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Jankisa
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Croatia1914 Posts
3 hours ago
#121161
On November 04 2026 23:14 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Seriously though, Fielder is a Canadian-Jew as am I. If you've read my posts you should know my top 4 comedians of all time are all jews. Andy Kaufman, Jerry Seinfeld, Nathan Fielder, and Tony Clifton.


I've read your posts, for someone who talks about comedy a lot you are really having a hard time differentiating between comedy and unhinged rants.

Kind of how you have a hard time gauging how stupid Trump or someone like Matt Walsh or Candance Owens are.

You can't see or understand how others see you, because, to quote another great comedic genius, "stupid is as stupid does", plus, you know, the above mentioned narcissism.
So, are you a pessimist? - On my better days. Are you a nihilist? - Not as much as I should be.
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3502 Posts
2 hours ago
#121162
On November 04 2026 23:25 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:05 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response on Fox last night was excellent. He said he'd negotiate with the Democrats to get stuff passed.

He's always been up for that, being a Democrat himself.

That doesn't matter. They can't negotiate with him. They can't negotiate with Hitler. Especially the DSA nuts. He could get Republicans to float a universal healthcare bill or free college bill at any time and Democrats would have to block it so he would never have the chance to sign it. He could do that now and it wouldn't make it past the filibuster.


Lol I love this cope. Democrats would pass that in an instant and say the 2026 elections were so overwhelming they even forced Trump to become a socialist.

Not that it matters because Democrats can't (see: didn't) even pass universal healthcare when they control everything.


Republicans lost so bad that oBlade is trying to ragebait over something Joe Lieberman did in 2009.
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
TL+ Member
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2676 Posts
2 hours ago
#121163
On November 04 2026 12:27 Introvert wrote:
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On November 04 2026 12:21 Billyboy wrote:
On November 04 2026 12:17 Introvert wrote:
On November 04 2026 12:12 dyhb wrote:
The biggest Senate reversal before now was Republicans taking 3 Senate seats in states that Obama won by double digits 2008->2010.

Democrats on pace to do it for 6 seats in states that Trump won by double digits.


Yeah and 2010 was 6 seats total. 2014 was GOP +9 as the 2008 wave riders lost. Interesting to see how 2032 turns out.

I wonder if we are still going to hear about how unfair the senate is. Kidding, I know we will lol

Almost like who wins doesn’t change math. First to the pole and gerrymandering are also still awful. The dark money in politics is still horrendous and so on.

You have to realize all us non Americans and a few of you guys as well don’t treat politics as team sports where all we care about is our side winning.


I told you why I wanted my side to win. Not for team sport reasons, you just need to accept that so when a future election makes you sad it's less catastrophic.

I expect to lose about half the time. It would be better if more people could think like that.

I’ve been thinking how to respond to this for a bit now and I have too much to say for one post. But I’ll start with an apology because I was meaner than I needed to be out of my frustration that I thought you had ranked your conservative values over your party loyalty and then when it became clear to me that it was the other way around I got extra frustrated because populism winning is awful for everyone, including the people voting for their guy.

A couple of things, you talk about fear of the Dems raising taxes, but you are aware that they are campaigning on taking away the massive taxes that Trump put in on everyone, the tariffs. You can’t keep pretending your party is the fiscally responsible one, when reality shows MAGA spends and spends and spends, for very little or negative returns.

But more so let’s get into Iran because you brought it up, so it must matter to you and you seem to be against every analysis I’ve read or watched, including from conservatives. How is it worth it? What in your mind has been accomplished or needs to be with his next moves? And what is your version of finishing it off?

You see I’m about as hawkish on Iran as you can be. I believe they are the big problem in the Middle East. But I can’t imagine a worse operation than what this administration did. Trump promised to protect the protestors and then let’s 50-100k get slaughtered only to attack a month later? He was surprised when Iran did exactly what they said they would do, and every military analyst for the last number of decades said they would do. He didn’t have the correct or enough assets in the area to do the operation properly. He is supporting Irans greatest ally, well tying the hands of a country that is fighting them. He had the opportunity to get massive r and d and support against drones from a country that has been defending against Irans exact weapons for years and didn’t take it. When Russia provided the arms, tech and importantly the intel for Iran to hit US bases and assets he bought a whole bunch of their diesel and offered to remove sanctions?!? He could give Ukraine just starshield, which would make the US money and hurt Irans life line, but instead cozy’s up to them because he thinks he and his buddies can make personal wealth off their resources.

