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On August 21 2026 22:40 LightSpectra wrote: There's a lot of discourse about how economic downturns directly leads people to fascism or other extremist ideologies, but that hasn't actually played out in history. There have been 30 or so recessions and depressions in United States history and while it's true that Know Nothings and Teabaggers arose after some of them, there were also plenty of similarly-sized extremist groups that arose during prosperous times, and almost all of them petered out without receiving significant political power the way MAGA did. It can't be a coincidence that everyone owning a smartphone with social media coincided with the meteoric rise of far-right movements across the world and it can't simply be explained by material conditions.
Economic downfall leads to more crime and more radical policies are a known fact.
You can blame it on social media, but social media like any other media, only spread more information. We aren't being shut in by mainstream media/state media, because people can directly access all sort of information from people being directly impacted.
Globalist policies has been going on past non stop for a decade, a strong conservative movment was bound to happen sooner or later to so correction. "People shouldn't be so extreme" or "they are getting wrong information" is not something your mind should go to, because you are begging for having even more gov controlled narrative.
To clarify: when I say "social media ban" I actually just mean social media that's organized by hidden algorithms.
I have nothing against internet forums, or how Facebook used to work before there was a general feed that displayed "suggested content" from people/organizations you didn't explicitly opt to follow. These algorithms are cooked with the explicit intent to spread anger, misinformation, and extremism.
I don't know why there must be some "correction" to "globalism", maybe define both of these terms and I can comment on it.
Anger isn't always a bad thing.
So it wouldn't be a bad thing if I said you had an undeveloped brain and whore mother?
On August 21 2026 22:40 LightSpectra wrote: There's a lot of discourse about how economic downturns directly leads people to fascism or other extremist ideologies, but that hasn't actually played out in history. There have been 30 or so recessions and depressions in United States history and while it's true that Know Nothings and Teabaggers arose after some of them, there were also plenty of similarly-sized extremist groups that arose during prosperous times, and almost all of them petered out without receiving significant political power the way MAGA did. It can't be a coincidence that everyone owning a smartphone with social media coincided with the meteoric rise of far-right movements across the world and it can't simply be explained by material conditions.
Economic downfall leads to more crime and more radical policies are a known fact.
You can blame it on social media, but social media like any other media, only spread more information. We aren't being shut in by mainstream media/state media, because people can directly access all sort of information from people being directly impacted.
Globalist policies has been going on past non stop for a decade, a strong conservative movment was bound to happen sooner or later to so correction. "People shouldn't be so extreme" or "they are getting wrong information" is not something your mind should go to, because you are begging for having even more gov controlled narrative.
To clarify: when I say "social media ban" I actually just mean social media that's organized by hidden algorithms.
I have nothing against internet forums, or how Facebook used to work before there was a general feed that displayed "suggested content" from people/organizations you didn't explicitly opt to follow. These algorithms are cooked with the explicit intent to spread anger, misinformation, and extremism.
I don't know why there must be some "correction" to "globalism", maybe define both of these terms and I can comment on it.
Anger isn't always a bad thing.
So it wouldn't be a bad thing if I said you had an undeveloped brain and whore mother?
What if I told you I don't care about random internet users comment?
It seems like valuable medical information. Why would you not be concerned about this information? Presumably because you already received it from other authoritative sources.
Disgusting behavior.
It’s only information. This is yet another example of right wing censorship of information.
On August 22 2026 09:45 Billyboy wrote: I mean, I’m totally for social media regulation or bans. It is just strange to hold the belief that social media is the devil and controls people’s minds and use it, thinking you are somehow immune. Especially when they are owned and controlled by the people you consider the worst of the worst.
I find it more concerning that you can‘t really opt out of it. Maybe these companies used to work in isolation but they are all connected nowadays. It doesn‘t matter if you avoid using facebook, it will still get data from other services like google and build a profile on you.
Besides, it‘s hard to avoid using whatsapp since it‘s practicable.
The end result is that the US exports itself everywhere (and its core ideologies it needs at a given time). Since you use it even when you don‘t, you might as well.
Well it still knows you, but its ability to influence you is much much lower if you don’t use it.
