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On October 26 2026 01:32 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2026 22:08 oBlade wrote:On October 24 2026 21:10 Sermokala wrote:On October 24 2026 16:01 oBlade wrote:On October 24 2026 04:57 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 24 2026 03:21 oBlade wrote:On October 24 2026 02:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 24 2026 02:07 oBlade wrote:On October 24 2026 01:59 dyhb wrote:On October 24 2026 01:13 Gorsameth wrote:
[quote]I promise you, the state you live in knows you live there. And they know if your eligible to vote. The state you left may or can still give valid ballots to your old address, or someone presenting no ID can fraudulently cast a ballot in your name. No state is required by law to inform the state the person moved from that it is no longer there. And no its not just 'exhausting your legal options'. multiple Trump lawyers got sanctioned for filing frivolous election lawsuits. Giuliani, Jenna Ellis, Sidney Powell, Lin Wood, Emily Newman, Gregory Rohl, Scott Hagerstrom, Stefanie Lynn Junttila, Julia Z. Haller, Brandon Johnson, Howard Kleinhendler, and probably more. Are you moving off of calling it cheating to file multiple lawsuits to try and overturn election results? We can agree on Trump going wider and further to a practice that you're calling part of cheating. He thinks that because Snowden happened that every level and agency of government shares and knows everything about every person. He doesn't know that just last year DHS were blocked from getting addresses for illegal immigrants from the IRS. Candidates for Senate are even voting from addresses they don't live at. It's a shambles. https://www.thebulwark.com/p/gop-operative-scott-presler-out-of-state-voters-pennsylvania-houseguests?r=1edyjzYou mean like Scott Presler? I feel like you probably know Scott Presler has never been a candidate for Senate. https://www.texastribune.org/2026/07/07/ken-paxton-voting-election-law/Sorry you're right, here's a Senator doing that. You've at last figured out the reference I was making, which was also available on the immediately preceding page of the thread you are reading because it was already just posted. It's unfortunately not the exact same link from the same source which would have been extra hilarious. On October 24 2026 06:34 maybenexttime wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The most corrupt government in US history. I'm sure our local fascist bootlickers couldn't be more proud. ;-) A man using an anonymous source claimed, while giving no corroborating evidence, that Jared Kushner has a secret two billion dollars of corrupt money. Amazing. We should bring back debtors' prisons so anyone placed in that situation can sue the person making such claims into a bankruptcy. You should be able to sue for damages up to the made-up amount of the accusation. So that should go to a court, the guy who claimed it should have to prove it or else he should have to pay restitution, and when he can't afford it, he should have to face a slow, torturous death while trying to make two billion dollars worth of license plates while confined to a room. On October 24 2026 08:23 Sermokala wrote:On October 24 2026 06:31 Billyboy wrote:
It is so strange that this is a big issue in the US. Every time it’s investigated it turns out there is no, or very little voter fraud. The big issue in US politics is the massive amounts of “donations” and the costs of running a campaign. Clearly all those donations have huge implications in future policy choices and it should be the bi partisan issue that every American agrees is a problem. I think its strange that Republicans keep coming up with solutions to imaginary problems that would instead solve completly different problems if they were possible. Like the idea that Minnesota is the heart of Fraud. If being the heart of fraud gives you the economic sucsess of Minnesota we need to start doing a lot more fraud in america. If republicans really wanted to demonize america they would look at the cabal of unelected technocrats appointed by the governor that is given taxing authority, authority to dictate to local governments what they will do if they don't want their insurance as well as their state funding revoked, that operates the states major airport, that is not accountable to anybody, that is a literal cabal of people who decide the economic future of the people in the state. We're going to be the state for Rare gas distribution with Helium for medical devices, CO2 for agricultural production and for the largest accumulation of Helium three found in the world. I can't be sure I'm understanding this right. The Democrat governor of Minnesota appointed a cabal of unelected technocrats? And Sermokala needs Republicans to fix this? (lol) When every executive in the country, every governor and president, has the authority to appoint people to... appointed positions? Are you even talking about the Technical Advisory Council, or the Metropolitan Council, or did you confuse them for each other as being the same thing? You're not understanding it right, the idea that it needs fixed or that anyone wants it to be "fixed" isn't the point its that it would be a much more valid and real monster to fear monger about. You were unable to clarify whether you were talking about the TAC or Met Council or whether you even knew what you were talking about with this "cabal" that you think Republicans should be fear mongering about, even though you apparently personally think there's nothing wrong with it. Maybe just to distract from the fraud. The thing is both councils are in the law as existing, so them being appointed by the governor is following the law (normal). Fraud, on the other hand, being illegal, NOT doing fraud is correct (fraud is bad). On October 24 2026 21:10 Sermokala wrote:
