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dyhb
Profile Joined August 2021
United States814 Posts
June 27 2026 21:48 GMT
#116281
On June 27 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
"Centrist" Democrats want people to sign their "Promise to America"

Show nested quote +
A group of Democrats have rebuked the party’s most progressive wing, signing onto a new centrist initiative called “Promise to America” which vows to “reject” socialism and back strong borders, capitalism, and patriotism.

The victories of the Mamdani-backed congressional candidates in their New York primaries this week has highlighted the ongoing tension within the Democratic Party over its identity and future as it prepares for the November midterms.

The party has always contained different wings pulling it towards different directions. But the success of Mamdani’s own mayoral campaign, and the resounding victories of progressive candidates Brad Lander, Claire Valdez, and Micah Lasher in Tuesday’s New York primaries, are sending home the message that Democratic voters are willing to embrace bolder, more vocal left-wing representatives and move the party leftward.

“Our movement is growing because working people are fed up with the high cost of rent and groceries and medical bills. They know we deserve good union jobs, affordable rent, dignified lives. They’re ready to try something else—socialism,” the Democratic Socialist of America wrote on social media this week.

The Democratic Socialist of America have already hit back at the group, writing on X that the fifteen Democrats who have signed onto the new centrist initiative have cumulatively “raked in a whopping $10,088,996 from the Israel lobby. Nothing moderate about that.”

Israel—and the country’s attacks on Gaza—have proven one of the most divisive issues within the Democratic Party and an increasingly sensitive issue for candidates.

“Should we tally up their Big Tech donations next?,” the group added on social media, threatening to expose more connection between Promise to America and donors which can prove controversial for Democratic voters.


www.newsweek.com

Anyone want to sign on?
Moderate dems and establishment dems got shellacked in the NY primaries, so they're trying to get a news cycle back.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17971 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-06-28 02:04:43
June 28 2026 01:29 GMT
#116282
Factory jobs are disappearing fast and high materials costs are a big factor.
https://www.birchgold.com/blog/news/factory-layoffs/
50% tariffs on metals are a big factor in sky high costs for copper, aluminum and steel.
https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/national-international/trump-tariffs-hurting-american-manufacturing/3998091/

I thought sky high tariffs meant we'd have 10 million new $75/hour automotive factory jobs
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1201 Posts
June 28 2026 06:50 GMT
#116283
The pandemic and reaganomics are the perfect storm to end all positive sides of capitalism.

Scarcity makes prices go up, pair that with monopoly and deregulation and boom you have HUUUUUGE companies that just make less, need less people, no longer innovate and YET can just triple their prices every 5 years.
Entering markets is very risky, because current monopoly holders have much slack in their prices that they will just CRUSH you, or the bureaucratic or technologic moat is too deep and wide for new competitors to make it.

Old competitors kind of gentlemanly just to keep exchanging marketshares and exist in parallel.

Strong regulatory oversight would be needed, to CRUSH the monopoly or force Companies to be competetive again.. not JUST GREEDY.




"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22668 Posts
June 28 2026 06:57 GMT
#116284
And if someone succesfully enters the market these large corporations have the capital to just buy up the new competition.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8210 Posts
June 28 2026 11:11 GMT
#116285
Ah, Trump is back making genocidal threats to Iran.

Luckily he already won the war fifty times.

Tremendous.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17971 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-06-28 13:40:02
June 28 2026 13:32 GMT
#116286
On June 28 2026 15:50 KT_Elwood wrote:
The pandemic and reaganomics are the perfect storm to end all positive sides of capitalism.

Trump is not using reaganomics though.

Firstly, Trump's extensive use of tariffs is a major departure from Reagan's approach. Secondly, He has generally been more willing than Reagan to use government policy to shape where production occurs and how companies invest.

Its kinda like saying Reagan's "Let's Make America Great Again" is the same as Trump's thing. They are not close. Reagan's movement was persuasive and diplomatic. Reagan's "Let's Make America Great Again" grew out of Carter's "Crisis Of Confidence" speech from 1979. Reagan used his opponent's own views and turned them over onto him. His opponent was on shakey very ground from the start.

Trump vaguely imitated an extremely popular and successful President from 30+ years ago.

I have to give Trump credit though. People think they're the same thing and weirdly anticipate America will experience the same results.

Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44394 Posts
June 28 2026 13:39 GMT
#116287
Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6614 Posts
June 28 2026 13:44 GMT
#116288
On June 28 2026 06:48 dyhb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 27 2026 23:15 GreenHorizons wrote:
"Centrist" Democrats want people to sign their "Promise to America"

A group of Democrats have rebuked the party’s most progressive wing, signing onto a new centrist initiative called “Promise to America” which vows to “reject” socialism and back strong borders, capitalism, and patriotism.

The victories of the Mamdani-backed congressional candidates in their New York primaries this week has highlighted the ongoing tension within the Democratic Party over its identity and future as it prepares for the November midterms.

The party has always contained different wings pulling it towards different directions. But the success of Mamdani’s own mayoral campaign, and the resounding victories of progressive candidates Brad Lander, Claire Valdez, and Micah Lasher in Tuesday’s New York primaries, are sending home the message that Democratic voters are willing to embrace bolder, more vocal left-wing representatives and move the party leftward.

“Our movement is growing because working people are fed up with the high cost of rent and groceries and medical bills. They know we deserve good union jobs, affordable rent, dignified lives. They’re ready to try something else—socialism,” the Democratic Socialist of America wrote on social media this week.

The Democratic Socialist of America have already hit back at the group, writing on X that the fifteen Democrats who have signed onto the new centrist initiative have cumulatively “raked in a whopping $10,088,996 from the Israel lobby. Nothing moderate about that.”

Israel—and the country’s attacks on Gaza—have proven one of the most divisive issues within the Democratic Party and an increasingly sensitive issue for candidates.

“Should we tally up their Big Tech donations next?,” the group added on social media, threatening to expose more connection between Promise to America and donors which can prove controversial for Democratic voters.


www.newsweek.com

Anyone want to sign on?
Moderate dems and establishment dems got shellacked in the NY primaries, so they're trying to get a news cycle back.

They realized "workers" is not a winning proposition and that it was necessary to specify "American workers."
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17971 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-06-28 13:51:27
June 28 2026 13:45 GMT
#116289
my best from from 2009 to 2013 lives in Tehran. He is still alive. <<sigh>>
On June 28 2026 22:39 KwarK wrote:
Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan.

Cool, Trump is drawing from Reagan. some random no-name KKK members may have adopted part of the slogan after 1979. who knows.

However, Trump is drawing from Reagan... which is why the hats are identical. This is why Republicans are running around in t-shirts with Reagan wearing the hat from 1980. Generally speaking, It is Reagan they know and remember... not the KKK.

You will get far more people believing in you by imitating a guy who won 239847988 electoral votes in two elections.

Its a slick move by Trump.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44394 Posts
June 28 2026 14:14 GMT
#116290
On June 28 2026 22:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2026 22:39 KwarK wrote:
Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan.

Cool, Trump is drawing from Reagan. some random no-name KKK members may have adopted part of the slogan after 1979. who knows.

My bad, it was America first that was a 1920s KKK slogan. Interestingly Fred Trump was arrested along with a bunch of KKK members at an America First riot.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17971 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-06-28 14:24:30
June 28 2026 14:20 GMT
#116291
On June 28 2026 23:14 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2026 22:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 28 2026 22:39 KwarK wrote:
Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan.

Cool, Trump is drawing from Reagan. some random no-name KKK members may have adopted part of the slogan after 1979. who knows.

My bad, it was America first that was a 1920s KKK slogan. Interestingly Fred Trump was arrested along with a bunch of KKK members at an America First riot.

i have a red hat with "Creating Opportunity" written in white letters and some people assume its a Trump hat. Its hilarious.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44394 Posts
June 28 2026 14:45 GMT
#116292
On June 28 2026 23:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2026 23:14 KwarK wrote:
On June 28 2026 22:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 28 2026 22:39 KwarK wrote:
Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan.

Cool, Trump is drawing from Reagan. some random no-name KKK members may have adopted part of the slogan after 1979. who knows.

My bad, it was America first that was a 1920s KKK slogan. Interestingly Fred Trump was arrested along with a bunch of KKK members at an America First riot.

i have a red hat with "Creating Opportunity" written in white letters and some people assume its a Trump hat. It’s hilarious.

Epic prank. You’re tricking them into thinking you’re a moron with no grasp of politics or economics. If only they knew what we all know.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2594 Posts
June 28 2026 14:55 GMT
#116293
On June 28 2026 20:11 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Ah, Trump is back making genocidal threats to Iran.

Luckily he already won the war fifty times.

Tremendous.

