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On July 01 2026 01:18 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:11 LightSpectra wrote:On July 01 2026 00:56 WombaT wrote:
That said I’m not really sure it’s fair on female athletes to have trans athletes who may have physical advantages amongst their number There are innumerable genes unrelated to sex that result in large advantages in sports, to say nothing of non-genetic factors. Perhaps we should have separate leagues for people who grew up in wealthy households because nutritional deficiencies during the childhood development of impoverished children makes their ability to fairly compete impossible too. It's extra dumb when you're talking about grade school sports. None of my kids were super successful in soccer or baseball, but I never once had the urge to blame it on what's in the pants of the kids they were playing against. Because I'm not a moron. Would you be interested in progressing to making all sports co-ed?
I think co-ed would be an interesting idea if we could stratify the leagues based on ability, as opposed to just based on sex. It could be multiple tiers, like Tier 1 is the best of the best athletes in that sport, then Tier 2 is the next set of strong players, then Tier 3 for weaker players, etc. Any sex/gender could challenge into the sport and they could land wherever they deserve in that tier/ladder system. (If Tier 1 ends up being 100% men or 100% women or 50/50 or 90/10 or 70/30, then so be it, as long as everyone gets their chance to compete and is then placed at an accurate rank.)
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Ah, yes, let's get ready for another few pages of successful bait into folks arguing about an incredibly fringe issue affecting a minute percentage of the population, what a wonderful representation of the very successful right wing tactic that has been dominating politics for the last 10 years especially, but more broadly for more then 30.
And just like the bigots who had to take an L on gay rights (but are trying to claw this back too) they will care this is about "think of the children".
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On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues.
On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited?
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Right on queue, bigot #2 has hit the thread to flex his biology, endocrinology, law and sports science expertise.
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On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery.
If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing.
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On July 01 2026 01:32 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage. Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues.
Women-only leagues exist because women are discriminated against. If discrimination against women ceased to exist, then there wouldn't be a structural inequality when women play against men.
Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited?
I don't think there is a biological advantage. If there was, it hasn't shown up in any statistically meaningful way. Riley Gaines started a trans panic because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman, if trans people were excluded from the NCAA she still would've placed fifth.
I mentioned childhood nutritional deficiency in an earlier comment. Why don't Republicans support universal free school and summer meals for children so that doesn't cause unfairness in sports? Well, because it turns out, none of you actually give the tiniest of shits about that, this issue has always just been about ostracizing trans people wherever and whenever possible.
On July 01 2026 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery. If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing.
Not only is your argument completely unsupported by any scientific evidence whatsoever, we both know you'd never do that because you're not brave enough to undergo the discrimination and hatred that trans people do.
You can resume bragging about voting for people who sexually abuse women now that you're done pretending to care about fairness in women's sports.
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On July 01 2026 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery. If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing.
Video proof of you pitching or fuck you.
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On July 01 2026 01:44 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:32 oBlade wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage. Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues. Women-only leagues exist because women are discriminated against. If discrimination against women ceased to exist, then there wouldn't be a structural inequality when women play against men. Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited? I don't think there is a biological advantage. If there was, it hasn't shown up in any statistically meaningful way. Riley Gaines started a trans panic because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman, if trans people were excluded from the NCAA she still would've placed fifth. I mentioned childhood nutritional deficiency in an earlier comment. Why don't Republicans support universal free school and summer meals for children so that doesn't cause unfairness in sports? Well, because it turns out, none of you actually give the tiniest of shits about that, this issue has always just been about ostracizing trans people wherever and whenever possible. Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery. If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing. Not only is your argument completely unsupported by any scientific evidence whatsoever, we both know you'd never do that because you're not brave enough to undergo the discrimination and hatred that trans people do. You can resume bragging about voting for people who sexually abuse women now that you're done pretending to care about fairness in women's sports.
You did not read my post then... About boy's baseball. Check back and get back to me.