It should say something to normal people that the black muslim woman who speaks out against trump is the one being attacked by the DOJ right near the election. It says "No one is above the law." On October 24 2026 21:10 Sermokala wrote:
That you would call Minnesota the state of fraud despite no evidence that its actually got more fraud than any other state would is the joke. Normally fraud would be punished or be a bad thing but if we acepted your framing then every state should increase their fraud so they can be on the level of minnesota. I could also call Minnesota the state with no subways, it wouldn't mean California and New York should blow up their subways to achieve future success with the helium industry, what the hell are you talking about? By gross volume it would probably be California, per capita Minnesota seems to have some massive cases that bring it up due to its much smaller population. You clearly knew what I was talking about and identified exactly what I was talking about. If someone refers to something and then they indentify it immediatly that menas I told you what it was. This is a gotcha of "Ha so I did figure out what you were talking about". No I don't think there is anything wrong with the reason why we are so rich as a state. The airport they manage is ranked constantly as a top hub in the nation.
You can't tell me whether it's the TAC or Met Council that you were talking about, but whatever it is, you have no problem with them and their management. Alright. I think we should let Republicans off the hook for not being mad at (either of) them, then.
On October 26 2026 01:32 Sermokala wrote:
Come on Oblade you can't be so dense as to not see the cross section of hate trump has for omar. The First muslim woman elected to congress, a democrat, from minnesota, and black? He whined and bitched about his court cases during the last presidential election beacuse "they were happening too close to the election" but now that hes not up for election its perfectly fine to send the DOJ to raid a politician's house. For someone who used the word "lawfare" you seem to not see the actual use of it very well.
I don't think proximity to an election is exculpatory. You know the level of scrutiny from judges the DOJ had to pass to get those warrants?
On October 26 2026 01:32 Sermokala wrote:
I don't know what the hell you're talking about with subways. We have public transportation in the state subways are just another form of transportation.
I was saying if we are the state of fraud than we should be exporting more fraud in the nation so other states can have the economic sucsess of Minnesota and california.
Yes and I am saying by that logic New York and California could destroy their subways to have the economic success of Minnesota, which has no subways. Because, like economies and subways, fraud and economies are different.
On October 26 2026 01:45 Sermokala wrote:
Its funny to see Oblade work himself into argueing against voter ID and explain why its so unreasonable to expect a federal level of ID like what the save act wanted. Drivers licences are state issued and wouldn't work as federal voting identification. People are talking about the fantaseyland ID because that would be the only reasonable solution to millions and millions of people suddenly not having the ability to vote anymore beacuse they don't have the right papers.
Voter ID laws without a universial ID card is just voter supression. There is no argument you can make that you would stop less people from illegally voteing than you would prevent people from legaly voteing with voter id.
The Senate bill for the SAVE America Act literally accepted state driver's licenses for voting. You're just opining. No awareness.
“(c) Valid photo identifications described.—For purposes of this section, a ‘valid photo identification’ means, with respect to an individual who seeks to vote in a State, any of the following:
“(1) A valid State-issued motor vehicle driver’s license that includes a photo of the individual and an expiration date.
“(2) A valid State-issued identification card that includes a photo of the individual and an expiration date issued by a State motor vehicle authority.
“(3) A valid United States passport for the individual.
“(4) A valid military identification for the individual.
“(5) A valid identification document issued by a Tribal government that includes a photo of the individual and an expiration date.
This is the text that made it as far as the Senate.