On August 21 2026 22:40 LightSpectra wrote: There's a lot of discourse about how economic downturns directly leads people to fascism or other extremist ideologies, but that hasn't actually played out in history. There have been 30 or so recessions and depressions in United States history and while it's true that Know Nothings and Teabaggers arose after some of them, there were also plenty of similarly-sized extremist groups that arose during prosperous times, and almost all of them petered out without receiving significant political power the way MAGA did. It can't be a coincidence that everyone owning a smartphone with social media coincided with the meteoric rise of far-right movements across the world and it can't simply be explained by material conditions.
Economic downfall leads to more crime and more radical policies are a known fact.
You can blame it on social media, but social media like any other media, only spread more information. We aren't being shut in by mainstream media/state media, because people can directly access all sort of information from people being directly impacted.
Globalist policies has been going on past non stop for a decade, a strong conservative movment was bound to happen sooner or later to so correction. "People shouldn't be so extreme" or "they are getting wrong information" is not something your mind should go to, because you are begging for having even more gov controlled narrative.
To clarify: when I say "social media ban" I actually just mean social media that's organized by hidden algorithms.
I have nothing against internet forums, or how Facebook used to work before there was a general feed that displayed "suggested content" from people/organizations you didn't explicitly opt to follow. These algorithms are cooked with the explicit intent to spread anger, misinformation, and extremism.
I don't know why there must be some "correction" to "globalism", maybe define both of these terms and I can comment on it.
Anger isn't always a bad thing.
So it wouldn't be a bad thing if I said you had an undeveloped brain and whore mother?
On August 22 2026 12:21 KwarK wrote:
On August 22 2026 11:37 ETisME wrote:
On August 22 2026 10:29 LightSpectra wrote:
On August 22 2026 10:19 ETisME wrote:
On August 22 2026 09:59 LightSpectra wrote:
On August 22 2026 09:45 ETisME wrote:
On August 21 2026 22:40 LightSpectra wrote: There's a lot of discourse about how economic downturns directly leads people to fascism or other extremist ideologies, but that hasn't actually played out in history. There have been 30 or so recessions and depressions in United States history and while it's true that Know Nothings and Teabaggers arose after some of them, there were also plenty of similarly-sized extremist groups that arose during prosperous times, and almost all of them petered out without receiving significant political power the way MAGA did. It can't be a coincidence that everyone owning a smartphone with social media coincided with the meteoric rise of far-right movements across the world and it can't simply be explained by material conditions.
Economic downfall leads to more crime and more radical policies are a known fact.
You can blame it on social media, but social media like any other media, only spread more information. We aren't being shut in by mainstream media/state media, because people can directly access all sort of information from people being directly impacted.
Globalist policies has been going on past non stop for a decade, a strong conservative movment was bound to happen sooner or later to so correction. "People shouldn't be so extreme" or "they are getting wrong information" is not something your mind should go to, because you are begging for having even more gov controlled narrative.
To clarify: when I say "social media ban" I actually just mean social media that's organized by hidden algorithms.
I have nothing against internet forums, or how Facebook used to work before there was a general feed that displayed "suggested content" from people/organizations you didn't explicitly opt to follow. These algorithms are cooked with the explicit intent to spread anger, misinformation, and extremism.
I don't know why there must be some "correction" to "globalism", maybe define both of these terms and I can comment on it.
Anger isn't always a bad thing.
So it wouldn't be a bad thing if I said you had an undeveloped brain and whore mother?
What if I told you I don't care about random internet users comment?
It seems like valuable medical information. Why would you not be concerned about this information? Presumably because you already received it from other authoritative sources.
Disgusting behavior.
It’s only information. This is yet another example of right wing censorship of information.
These snow flakes and their cancel culture, when will they man up?
On August 21 2026 13:39 Sermokala wrote: Theres a serious conversation about how and why young men fall down into the alt right>neo nazi pipeline to be had. Things are going to get much worse in the next economic collapse but young men these days are in a dire place. There is just so much hate and anger in them and society is not giving them any help in dealing with it. They get taught that they're the bad person and they don't understand why.
The problem is almost all social movements nowadays are about anti-establishment more than anything else.
You have all these pro Palestine with lgbtq+ and feminism group, Australia and many have these same group with pro Aboriginals group etc.
Men don't belong to minority and hence they don't get support from these well funded organized group. What slogan can they feel comfortable to use?
Rofl, some men are assholes because they just don't have it hard enough in live and therefore they have zero lobby supporting their life structure. We should just give minorities and women less of a thought, so that assholes don't feel bad bout themselves.