I care about baseball. Check the baseball threads. No pretending required.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 01 2026 01:44 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:32 oBlade wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage. Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues. Women-only leagues exist because women are discriminated against. If discrimination against women ceased to exist, then there wouldn't be a structural inequality when women play against men. Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited? I don't think there is a biological advantage. If there was, it hasn't shown up in any statistically meaningful way. Riley Gaines started a trans panic because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman, if trans people were excluded from the NCAA she still would've placed fifth. I mentioned childhood nutritional deficiency in an earlier comment. Why don't Republicans support universal free school and summer meals for children so that doesn't cause unfairness in sports? Well, because it turns out, none of you actually give the tiniest of shits about that, this issue has always just been about ostracizing trans people wherever and whenever possible. Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery. If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing. Not only is your argument completely unsupported by any scientific evidence whatsoever, we both know you'd never do that because you're not brave enough to undergo the discrimination and hatred that trans people do. You can resume bragging about voting for people who sexually abuse women now that you're done pretending to care about fairness in women's sports.
Are you seriously arguing there isn’t a general biological advantage?
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I was at pride this weekend and I have to say I've never seen such definitive evidence that gender is a spectrum. It was honestly mindblowing to see such variation in expression.
Humans are so much more amazing than our current society wants us be for the sake of "profit" (read: exploiting people to death).
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On July 01 2026 00:46 PoulsenB wrote:
This decision is just another step towards legislating trans people out of existence in the US. While there is a valid discussion to be had about trans people in sports, the whole trend in the us has been very sad to observe. I thought it was pretty ridiculous to shoehorn Title IX from 1972 into something other than biological sex.
I do think "a valid discussion to be had about trans people in sports" is harmonious with the ordinary process of discussing and drafting and passing legislation. Which, as I would expect, cause different outcomes from different discussions happening in different states.
I'm also very skeptical on the hyperbolic (and practically designed to push people to organize against you) "legislating trans people out of existence." The common sense approach is that sports and bathrooms are special for sex-segregation. You walk up to an ordinary person and tell them that they're participating in just another step towards extermination, and they properly will think you're crazy.
On July 01 2026 01:50 WombaT wrote:
Are you seriously arguing there isn’t a general biological advantage? Some people are incredibly allergic to admitting this. It’s not really an argument per se, but an attitude towards arguing the exceptions to the rule.
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On July 01 2026 01:50 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:44 LightSpectra wrote:On July 01 2026 01:32 oBlade wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage. Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues. Women-only leagues exist because women are discriminated against. If discrimination against women ceased to exist, then there wouldn't be a structural inequality when women play against men. On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited? I don't think there is a biological advantage. If there was, it hasn't shown up in any statistically meaningful way. Riley Gaines started a trans panic because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman, if trans people were excluded from the NCAA she still would've placed fifth. I mentioned childhood nutritional deficiency in an earlier comment. Why don't Republicans support universal free school and summer meals for children so that doesn't cause unfairness in sports? Well, because it turns out, none of you actually give the tiniest of shits about that, this issue has always just been about ostracizing trans people wherever and whenever possible. On July 01 2026 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery. If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing. Not only is your argument completely unsupported by any scientific evidence whatsoever, we both know you'd never do that because you're not brave enough to undergo the discrimination and hatred that trans people do. You can resume bragging about voting for people who sexually abuse women now that you're done pretending to care about fairness in women's sports. Are you seriously arguing there isn’t a general biological advantage?
Well first of all, there can't be a biological sex advantage until "biological male" and "biological female" are properly defined.
Caster Semenya is a cisgender woman (female genitalia, assigned "female" at birth) who naturally produces more testosterone than most women do. 2019 World Athletics rule changes resulted in her being banned for not being female enough. FOX News falsely reported on her as being trans, which she isn't.
Most rules designed to exclude trans women from sports end up excluding more cis women because the definition is arbitrary and usually stupid.
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On July 01 2026 01:33 Jankisa wrote:
Right on queue, bigot #2 has hit the thread to flex his biology, endocrinology, law and sports science expertise.
Who is #1 and who is #2?
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On July 01 2026 01:44 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:32 oBlade wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage. Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues. Women-only leagues exist because women are discriminated against. If discrimination against women ceased to exist, then there wouldn't be a structural inequality when women play against men. Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited? I don't think there is a biological advantage. If there was, it hasn't shown up in any statistically meaningful way. Riley Gaines started a trans panic because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman, if trans people were excluded from the NCAA she still would've placed fifth.
That wasn't the question.