A driver's license per se is not proof of citizenship. But you wouldn't prove that every time you voted. You prove that when registering.
On October 26 2026 01:43 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2026 00:17 oBlade wrote:On October 26 2026 00:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 25 2026 22:14 oBlade wrote:
I do not want the government sending me something I didn't ask for. So now we're pivoting from "mail delivery isn't accurate or secure" to "I want to choose who officially mails everyone their voter ID". I bet plenty of people don't want the government sending them property tax bills or jury duty summons, yet those are realities too. You are the one saying that the government ought to require all eligible voters (or, at least, the voters that you personally don't like) to have a voter ID. If you don't want more government mail, then stop asking for voter ID. There is no pivot. Legitimately you don't know what voter ID means. Also if someone wants to intercept my property tax and pay it, or do my jury duty, they're welcome. The worry about the property tax isn’t that they are going to pay it, it is that they will get your personal information for possible identity theft. So being scared of the ID but not this is just your standard logical incongruity.
They will not get your passport number or state ID number or social security number. But go ahead, request it electronically. Go paperless.
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On October 25 2026 23:59 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2026 22:39 LightSpectra wrote:On October 25 2026 15:21 oBlade wrote:
I like the idea of an entire class on a field trip dressed up as Trump following you around giving you aneurysms. Has this been an issue every Halloween? How did I miss this? We don't base our society around your transient insane political fixations. Don't flood CPS with calls when you see little Elvises, Clintons, or Michaels Jackson either. Also please be assured that the 4 foot tall Grim Reaper who rang your doorbell for candy isn't a mass murdering school shooter in training. You're adults. Honestly, yeah, you make a good point. Even though Donald Trump is credibly accused of raping more people than Elvis and Michael Jackson, and was (unlike them) found in a court of law to be a rapist, and continues to withhold Epstein files that he swore he would release, it would be weird if people were offended by the costumes of the former but not the latter. "Credibly accused" = "I personally believe" This is not about litigating your Epstein conspiracy, it's about you having no theory of mind for other people and understanding how to coexist in society. There are people who think very bad things about Michael Jackson, like you do about the president. If they judged your actions, of doing something that doesn't crucify Michael Jackson, like listening to Thriller, under their own view that Michael Jackson raped children, it wouldn't make sense. You're not listening to Thriller because you think he raped children, you're listening to Thriller because you think he didn't. Elvis by all accounts fell in love with a 14 year old. Clinton, you don't even bother. Notice the anti-Michael Jacksons died down, just like your peers will mellow on Trump one day, unfortunately not from wisdom but probably transferring your toxicity to the next targets.
Evidently hit a sore spot here, so maybe take a few minutes to calm down before deciding if the President promising something and then doing opposite of it in public is "my conspiracy" or if perhaps there's a better term to describe someone covering up evidence of a crime they promised to expose and, indeed, signed a bill indicating they must do so by law.
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On October 26 2026 02:23 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2026 23:59 oBlade wrote:On October 25 2026 22:39 LightSpectra wrote:On October 25 2026 15:21 oBlade wrote:
I like the idea of an entire class on a field trip dressed up as Trump following you around giving you aneurysms. Has this been an issue every Halloween? How did I miss this? We don't base our society around your transient insane political fixations. Don't flood CPS with calls when you see little Elvises, Clintons, or Michaels Jackson either. Also please be assured that the 4 foot tall Grim Reaper who rang your doorbell for candy isn't a mass murdering school shooter in training. You're adults. Honestly, yeah, you make a good point. Even though Donald Trump is credibly accused of raping more people than Elvis and Michael Jackson, and was (unlike them) found in a court of law to be a rapist, and continues to withhold Epstein files that he swore he would release, it would be weird if people were offended by the costumes of the former but not the latter. "Credibly accused" = "I personally believe" This is not about litigating your Epstein conspiracy, it's about you having no theory of mind for other people and understanding how to coexist in society. There are people who think very bad things about Michael Jackson, like you do about the president. If they judged your actions, of doing something that doesn't crucify Michael Jackson, like listening to Thriller, under their own view that Michael Jackson raped children, it wouldn't make sense. You're not listening to Thriller because you think he raped children, you're listening to Thriller because you think he didn't. Elvis by all accounts fell in love with a 14 year old. Clinton, you don't even bother. Notice the anti-Michael Jacksons died down, just like your peers will mellow on Trump one day, unfortunately not from wisdom but probably transferring your toxicity to the next targets. Evidently hit a sore spot here, so maybe take a few minutes to calm down before deciding if the President promising something and then doing opposite of it in public is "my conspiracy" or if perhaps there's a better term to describe someone covering up evidence of a crime they promised to expose and, indeed, signed a bill indicating they must do so by law.