So please, take a stand and say what you actually mean not some vague statements. So when Trump doesn’t deliver you can’t pivot to whatever nonsense they are currently spinning and claim it was what you wanted all along.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6666 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-11-04 14:43:03
2 hours ago
#121164
On November 04 2026 23:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:05 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response on Fox last night was excellent. He said he'd negotiate with the Democrats to get stuff passed.

He's always been up for that, being a Democrat himself.

Immortalizing this quote.

Let's immortalize quotes, here's a quote that someone made without considering the implications whatsoever because they literally can never say or even imply the president is ever right:

"[Ruth Bader Ginsburg] led an amazing life. What else can you say? She was an amazing woman, whether you agree or not. She was an amazing woman who led an amazing life."
On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response was excellent.
On November 04 2026 23:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response was excellent.
This has never been true.


On November 04 2026 23:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Silly us, not realizing that Trump has been a Democrat all this time! Obama, Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump, so many Democratic presidential terms!

Ah you got me I thought he literally ran under the nomination of the Democrat Party, you didn't miss the point at all I just had my reds and blues mixed up.


On November 04 2026 23:38 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:25 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:05 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response on Fox last night was excellent. He said he'd negotiate with the Democrats to get stuff passed.

He's always been up for that, being a Democrat himself.

That doesn't matter. They can't negotiate with him. They can't negotiate with Hitler. Especially the DSA nuts. He could get Republicans to float a universal healthcare bill or free college bill at any time and Democrats would have to block it so he would never have the chance to sign it. He could do that now and it wouldn't make it past the filibuster.


Lol I love this cope. Democrats would pass that in an instant and say the 2026 elections were so overwhelming they even forced Trump to become a socialist.

Not that it matters because Democrats can't (see: didn't) even pass universal healthcare when they control everything.


Republicans lost so bad that oBlade is trying to ragebait over something Joe Lieberman did in 2009.

What are you talking about? Biden controlled the House and Senate.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1220 Posts
2 hours ago
#121165
On November 04 2026 23:38 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:25 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:05 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response on Fox last night was excellent. He said he'd negotiate with the Democrats to get stuff passed.

He's always been up for that, being a Democrat himself.

That doesn't matter. They can't negotiate with him. They can't negotiate with Hitler. Especially the DSA nuts. He could get Republicans to float a universal healthcare bill or free college bill at any time and Democrats would have to block it so he would never have the chance to sign it. He could do that now and it wouldn't make it past the filibuster.


Lol I love this cope. Democrats would pass that in an instant and say the 2026 elections were so overwhelming they even forced Trump to become a socialist.

Not that it matters because Democrats can't (see: didn't) even pass universal healthcare when they control everything.


Republicans lost so bad that oBlade is trying to ragebait over something Joe Lieberman did in 2009.


It's ok. His pedophile lost. He's really upset right now.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States5082 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-11-04 14:44:23
2 hours ago
#121166
I mean it is going to be interesting to see how these super red state dems interpret what happened. It's not like South Carolinians are suddenly for Medicare for all. But I've said since the 2016 election dems could have gotten so much from him if they didn't say he was the next Hitler. That’s always been true. But most presidents don't recalibrate after mid term beat downs. These dems ran to the right of the national party on things like energy and immigration. I guess they could become Doug Jones and just vote party line and lose in 6 years. But somehow I don't think most want that. How will the Andrews's of SC do in fights vs the AES's of the senate and house. Remains to be seen
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3502 Posts
2 hours ago
#121167
On November 04 2026 23:42 oBlade wrote:
What are you talking about? Biden controlled the House and Senate.