Watching Trump more closely as these talks have gone on ... he's got smart phone neck. So does Carney, but not as bad. They look weird together with their heads stuck forward. The look like 2 ETs. LOL.
On August 22 2026 15:23 Broetchenholer wrote: We should just give minorities and women less of a thought, so that assholes don't feel bad bout themselves.
or you can move to Canada. they don't call it the great white north for nothing!
On August 21 2026 13:39 Sermokala wrote: Theres a serious conversation about how and why young men fall down into the alt right>neo nazi pipeline to be had. Things are going to get much worse in the next economic collapse but young men these days are in a dire place. There is just so much hate and anger in them and society is not giving them any help in dealing with it. They get taught that they're the bad person and they don't understand why.
You have all these pro Palestine with lgbtq+ and feminism group, Australia and many have these same group with pro Aboriginals group etc.
Men don't belong to minority and hence they don't get support from these well funded organized group. What slogan can they feel comfortable to use?
Rofl, some men are assholes because they just don't have it hard enough in live and therefore they have zero lobby supporting their life structure. We should just give minorities and women less of a thought, so that assholes don't feel bad bout themselves.
Equality isn't a zero sum game. Feminism up until now was fighting a lot of legitimate equality and needed to be anti-establishment to get the change that was needed.
But this incredibly toxic idea that we should be creating more neo nazis by not only ignoring the issues with young white men but to antagonize them further is ghastly.
Theres a ton of issues when a social movement goes from being in the minority to being the majority. You can't just hand wave things like women only getting the ability to get a bank account and own a business in the 1970's in america. But, the cratering of relationships between men and women isn't a one sided affair.
Its not just that there are no well-funded organized groups for men but the ones that are there are dieing like the lions or just don't exist.
"They have worked hard, in good faith, to defend the interests of Canadians throughout these negotiations up until the very last minute. However, last-minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms were unfair, uneconomic, and called into question the reliability of any deal."
fucks sake just physically incapable of acting in good faith.
I love/hate how we are pretending that there is any reliability from the Trump administration, even without any last minute changes.
Every negotiation with the current administration should start with the other party declaring the US is fundamentally untrustworthy and leaving.
You CANNOT negotiate a deal in good faith with Trump at the helm. Period.
Trump keeps doing this shit because the entire world keeps pretending like the old rules still apply rather then calling it out to his face every single time.
It's just staggering that the literal only qualification he had to be president was that he was a dealmaker (at least according to his own PR), and he's even shit at that.
On August 21 2026 13:39 Sermokala wrote: Theres a serious conversation about how and why young men fall down into the alt right>neo nazi pipeline to be had. Things are going to get much worse in the next economic collapse but young men these days are in a dire place. There is just so much hate and anger in them and society is not giving them any help in dealing with it. They get taught that they're the bad person and they don't understand why.
You have all these pro Palestine with lgbtq+ and feminism group, Australia and many have these same group with pro Aboriginals group etc.
Men don't belong to minority and hence they don't get support from these well funded organized group. What slogan can they feel comfortable to use?
Rofl, some men are assholes because they just don't have it hard enough in live and therefore they have zero lobby supporting their life structure. We should just give minorities and women less of a thought, so that assholes don't feel bad bout themselves.
Equality isn't a zero sum game. Feminism up until now was fighting a lot of legitimate equality and needed to be anti-establishment to get the change that was needed.
But this incredibly toxic idea that we should be creating more neo nazis by not only ignoring the issues with young white men but to antagonize them further is ghastly.
Theres a ton of issues when a social movement goes from being in the minority to being the majority. You can't just hand wave things like women only getting the ability to get a bank account and own a business in the 1970's in america. But, the cratering of relationships between men and women isn't a one sided affair.
Its not just that there are no well-funded organized groups for men but the ones that are there are dieing like the lions or just don't exist.
"They have worked hard, in good faith, to defend the interests of Canadians throughout these negotiations up until the very last minute. However, last-minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms were unfair, uneconomic, and called into question the reliability of any deal."
fucks sake just physically incapable of acting in good faith.
I... can't tell whether you use the most sarcasm ever or none, sorry. To be clear, I was being sarcastic. To me, the reason people are turning towards neo nazi/ alt right solutions is they feel that capitalism is slowly choking their wealth away while the establishment shrugs or is bad at communicating how they want to fix this and the alt right just screams immigrant transgender rapists want to take your bathrooms away. And then the Internet amplifies that enough.