The question was nothing to do with anything "trans" and any "trans" advantage.
You said women's leagues exist "not simply because men have a biological advantage."
To honest people, this means you are acknowledging men have a biological advantage, but that you don't think it's why there are sex-segregated sports. Rather, you think society - which has discriminated against women for how many years do you think? - for hundreds of years has been so paradoxically keen to level the playing field for women, for them to have an equal chance to compete in their own sports, since before they could vote even, that it carved out special leagues and competitions and tournaments for them. At least we can open a new mental gymnastics league just for you.
That's what the word "simply" does.
Otherwise the "simply" is redundant and you should have just said "not because men have a biological advantage, which they don't have."
You're confusing issues on purpose by putting a "trans" example here like well even if this person competes in this league or that league, it's not unfair, so why have separate leagues. That's different than whether the bifurcated leagues should exist to begin with. Forget "trans." The question is women's and men's leagues.
If you believe men have no biological advantage over women, please just clarify that now so everyone can laugh at you until the end of time.
On July 01 2026 01:44 LightSpectra wrote:
I mentioned childhood nutritional deficiency in an earlier comment. Why don't Republicans support universal free school and summer meals for children so that doesn't cause unfairness in sports? Well, because it turns out, none of you actually give the tiniest of shits about that, this issue has always just been about ostracizing trans people wherever and whenever possible.
I'm not a Republican. Vent at KwarK buddy.
Also it's pretty regressive that you think children should only get free food at school, right? I guess after school and on the weekend they can just go hungry. I'm actually against hungry children everywhere at all times.
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Also, you can't always go by "what the experts think" when it comes to biomechanics.
Dr. Frank Jobe estimated the chance of Tommy John surgery working as 1%. He was wrong. All the Tommy John surgeries performed in the 70s were a success. Dr. Jobe and 'the experts' changed their view.
So I am not too worried about this 'no scientific evidence' blap. Male joint geometry and tendon stiffness promotes more power generated by muscular movements. This is how you get tiny Tim Lincecum throwing at 97mph.
Also, like many other small pro athletes from Doug Gilmour to Dennis 'oil can't Boyd he bullshits about his height and weight. Just look at Lincecum when he stands beside a guy who weighs 180 lbs. Tim looks like his is going to blow away in the wind.
Anyhow , you get 155 lb males throwing 97mph and a WNBA player weighing 60+ lbs heavier and a foot taller can not crack 70mph.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 01 2026 01:55 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:50 WombaT wrote:On July 01 2026 01:44 LightSpectra wrote:On July 01 2026 01:32 oBlade wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage. Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues. Women-only leagues exist because women are discriminated against. If discrimination against women ceased to exist, then there wouldn't be a structural inequality when women play against men. On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited? I don't think there is a biological advantage. If there was, it hasn't shown up in any statistically meaningful way. Riley Gaines started a trans panic because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman, if trans people were excluded from the NCAA she still would've placed fifth. I mentioned childhood nutritional deficiency in an earlier comment. Why don't Republicans support universal free school and summer meals for children so that doesn't cause unfairness in sports? Well, because it turns out, none of you actually give the tiniest of shits about that, this issue has always just been about ostracizing trans people wherever and whenever possible. On July 01 2026 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery. If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing. Not only is your argument completely unsupported by any scientific evidence whatsoever, we both know you'd never do that because you're not brave enough to undergo the discrimination and hatred that trans people do. You can resume bragging about voting for people who sexually abuse women now that you're done pretending to care about fairness in women's sports. Are you seriously arguing there isn’t a general biological advantage? Well first of all, there can't be a biological sex advantage until "biological male" and "biological female" are properly defined. Caster Semenya is a cisgender woman (female genitalia, assigned "female" at birth) who naturally produces more testosterone than most women do. 2019 World Athletics rule changes resulted in her being banned for not being female enough. FOX News falsely reported on her as being trans, which she isn't. Most rules designed to exclude trans women from sports end up excluding more cis women because the definition is arbitrary and usually stupid.
Why even have women’s sports then?
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On July 01 2026 02:05 oBlade wrote:
You said women's leagues exist "not simply because men have a biological advantage."