Presidents don't control either chamber of Congress. In the words of oBlade:

On November 03 2026 00:24 oBlade wrote:
I know at some point you knew how the Constitution worked because unlike almost every other European here, you had to actually take a test on it once.

"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
TL+ Member
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18874 Posts
2 hours ago
#121168
Just remember that when you think you’re having a bad day, you could be Haley Stevens after the midterm and have to go back to Congress to finish your term after pulling one of the great weasel moves of our time
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44425 Posts
2 hours ago
#121169
On November 04 2026 23:27 Gorsameth wrote:
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On November 04 2026 22:40 KwarK wrote:
On November 04 2026 22:20 Jankisa wrote:
Well, that is basically what I had in mind when I wrote "perhaps tolled by Iran and Oman as suggested".

That’d be a catastrophic defeat for US global hegemony. Characterizing it as “stopping” implies that the US has taken a forward position previously but is now no longer contesting it. The US is now fighting to try to win back what it had before, stopping is withdrawing, it is conceding, it is surrendering. But even if we assume that’s doable there’s also the unresolved nuclear issue. Nuclear deals with Iran previously rested on the shaky belief that the US didn’t really want to attack Iran and therefore Iran didn’t really need a nuclear deterrent. Both sides heading towards normalization paid for itself because you could pay Iran to not get a nuke with all the trade they got for not seeking a nuke.

The default is now that Iran needs a nuclear deterrent and everyone can see why. I don’t want them to have one but it’d be crazy to argue that they don’t need one after a superpower attempted a decapitation strike on them.
That defeat already happened half a year ago. US hegemony is already dead. The allies upon which that hegemony was founded are actively looking elsewhere.

Nothing the US can do stops the entire world from already knowing that nukes are the only protection that exists. Christ even the allies of US hegemony have renewed their desire for nukes to protect themselves from America.

Everything bad that happens when the US surrenders to Iran has already happened and can already not realistically be stopped.
The Obama apology tour worked the first time to smooth over Bush faults. After Trump one and two that ship was sailed. We will resume being friends with America because it is economically profitable but no one will trust you again for decades.

I don’t really disagree with your conclusion. My point was that the framing of “just stop and go home” undersells the magnitude of what that means. Stopping sounds like a tie, an end on current lines. Whereas the kind of going home being discussed is the kind that Germany did in 1918. And therein lies the problem. Germany’s plan for if France wasn’t defeated in 1914 was to lose the war. Before it started they identified that they could not defeat the Entente in a protracted war, the plan was to take Paris, then focus on Russia, and the backup plan if that failed was to lose. It’s all well and good to say “but the defeat has already happened” and some Germans were probably saying that in 1914 but that did nothing to prevent another 4 years and millions of dead young men. People don’t stop wars just because it’s over.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24489 Posts
2 hours ago
#121170
On November 04 2026 23:38 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:25 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:05 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response on Fox last night was excellent. He said he'd negotiate with the Democrats to get stuff passed.

He's always been up for that, being a Democrat himself.

That doesn't matter. They can't negotiate with him. They can't negotiate with Hitler. Especially the DSA nuts. He could get Republicans to float a universal healthcare bill or free college bill at any time and Democrats would have to block it so he would never have the chance to sign it. He could do that now and it wouldn't make it past the filibuster.


Lol I love this cope. Democrats would pass that in an instant and say the 2026 elections were so overwhelming they even forced Trump to become a socialist.

Not that it matters because Democrats can't (see: didn't) even pass universal healthcare when they control everything.


Republicans lost so bad that oBlade is trying to ragebait over something Joe Lieberman did in 2009.

Knowing Trump would veto it anyway, passing universal healthcare could be something they'd actually do.

Then run in 2028 on passing it.

It's far from some radical left proposal, and while it is a bit reformist (in that it certainly has elements of stabilizing capitalist control), overall, I'd call it non-reformist reform (provided the legislation was reasonable).

Ossoff reminds me of Newsom in a lot of ways, but the logistics could work there for 2028.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18029 Posts
2 hours ago
#121171
On November 04 2026 23:44 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:42 oBlade wrote:
What are you talking about? Biden controlled the House and Senate.