You have a theory of heinous crimes, but your evidence is covered up, and your reason that the evidence is covered up is because it details heinous crimes. And this happens to require the voluntary or forced (possibly by murder) silence of a large number of people.
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On October 26 2026 01:25 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2026 00:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 25 2026 23:59 oBlade wrote:On October 25 2026 23:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 25 2026 22:14 oBlade wrote:On October 25 2026 19:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 25 2026 08:30 LightSpectra wrote:
Aye It sounds like the answer to your question is that everyone should act like adults except for the irresponsible parents creating the cringeworthy moment in the first place. lol. Who truly knows for sure, though. We'll have to add it to the list of great oBlade mysteries, like who does oBlade think won the 2020 election, why does oBlade think Biden is a bigger criminal than Trump, and why does oBlade think that mail delivery can't be trusted to send someone their free voter ID while passports, driver's licenses, birth certificates, and social security cards are safely mailed all the time. Passports are not sent by first-class mail. Mail delivery is absolutely used to deliver passports. At no point did I specify the mail had to be "first-class", but either way you're wrong: I did not imply you specified the mail had to be first-class mail. I am specifying that you should not mass-send unrequested identity documents in first-class mail (which is how ballots are delivered). Me. That's what I believe. Follow yet? Then don't ask millions of people to get a voter ID. On October 25 2026 23:59 oBlade wrote:On October 25 2026 23:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:"If you applied for a passport book, it will arrive via a trackable delivery service. If you applied for a passport card, it will arrive via First Class Mail." "We return your supporting documents by First Class Mail to the mailing address you listed in your application. These documents include a previous passport, birth certificate, or naturalization certificate." https://travel.state.gov/en/passports/contact-support/faq.html This is why I said for driver's licenses and passport cards, despite being sent first-class, if you find a case where someone left boxes of them in a dumpster somewhere, tell me so I can oppose that too. You aren't reading. I am reading. What I've read so far has been essentially this: Me: The government could mail everyone the voter ID that you want eligible voters to have. You: No, because that would mean that they would be "mailing unsecured bullshit to random addresses" and that can't be trusted because voter ID would be "an easily hijacked piece of my identity" (both quotes are your exact words). Me: That's not true, and the government already securely mails everyone plenty of important identity-related documents, such as passports, driver's licenses, birth certificates, and social security cards. You: Okay, but the fact that those are mailed so securely means you can't find me boxes of them in a dumpster! Also, a driver's license allows you to drive, and a passport allows you to fly to another country! So there! This started from your olive branch routine of "surely you'd be okay with the government automatically mailing everyone a free voter ID." Yes.
This is because you live in Fantasyland and think the federal government can tell the NSA to hack everyone's selfie camera to take a picture of them and then attach it to a card with their full name and send it to their address that state registrars have on file cross-checked with the IRS and blast 300 million of those through the mail. No.
You are concern trolling about it being free because you didn't, and probably still, don't know that every state with voter ID laws has a free option, because it has to be free, because of the SCOTUS Crawford decision I already mentioned. I don't have to be "okay" with that. It's already the system. By even asking you just show you have no idea how this works. So that aside, your new and original addition is "send automatically in the mail." I asked if you were okay with it being free, and you refused to answer over and over again. Clearly, there are things you wish to change about the current system, which is why I asked you what you wanted. States having a free option doesn't imply that you want voter ID to be free.