Please, spare us from this incredibly dumb pedantry. "We know the Earth is round because we have circumnavigated it (among other reasons), not simply because the Lizardpeople told us so" does not mean I believe in Lizardpeople, but it could mean the person I'm talking to does.
Also it's pretty regressive that you think children should only get free food at school, right? I guess after school and on the weekend they can just go hungry.
Which you voted for
I'm actually against hungry children everywhere at all times.
Solid endorsement for the Democratic Party.
On July 01 2026 02:10 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 01:55 LightSpectra wrote:On July 01 2026 01:50 WombaT wrote:On July 01 2026 01:44 LightSpectra wrote:On July 01 2026 01:32 oBlade wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage. Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues. Women-only leagues exist because women are discriminated against. If discrimination against women ceased to exist, then there wouldn't be a structural inequality when women play against men. On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited? I don't think there is a biological advantage. If there was, it hasn't shown up in any statistically meaningful way. Riley Gaines started a trans panic because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman, if trans people were excluded from the NCAA she still would've placed fifth. I mentioned childhood nutritional deficiency in an earlier comment. Why don't Republicans support universal free school and summer meals for children so that doesn't cause unfairness in sports? Well, because it turns out, none of you actually give the tiniest of shits about that, this issue has always just been about ostracizing trans people wherever and whenever possible. On July 01 2026 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery. If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing. Not only is your argument completely unsupported by any scientific evidence whatsoever, we both know you'd never do that because you're not brave enough to undergo the discrimination and hatred that trans people do. You can resume bragging about voting for people who sexually abuse women now that you're done pretending to care about fairness in women's sports. Are you seriously arguing there isn’t a general biological advantage? Well first of all, there can't be a biological sex advantage until "biological male" and "biological female" are properly defined. Caster Semenya is a cisgender woman (female genitalia, assigned "female" at birth) who naturally produces more testosterone than most women do. 2019 World Athletics rule changes resulted in her being banned for not being female enough. FOX News falsely reported on her as being trans, which she isn't. Most rules designed to exclude trans women from sports end up excluding more cis women because the definition is arbitrary and usually stupid. Why even have women’s sports then?
Because women are discriminated against by society. In a distant future where sexism has been totally abolished, there's no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Consider women's Chess leagues. They don't exist because men are inherently smarter or better at Chess, but because a lot of the facilities and institutions that exist to train people to get better at Chess are male-dominated. Believe it or not, there's also been a push to exclude trans women from women's Chess leagues.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On July 01 2026 02:12 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 02:05 oBlade wrote:
You said women's leagues exist "not simply because men have a biological advantage." Please, spare us from this incredibly dumb pedantry. "We know the Earth is round because we have circumnavigated it (among other reasons), not simply because the Lizardpeople told us so" does not mean I believe in Lizardpeople, but it could mean the person I'm talking to does. Show nested quote +Also it's pretty regressive that you think children should only get free food at school, right? I guess after school and on the weekend they can just go hungry. Which you voted forSolid endorsement for the Democratic Party. Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 02:10 WombaT wrote:On July 01 2026 01:55 LightSpectra wrote:On July 01 2026 01:50 WombaT wrote:On July 01 2026 01:44 LightSpectra wrote:On July 01 2026 01:32 oBlade wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage. Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues. Women-only leagues exist because women are discriminated against. If discrimination against women ceased to exist, then there wouldn't be a structural inequality when women play against men. On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited? I don't think there is a biological advantage. If there was, it hasn't shown up in any statistically meaningful way. Riley Gaines started a trans panic because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman, if trans people were excluded from the NCAA she still would've placed fifth. I mentioned childhood nutritional deficiency in an earlier comment. Why don't Republicans support universal free school and summer meals for children so that doesn't cause unfairness in sports? Well, because it turns out, none of you actually give the tiniest of shits about that, this issue has always just been about ostracizing trans people wherever and whenever possible. On July 01 2026 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery. If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing. Not only is your argument completely unsupported by any scientific evidence whatsoever, we both know you'd never do that because you're not brave enough to undergo the discrimination and hatred that trans people do. You can resume bragging about voting for people who sexually abuse women now that you're done pretending to care about fairness in women's sports. Are you seriously arguing there isn’t a general biological advantage? Well first of all, there can't be a biological sex advantage until "biological male" and "biological female" are properly defined. Caster Semenya is a cisgender woman (female genitalia, assigned "female" at birth) who naturally produces more testosterone than most women do. 2019 World Athletics rule changes resulted in her being banned for not being female enough. FOX News falsely reported on her as being trans, which she isn't. Most rules designed to exclude trans women from sports end up excluding more cis women because the definition is arbitrary and usually stupid. Why even have women’s sports then? Because women are discriminated against by society. In a distant future where sexism has been totally abolished, there's no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed. Consider women's Chess leagues. They don't exist because men are inherently smarter or better at Chess, but because a lot of the facilities and institutions that exist to train people to get better at Chess are male-dominated.