White young men habe all the political agency they could ever need, the issue is if they are not already rich, they can still feel they are losing the game of life and the fact that everyone else not rich has it even worse then them registers enough to them that they feel these groups are not them, but they are still tricked into thinking these groups get more attention and benefits.
On August 21 2026 13:39 Sermokala wrote: Theres a serious conversation about how and why young men fall down into the alt right>neo nazi pipeline to be had. Things are going to get much worse in the next economic collapse but young men these days are in a dire place. There is just so much hate and anger in them and society is not giving them any help in dealing with it. They get taught that they're the bad person and they don't understand why.
You have all these pro Palestine with lgbtq+ and feminism group, Australia and many have these same group with pro Aboriginals group etc.
Men don't belong to minority and hence they don't get support from these well funded organized group. What slogan can they feel comfortable to use?
Rofl, some men are assholes because they just don't have it hard enough in live and therefore they have zero lobby supporting their life structure. We should just give minorities and women less of a thought, so that assholes don't feel bad bout themselves.
Equality isn't a zero sum game. Feminism up until now was fighting a lot of legitimate equality and needed to be anti-establishment to get the change that was needed.
But this incredibly toxic idea that we should be creating more neo nazis by not only ignoring the issues with young white men but to antagonize them further is ghastly.
Theres a ton of issues when a social movement goes from being in the minority to being the majority. You can't just hand wave things like women only getting the ability to get a bank account and own a business in the 1970's in america. But, the cratering of relationships between men and women isn't a one sided affair.
Its not just that there are no well-funded organized groups for men but the ones that are there are dieing like the lions or just don't exist.
"They have worked hard, in good faith, to defend the interests of Canadians throughout these negotiations up until the very last minute. However, last-minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms were unfair, uneconomic, and called into question the reliability of any deal."
fucks sake just physically incapable of acting in good faith.
I... can't tell whether you use the most sarcasm ever or none, sorry. To be clear, I was being sarcastic. To me, the reason people are turning towards neo nazi/ alt right solutions is they feel that capitalism is slowly choking their wealth away while the establishment shrugs or is bad at communicating how they want to fix this and the alt right just screams immigrant transgender rapists want to take your bathrooms away. And then the Internet amplifies that enough.
White young men habe all the political agency they could ever need, the issue is if they are not already rich, they can still feel they are losing the game of life and the fact that everyone else not rich has it even worse then them registers enough to them that they feel these groups are not them, but they are still tricked into thinking these groups get more attention and benefits.
I know but I'm not going to quote the other guy.
I think you ignore the social and cultural norms to your peril in these cases. I'm at my last family gathering and my cousin brings his new baby around, who are the members of the family that are trusted to hold them? I'm as physically capable as anyone and I should be trusted with being able to hold them, but theres not even the thought of it. If a woman brings up her mental health everyone comes up to support them, when a man does it its only used against them.
Just look at every time the male loneliness epidemic is brought up, you get people out of the woodwork to make fun of men and ignore their real issues. The Man vs Bear debate is the same, the humiliation and inherent lack of trust in men who have done nothing wrong and are never given a chance to be anything but a monster in the publics eyes.
Unclear why liberal Canada would retaliate by imposing a tax on its own citizens like that. They should know that tariffs are taxes by now. It's like punching themselves in the face to get back at Trump.
On August 23 2026 03:46 oBlade wrote: Unclear why liberal Canada would retaliate by imposing a tax on its own citizens like that. They should know that tariffs are taxes by now. It's like punching themselves in the face to get back at Trump.
You seem to spend a lot of time being confused by things everyone else understands.
The big problem Trump has in making this deal with Canada is Trump himself. Something like 90% of people here now dislike him most to the point where we are willing to suffer some economic pain to make sure he doesn’t get a win. We realize his word is worthless and no deal is going to last past the next time he needs a distraction any way.
People are saying anything worse than free trade is not worth it, suffer till the next guy and make that person look good. Our whole economic plan revolves around finding new markets to buy from and sell into. We know the US will always matter due to location and size of the market. But we also know it is completely unreliable.
Any deal that is not better or at least the same as before, is political suicide, this is front page news here. Everyone has an opinion and no one, even in areas that used to pro Trump, think we should capitulate, even a little.
On August 23 2026 03:46 oBlade wrote: Unclear why liberal Canada would retaliate by imposing a tax on its own citizens like that. They should know that tariffs are taxes by now. It's like punching themselves in the face to get back at Trump.