Not a single one of the IDs you keep using as examples is sent automatically, without request, without proving who you are when you made it, or en masse. Do you understand yet or want to keep pretending not to get it? No one said otherwise. You said mail delivery was too unreliable for it to be used for receiving important identity-related documents, and I pointed out that passports, driver's licenses, birth certificates, and social security cards are all identity-related documents that are delivered through the mail just fine. Therefore, your argument to disallow mailing a person their voter ID because mail delivery is too risky doesn't seem to make much sense. It also has nothing to do with whether or not a person requested that specific piece of mail (as, again, we securely receive mail that we don't request all the time, such as bills and jury duty summons).
Some states have, or have had, ballots sent automatically, universally. Because of that, there have been multiple cases of people disposing of crates of ballots. If you sent IDs that way, you would get the same thing happening with IDs. Your causal link here ("because of that") is completely wrong. I found an article on what you're talking about, where a mail carrier got lazy and threw out a ton of mail (which included some ballots). That mail carrier should be fired for not doing their job, and face whatever charges are relevant, but this situation was not "because ballots were sent automatically, universally": https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/postal-worker-tossed-300-mail-ballots-parking-lot-garbage-laziness-rcna599224
Now for the fifth time, if you can prove that ever happening with the non-automatic, non-mass-sent IDs which you keep bringing up, I will consider modifying my beliefs about them that we should be so strict as to not send them in first-class mail either. TL;DR: Sending individually requested things that have been proven through a process is different than mass mailing an ID that was created out of thin air. DarkPlasmaBall can't admit this, even though it's obvious, because then there will be nothing left to object to about the way voter ID is currently implemented in states that use it, and it turns out the entire fear-mongering about Republicans keeping people from voting this way is baseless. I never said I could "prove" this seemingly irrelevant thing about ballots you're bringing up, and I didn't say I'm objecting to any particular implementation of a state's voter ID law. Maybe those are things you want to talk about, and maybe you've talked about them in the past or with other people, but this whole "DPB can't admit this / he can't object to [red herring]" is pretty silly.
Show nested quote +On October 26 2026 00:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What would your vision for a voter ID rollout look like? Let's say that you are in charge of creating a new voter ID policy, where you get to make the rules and you get to tell people the steps they need to take, to obtain a voter ID. What does oBlade's vision for the voter ID system look like? Georgia or Texas. Doesn't matter.
Show nested quote +On October 26 2026 00:42 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 26 2026 00:17 oBlade wrote:On October 26 2026 00:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 25 2026 22:14 oBlade wrote:
I do not want the government sending me something I didn't ask for. So now we're pivoting from "mail delivery isn't accurate or secure" to "I want to choose who officially mails everyone their voter ID". I bet plenty of people don't want the government sending them property tax bills or jury duty summons, yet those are realities too. You are the one saying that the government ought to require all eligible voters (or, at least, the voters that you personally don't like) to have a voter ID. If you don't want more government mail, then stop asking for voter ID. There is no pivot. Legitimately you don't know what voter ID means. Also if someone wants to intercept my property tax and pay it, or do my jury duty, they're welcome. Sure, but you don't get to decline that mail, just because you don't want the government sending you stuff. You are obligated to do jury duty, you aren't obligated to vote, if you get served with a summons and ignore it you start to become liable. You have to pay property taxes but you can also ignore the mail until they take your house instead. Seriously, what are you doing here?"
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On October 26 2026 02:13 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2026 01:32 Sermokala wrote:On October 24 2026 22:08 oBlade wrote:On October 24 2026 21:10 Sermokala wrote:On October 24 2026 16:01 oBlade wrote:On October 24 2026 04:57 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 24 2026 03:21 oBlade wrote:On October 24 2026 02:14 FlaShFTW wrote:On October 24 2026 02:07 oBlade wrote:On October 24 2026 01:59 dyhb wrote:
[quote]The state you left may or can still give valid ballots to your old address, or someone presenting no ID can fraudulently cast a ballot in your name. No state is required by law to inform the state the person moved from that it is no longer there.