Presidents don't control either chamber of Congress. In the words of oBlade:

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2026 00:24 oBlade wrote:
I know at some point you knew how the Constitution worked because unlike almost every other European here, you had to actually take a test on it once.


he prolly meant the democrats controlled congress. it is sensationalizing these kinds of slip ups that impedes effective discussion. and, if he really believes the President controls Congress it'll come out in 500 other posts.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2676 Posts
2 hours ago
#121172
On November 04 2026 23:47 farvacola wrote:
Just remember that when you think you’re having a bad day, you could be Haley Stevens after the midterm and have to go back to Congress to finish your term after pulling one of the great weasel moves of our time

And have it be an epic failure and not move the needle at all, except maybe in the opposite way intended.

It’s nice when karma actually works as intended.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6666 Posts
2 hours ago
#121173
On November 04 2026 23:43 goiflin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:38 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:25 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:05 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response on Fox last night was excellent. He said he'd negotiate with the Democrats to get stuff passed.

He's always been up for that, being a Democrat himself.

That doesn't matter. They can't negotiate with him. They can't negotiate with Hitler. Especially the DSA nuts. He could get Republicans to float a universal healthcare bill or free college bill at any time and Democrats would have to block it so he would never have the chance to sign it. He could do that now and it wouldn't make it past the filibuster.


Lol I love this cope. Democrats would pass that in an instant and say the 2026 elections were so overwhelming they even forced Trump to become a socialist.

Not that it matters because Democrats can't (see: didn't) even pass universal healthcare when they control everything.


Republicans lost so bad that oBlade is trying to ragebait over something Joe Lieberman did in 2009.


It's ok. His pedophile lost. He's really upset right now.

...Everyone I voted for yesterday won, and I don't have a pedophile. You disgraceful, sick fuck.

On November 04 2026 23:44 LightSpectra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:42 oBlade wrote:
What are you talking about? Biden controlled the House and Senate.


Presidents don't control either chamber of Congress. In the words of oBlade:

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2026 00:24 oBlade wrote:
I know at some point you knew how the Constitution worked because unlike almost every other European here, you had to actually take a test on it once.


I'm to understand it wasn't Biden, you think the reason you don't have universal healthcare is Congressional Democrats, but not Democrat presidents, basically?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44425 Posts
2 hours ago
#121174
On November 04 2026 23:44 Introvert wrote:
I mean it is going to be interesting to see how these super red state dems interpret what happened. It's not like South Carolinians are suddenly for Medicare for all. But I've said since the 2016 election dems could have gotten so much from him if they didn't say he was the next Hitler. That’s always been true. But most presidents don't recalibrate after mid term beat downs. These dems ran to the right of the national party on things like energy and immigration. I guess they could become Doug Jones and just vote party line and lose in 6 years. But somehow I don't think most want that. How will the Andrews's of SC do in fights vs the AES's of the senate and house. Remains to be seen

Vance said Trump was America’s Hitler and got the VP seat so it can work out.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22693 Posts
2 hours ago
#121175
On November 04 2026 23:44 Introvert wrote:
I mean it is going to be interesting to see how these super red state dems interpret what happened. It's not like South Carolinians are suddenly for Medicare for all. But I've said since the 2016 election dems could have gotten so much from him if they didn't say he was the next Hitler. That’s always been true. But most presidents don't recalibrate after mid term beat downs. These dems ran to the right of the national party on things like energy and immigration. I guess they could become Doug Jones and just vote party line and lose in 6 years. But somehow I don't think most want that. How will the Andrews's of SC do in fights vs the AES's of the senate and house. Remains to be seen
"If only the democrats didn't call him Hitler they could have worked with Republicans"

His own VP called him Hitler ffs.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Legan
Profile Joined June 2017
Finland609 Posts
2 hours ago
#121176
On November 04 2026 23:47 farvacola wrote:
Just remember that when you think you’re having a bad day, you could be Haley Stevens after the midterm and have to go back to Congress to finish your term after pulling one of the great weasel moves of our time


Well, at least Fetterman will be happy to have another friend in the Democrats.
Creator of Gresvan, Tropical Sacrifice, Taitalika, and Golden Forge
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44425 Posts
2 hours ago
#121177
On November 04 2026 23:54 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:43 goiflin wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:38 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:25 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:05 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response on Fox last night was excellent. He said he'd negotiate with the Democrats to get stuff passed.