"Unclear why that dude I hit to steal his lunch money is punching me back. He should know that violence is not a good thing".
On August 21 2026 13:39 Sermokala wrote: Theres a serious conversation about how and why young men fall down into the alt right>neo nazi pipeline to be had. Things are going to get much worse in the next economic collapse but young men these days are in a dire place. There is just so much hate and anger in them and society is not giving them any help in dealing with it. They get taught that they're the bad person and they don't understand why.
You have all these pro Palestine with lgbtq+ and feminism group, Australia and many have these same group with pro Aboriginals group etc.
Men don't belong to minority and hence they don't get support from these well funded organized group. What slogan can they feel comfortable to use?
Rofl, some men are assholes because they just don't have it hard enough in live and therefore they have zero lobby supporting their life structure. We should just give minorities and women less of a thought, so that assholes don't feel bad bout themselves.
Equality isn't a zero sum game. Feminism up until now was fighting a lot of legitimate equality and needed to be anti-establishment to get the change that was needed.
But this incredibly toxic idea that we should be creating more neo nazis by not only ignoring the issues with young white men but to antagonize them further is ghastly.
Theres a ton of issues when a social movement goes from being in the minority to being the majority. You can't just hand wave things like women only getting the ability to get a bank account and own a business in the 1970's in america. But, the cratering of relationships between men and women isn't a one sided affair.
Its not just that there are no well-funded organized groups for men but the ones that are there are dieing like the lions or just don't exist.
"They have worked hard, in good faith, to defend the interests of Canadians throughout these negotiations up until the very last minute. However, last-minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms were unfair, uneconomic, and called into question the reliability of any deal."
fucks sake just physically incapable of acting in good faith.
I... can't tell whether you use the most sarcasm ever or none, sorry. To be clear, I was being sarcastic. To me, the reason people are turning towards neo nazi/ alt right solutions is they feel that capitalism is slowly choking their wealth away while the establishment shrugs or is bad at communicating how they want to fix this and the alt right just screams immigrant transgender rapists want to take your bathrooms away. And then the Internet amplifies that enough.
White young men habe all the political agency they could ever need, the issue is if they are not already rich, they can still feel they are losing the game of life and the fact that everyone else not rich has it even worse then them registers enough to them that they feel these groups are not them, but they are still tricked into thinking these groups get more attention and benefits.
I know but I'm not going to quote the other guy.
I think you ignore the social and cultural norms to your peril in these cases. I'm at my last family gathering and my cousin brings his new baby around, who are the members of the family that are trusted to hold them? I'm as physically capable as anyone and I should be trusted with being able to hold them, but theres not even the thought of it. If a woman brings up her mental health everyone comes up to support them, when a man does it its only used against them.
Just look at every time the male loneliness epidemic is brought up, you get people out of the woodwork to make fun of men and ignore their real issues. The Man vs Bear debate is the same, the humiliation and inherent lack of trust in men who have done nothing wrong and are never given a chance to be anything but a monster in the publics eyes.
That is one very specific angle where women are allowed a tad better outcome compared to men and even that has it's nuances. For instance society is very much changing to accept men as caretakers more and more.
The world has gotten more lonely in general, women just don't have to find a life long relationship anymore and endure it to be alive. I struggle to see why this should explain the drastic rise in especially alt right or neo nazi circles. The world is definitely getting more unhinged because the old societal structures are breaking up, and the new ones are just pure anger amplification and cold heartedness, I don't disagree with you here. I just disagree that this is the main driver of the political right.
Over the decades Canada has become more and more intertwined with the USA on , primarily, a voluntary basis. US trade negotiators seek to increase integration with Canada on an involuntary basis.
All this said, the first FTA between Canada and the USA was rejected by Canadians in 1988.
On August 23 2026 03:46 oBlade wrote: Unclear why liberal Canada would retaliate by imposing a tax on its own citizens like that. They should know that tariffs are taxes by now. It's like punching themselves in the face to get back at Trump.
On August 23 2026 03:46 oBlade wrote: Unclear why liberal Canada would retaliate by imposing a tax on its own citizens like that. They should know that tariffs are taxes by now. It's like punching themselves in the face to get back at Trump.
what the hell does "liberal Canada" mean? LOL.
Anything not MAGA is "liberal" to these people (which is usually the same as socialist and/or communist). Probably makes politics very simple.
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