Chess isn’t athletics, don’t be daft
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That's exactly the point. Women's Chess leagues exist for the same reason physical sports leagues for women exist. Not because of some essential advantage from your biological sex but because of a structural inequality that exists in society.
I don't see what's so hard to imagine about a Star Trek-esque future where all physical sport leagues are only classified by weight class or other non-sex-based things.
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On July 01 2026 02:12 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 02:05 oBlade wrote:
You said women's leagues exist "not simply because men have a biological advantage." Please, spare us from this incredibly dumb pedantry. "We know the Earth is round because we have circumnavigated it (among other reasons), not simply because the Lizardpeople told us so" does not mean I believe in Lizardpeople, but it could mean the person I'm talking to does. Show nested quote +Also it's pretty regressive that you think children should only get free food at school, right? I guess after school and on the weekend they can just go hungry. Which you voted forSolid endorsement for the Democratic Party. Show nested quote +On July 01 2026 02:10 WombaT wrote:On July 01 2026 01:55 LightSpectra wrote:On July 01 2026 01:50 WombaT wrote:On July 01 2026 01:44 LightSpectra wrote:On July 01 2026 01:32 oBlade wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage. Says here a structural inequality towards women would be forcing them to do wrestling and track and field and basketball against men, if at all, rather than in their own leagues. Women-only leagues exist because women are discriminated against. If discrimination against women ceased to exist, then there wouldn't be a structural inequality when women play against men. On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
What about the biological advantage you just cited? I don't think there is a biological advantage. If there was, it hasn't shown up in any statistically meaningful way. Riley Gaines started a trans panic because she tied for fifth place with a trans woman, if trans people were excluded from the NCAA she still would've placed fifth. I mentioned childhood nutritional deficiency in an earlier comment. Why don't Republicans support universal free school and summer meals for children so that doesn't cause unfairness in sports? Well, because it turns out, none of you actually give the tiniest of shits about that, this issue has always just been about ostracizing trans people wherever and whenever possible. On July 01 2026 01:38 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 01 2026 01:24 LightSpectra wrote:
Women's leagues exist because there is a structural inequality towards women on a society-wide level, not simply because men have a biological advantage.
In a distant future where all sexism has been abolished on every level, there is no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed.
Several male high schoolers declared themselves female and entered girls sport sans hormone therapy or surgery. If I did the same thing I'd be the best female baseball pitcher who ever lived... Until some other guy comes along and does the same thing. Not only is your argument completely unsupported by any scientific evidence whatsoever, we both know you'd never do that because you're not brave enough to undergo the discrimination and hatred that trans people do. You can resume bragging about voting for people who sexually abuse women now that you're done pretending to care about fairness in women's sports. Are you seriously arguing there isn’t a general biological advantage? Well first of all, there can't be a biological sex advantage until "biological male" and "biological female" are properly defined. Caster Semenya is a cisgender woman (female genitalia, assigned "female" at birth) who naturally produces more testosterone than most women do. 2019 World Athletics rule changes resulted in her being banned for not being female enough. FOX News falsely reported on her as being trans, which she isn't. Most rules designed to exclude trans women from sports end up excluding more cis women because the definition is arbitrary and usually stupid. Why even have women’s sports then? Because women are discriminated against by society. In a distant future where sexism has been totally abolished, there's no reason all sports couldn't be co-ed. Consider women's Chess leagues. They don't exist because men are inherently smarter or better at Chess, but because a lot of the facilities and institutions that exist to train people to get better at Chess are male-dominated.
The women's world record for 100m is 10.49s. That would be about the world #6000th or so fastest man.
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