Don’t stress to much, Iran is most likely just using this to get more concessions. The timing being after Lebanon and Israel agreed on a deal that was very bad for Hezbollah is not a fluke.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17971 Posts
Last Edited: 2026-06-28 15:16:40
June 28 2026 14:59 GMT
#116294
On June 28 2026 23:45 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2026 23:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 28 2026 23:14 KwarK wrote:
On June 28 2026 22:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 28 2026 22:39 KwarK wrote:
Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan.

Cool, Trump is drawing from Reagan. some random no-name KKK members may have adopted part of the slogan after 1979. who knows.

My bad, it was America first that was a 1920s KKK slogan. Interestingly Fred Trump was arrested along with a bunch of KKK members at an America First riot.

i have a red hat with "Creating Opportunity" written in white letters and some people assume its a Trump hat. It’s hilarious.

Epic prank. You’re tricking them into thinking you’re a moron with no grasp of politics or economics. If only they knew what we all know.

it is not a prank. my life is not centered around ronald reagan campaign hats or US politics. it is the Jean Chretien campaign hat. the greatest PM , Finance Minister, and Justice MInister in Canadian history.

in 2007, @ 20 years old i was making oodles of cash as a software maker thanks to the environment Chretien created. The least i can do is wear the damn hat.

the hat is a great conversation starter. it is fascinating that the french translation Chretien employed does not strictly related 1:1 back to the english phrase.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27464 Posts
June 28 2026 15:52 GMT
#116295
On June 28 2026 23:45 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2026 23:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 28 2026 23:14 KwarK wrote:
On June 28 2026 22:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 28 2026 22:39 KwarK wrote:
Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan.

Cool, Trump is drawing from Reagan. some random no-name KKK members may have adopted part of the slogan after 1979. who knows.

My bad, it was America first that was a 1920s KKK slogan. Interestingly Fred Trump was arrested along with a bunch of KKK members at an America First riot.

i have a red hat with "Creating Opportunity" written in white letters and some people assume its a Trump hat. It’s hilarious.

Epic prank. You’re tricking them into thinking you’re a moron with no grasp of politics or economics. If only they knew what we all know.

Who’d have thought wearing a hat in the same style as another hat with certain associations might have people making assumptions? Le epic troll
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46554 Posts
June 28 2026 16:02 GMT
#116296
On June 29 2026 00:52 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2026 23:45 KwarK wrote:
On June 28 2026 23:20 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 28 2026 23:14 KwarK wrote:
On June 28 2026 22:45 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On June 28 2026 22:39 KwarK wrote:
Make America Great Again is a Klan slogan.

Cool, Trump is drawing from Reagan. some random no-name KKK members may have adopted part of the slogan after 1979. who knows.

My bad, it was America first that was a 1920s KKK slogan. Interestingly Fred Trump was arrested along with a bunch of KKK members at an America First riot.

i have a red hat with "Creating Opportunity" written in white letters and some people assume its a Trump hat. It’s hilarious.

Epic prank. You’re tricking them into thinking you’re a moron with no grasp of politics or economics. If only they knew what we all know.

Who’d have thought wearing a hat in the same style as another hat with certain associations might have people making assumptions? Le epic troll

I think next, JJR should get a tattoo of the Buddhist swastika just to bait people into thinking it's the Nazi version.

"It's hilarious."
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
June 28 2026 19:43 GMT
#116297


quite the fall from grace. the VP spewing BS conspiracies and his attempt at rewriting history. in defense of the indefensible, past and present. dude can hardly contain himself with how giddy with pleasure he seems to be.

+ Show Spoiler +
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de adder bonus as it perfectly relates on another level!
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12048 Posts
June 28 2026 19:46 GMT
#116298
To be fair, he is correct. If Trump did Watergate today, it would only be in the News for 12 hours, and then there would be the next bigger Watergate.

Trump does Watergate-Level stuff every week. And it doesn't matter for some reason.
Billyboy
Profile Joined September 2024
2594 Posts
June 28 2026 19:56 GMT
#116299
His open corruption is way worse in my opinion. There is not a fair bone in his body, just imagine all the shit he is doing, has done or tried to do that we don’t even know about.

But as you say nothing will happen. There seems to be nothing he can do that “would be worse with Harris” doesn’t sweep under the rug.
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
June 28 2026 20:01 GMT
#116300
yeah as long as no one holds them accountable I guess this ultimately self defeating behaviour will not change.
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
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