[quote]Are you moving off of calling it cheating to file multiple lawsuits to try and overturn election results? We can agree on Trump going wider and further to a practice that you're calling part of cheating. He thinks that because Snowden happened that every level and agency of government shares and knows everything about every person. He doesn't know that just last year DHS were blocked from getting addresses for illegal immigrants from the IRS. Candidates for Senate are even voting from addresses they don't live at. It's a shambles. https://www.thebulwark.com/p/gop-operative-scott-presler-out-of-state-voters-pennsylvania-houseguests?r=1edyjzYou mean like Scott Presler? I feel like you probably know Scott Presler has never been a candidate for Senate. https://www.texastribune.org/2026/07/07/ken-paxton-voting-election-law/Sorry you're right, here's a Senator doing that. You've at last figured out the reference I was making, which was also available on the immediately preceding page of the thread you are reading because it was already just posted. It's unfortunately not the exact same link from the same source which would have been extra hilarious. On October 24 2026 06:34 maybenexttime wrote:+ Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shxLADrzX-A The most corrupt government in US history. I'm sure our local fascist bootlickers couldn't be more proud. ;-) A man using an anonymous source claimed, while giving no corroborating evidence, that Jared Kushner has a secret two billion dollars of corrupt money. Amazing. We should bring back debtors' prisons so anyone placed in that situation can sue the person making such claims into a bankruptcy. You should be able to sue for damages up to the made-up amount of the accusation. So that should go to a court, the guy who claimed it should have to prove it or else he should have to pay restitution, and when he can't afford it, he should have to face a slow, torturous death while trying to make two billion dollars worth of license plates while confined to a room. On October 24 2026 08:23 Sermokala wrote:On October 24 2026 06:31 Billyboy wrote:
It is so strange that this is a big issue in the US. Every time it’s investigated it turns out there is no, or very little voter fraud. The big issue in US politics is the massive amounts of “donations” and the costs of running a campaign. Clearly all those donations have huge implications in future policy choices and it should be the bi partisan issue that every American agrees is a problem. I think its strange that Republicans keep coming up with solutions to imaginary problems that would instead solve completly different problems if they were possible. Like the idea that Minnesota is the heart of Fraud. If being the heart of fraud gives you the economic sucsess of Minnesota we need to start doing a lot more fraud in america. If republicans really wanted to demonize america they would look at the cabal of unelected technocrats appointed by the governor that is given taxing authority, authority to dictate to local governments what they will do if they don't want their insurance as well as their state funding revoked, that operates the states major airport, that is not accountable to anybody, that is a literal cabal of people who decide the economic future of the people in the state. We're going to be the state for Rare gas distribution with Helium for medical devices, CO2 for agricultural production and for the largest accumulation of Helium three found in the world. I can't be sure I'm understanding this right. The Democrat governor of Minnesota appointed a cabal of unelected technocrats? And Sermokala needs Republicans to fix this? (lol) When every executive in the country, every governor and president, has the authority to appoint people to... appointed positions? Are you even talking about the Technical Advisory Council, or the Metropolitan Council, or did you confuse them for each other as being the same thing? You're not understanding it right, the idea that it needs fixed or that anyone wants it to be "fixed" isn't the point its that it would be a much more valid and real monster to fear monger about. You were unable to clarify whether you were talking about the TAC or Met Council or whether you even knew what you were talking about with this "cabal" that you think Republicans should be fear mongering about, even though you apparently personally think there's nothing wrong with it. Maybe just to distract from the fraud. The thing is both councils are in the law as existing, so them being appointed by the governor is following the law (normal). Fraud, on the other hand, being illegal, NOT doing fraud is correct (fraud is bad). On October 24 2026 21:10 Sermokala wrote:
It should say something to normal people that the black muslim woman who speaks out against trump is the one being attacked by the DOJ right near the election. It says "No one is above the law." On October 24 2026 21:10 Sermokala wrote:
That you would call Minnesota the state of fraud despite no evidence that its actually got more fraud than any other state would is the joke. Normally fraud would be punished or be a bad thing but if we acepted your framing then every state should increase their fraud so they can be on the level of minnesota. I could also call Minnesota the state with no subways, it wouldn't mean California and New York should blow up their subways to achieve future success with the helium industry, what the hell are you talking about? By gross volume it would probably be California, per capita Minnesota seems to have some massive cases that bring it up due to its much smaller population. You clearly knew what I was talking about and identified exactly what I was talking about. If someone refers to something and then they indentify it immediatly that menas I told you what it was. This is a gotcha of "Ha so I did figure out what you were talking about". No I don't think there is anything wrong with the reason why we are so rich as a state. The airport they manage is ranked constantly as a top hub in the nation. You can't tell me whether it's the TAC or Met Council that you were talking about, but whatever it is, you have no problem with them and their management. Alright. I think we should let Republicans off the hook for not being mad at (either of) them, then. Show nested quote +On October 26 2026 01:32 Sermokala wrote:
Come on Oblade you can't be so dense as to not see the cross section of hate trump has for omar. The First muslim woman elected to congress, a democrat, from minnesota, and black? He whined and bitched about his court cases during the last presidential election beacuse "they were happening too close to the election" but now that hes not up for election its perfectly fine to send the DOJ to raid a politician's house. For someone who used the word "lawfare" you seem to not see the actual use of it very well. I don't think proximity to an election is exculpatory. You know the level of scrutiny from judges the DOJ had to pass to get those warrants? Show nested quote +On October 26 2026 01:32 Sermokala wrote:
I don't know what the hell you're talking about with subways. We have public transportation in the state subways are just another form of transportation.
I was saying if we are the state of fraud than we should be exporting more fraud in the nation so other states can have the economic sucsess of Minnesota and california. Yes and I am saying by that logic New York and California could destroy their subways to have the economic success of Minnesota, which has no subways. Because, like economies and subways, fraud and economies are different. Show nested quote +On October 26 2026 01:45 Sermokala wrote:
Its funny to see Oblade work himself into argueing against voter ID and explain why its so unreasonable to expect a federal level of ID like what the save act wanted. Drivers licences are state issued and wouldn't work as federal voting identification. People are talking about the fantaseyland ID because that would be the only reasonable solution to millions and millions of people suddenly not having the ability to vote anymore beacuse they don't have the right papers.
Voter ID laws without a universial ID card is just voter supression. There is no argument you can make that you would stop less people from illegally voteing than you would prevent people from legaly voteing with voter id. The Senate bill for the SAVE America Act literally accepted state driver's licenses for voting. You're just opining. No awareness. “(c) Valid photo identifications described.—For purposes of this section, a ‘valid photo identification’ means, with respect to an individual who seeks to vote in a State, any of the following:
“(1) A valid State-issued motor vehicle driver’s license that includes a photo of the individual and an expiration date.
“(2) A valid State-issued identification card that includes a photo of the individual and an expiration date issued by a State motor vehicle authority.
“(3) A valid United States passport for the individual.
“(4) A valid military identification for the individual.
“(5) A valid identification document issued by a Tribal government that includes a photo of the individual and an expiration date. This is the text that made it as far as the Senate. A driver's license per se is not proof of citizenship. But you wouldn't prove that every time you voted. You prove that when registering. Show nested quote +On October 26 2026 01:43 Billyboy wrote:On October 26 2026 00:17 oBlade wrote:On October 26 2026 00:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 25 2026 22:14 oBlade wrote:
I do not want the government sending me something I didn't ask for. So now we're pivoting from "mail delivery isn't accurate or secure" to "I want to choose who officially mails everyone their voter ID". I bet plenty of people don't want the government sending them property tax bills or jury duty summons, yet those are realities too. You are the one saying that the government ought to require all eligible voters (or, at least, the voters that you personally don't like) to have a voter ID. If you don't want more government mail, then stop asking for voter ID. There is no pivot. Legitimately you don't know what voter ID means. Also if someone wants to intercept my property tax and pay it, or do my jury duty, they're welcome. The worry about the property tax isn’t that they are going to pay it, it is that they will get your personal information for possible identity theft. So being scared of the ID but not this is just your standard logical incongruity. They will not get your passport number or state ID number or social security number. But go ahead, request it electronically. Go paperless.
Why would put all those numbers visible on an ID?
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