He's always been up for that, being a Democrat himself.

That doesn't matter. They can't negotiate with him. They can't negotiate with Hitler. Especially the DSA nuts. He could get Republicans to float a universal healthcare bill or free college bill at any time and Democrats would have to block it so he would never have the chance to sign it. He could do that now and it wouldn't make it past the filibuster.


Lol I love this cope. Democrats would pass that in an instant and say the 2026 elections were so overwhelming they even forced Trump to become a socialist.

Not that it matters because Democrats can't (see: didn't) even pass universal healthcare when they control everything.


Republicans lost so bad that oBlade is trying to ragebait over something Joe Lieberman did in 2009.


It's ok. His pedophile lost. He's really upset right now.

...Everyone I voted for yesterday won, and I don't have a pedophile. You disgraceful, sick fuck.

Alright, fine, hebophile, whatever, we get it.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18029 Posts
2 hours ago
#121178
if Trump got rid of the tariffs and got out of Iran we'd probably have Clinton and/or Reagan levels of economic growth. it is 2 3-foot putts that won't be converted until after Trump leaves office.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
LightSpectra
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3502 Posts
2 hours ago
#121179
On November 04 2026 23:54 oBlade wrote:
I'm to understand it wasn't Biden, you think the reason you don't have universal healthcare is Congressional Democrats, but not Democrat presidents, basically?


I'm saying the Executive and Legislative branches are separate parts of government. I suggest reading the United States Constitution to learn more: https://constitutioncenter.org/the-constitution/full-text

Very sad that your education failed to teach you this (or you somehow cheated on your citizenship exam if you're an immigrant).
"don't try to pull a LightSpectra-Trumper"
TL+ Member
goiflin
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1220 Posts
2 hours ago
#121180
On November 04 2026 23:54 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:43 goiflin wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:38 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:25 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:09 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:05 oBlade wrote:
On November 04 2026 22:29 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Trump's response on Fox last night was excellent. He said he'd negotiate with the Democrats to get stuff passed.

He's always been up for that, being a Democrat himself.

That doesn't matter. They can't negotiate with him. They can't negotiate with Hitler. Especially the DSA nuts. He could get Republicans to float a universal healthcare bill or free college bill at any time and Democrats would have to block it so he would never have the chance to sign it. He could do that now and it wouldn't make it past the filibuster.


Lol I love this cope. Democrats would pass that in an instant and say the 2026 elections were so overwhelming they even forced Trump to become a socialist.

Not that it matters because Democrats can't (see: didn't) even pass universal healthcare when they control everything.


Republicans lost so bad that oBlade is trying to ragebait over something Joe Lieberman did in 2009.


It's ok. His pedophile lost. He's really upset right now.

...Everyone I voted for yesterday won, and I don't have a pedophile. You disgraceful, sick fuck.

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2026 23:44 LightSpectra wrote:
On November 04 2026 23:42 oBlade wrote:
What are you talking about? Biden controlled the House and Senate.


Presidents don't control either chamber of Congress. In the words of oBlade:

On November 03 2026 00:24 oBlade wrote:
I know at some point you knew how the Constitution worked because unlike almost every other European here, you had to actually take a test on it once.


I'm to understand it wasn't Biden, you think the reason you don't have universal healthcare is Congressional Democrats, but not Democrat presidents, basically?


it's ok. You've been defending him these past, what, four years or so? Why are you acting shy about liking a pedophile all of a sudden? Own your actions and accept responsibility for the man you are. A man who defends a pedophile and roots for him on the regular. I have no horse in the race. But you certainly do seem to, for reasons.
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