe he burned out on SC. Maybe he did cut out people in his life and didn't do that in the kindest or politest way possible. Maybe he had personal issues. I've cut people out too, sometimes without explanation. It can be hard to be on the receiving side of that but who knows why he decided that back then. Maybe he just didn't have the strenght to maintain friendships with people that you don't really associate with anymore. Maybe he just became a different person entirely.
Same for me, I meet some dudes at the office and we have a blast everyday, do stuff together and are basically brothers. As soon as a contract get's cancelled, friendship over! It just happens and maybe he was like that and didn't have the strenght to maintain friendships.
MAYBE he is a calculation asshole. Probably not that black and white. Just saying we don't know.
I would like to close with something silly and or positive to let this discussion die on a positive nostalgic note.
Husky my bro if you're reading this. Sorry if I misinterpreted your intentions and or piss you off with this video. I for one really loved it back then and I really like your persona and your channel.
The video maker compares Husky spending all his time working on his partners channel, to a friend who gets a new girlfriend and neglects all his current friends in favour of her. This would be apt, if the relationships were of the same strength and quality. They aren't. So yes, a heads up would have been nice, but "local man privileges relationship with partner/business partner over YT subs, more at 11."
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I just re-read this thread, and I've decided its pretty bad (it seems like an exercise to determine how much of a jerk husky is - and I've kinda contributed to that) and I'm done here. I'm leaving my post up because it feels wrong to cut it now.
Actually if you re-read the thread yet again you will find that people who were part of his social circle WERE neglected and abandoned in favour of him milking his girlfriend's channel for money. Even iNcontroL signed off on that in one of those tweet chains. But don't let that get in the way of your moral crusade.
Got this sad news from some comments on top1apk. i have many good memories watching husky. i wonder what the reasoning was here its not like it hurts anything leaving it up. bronze leeeague heroes!
EPT
I can provide screenshots.
