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Canada11607 Posts
Speed up the process to also cut down on the spread of election conspiracies. It’s win-win.
Not happening. Until Trump and his sycophants stops spreading lies about voter fraud or are finally discredited in the eyes of their supporters, we will not see a cut in election conspiracies. We will only see an increase.
Now they are using the idea that because the federal government (heart of the conspiracy theories) cannot inspect state election, this is evidence of crooked elections. This is motivated reasoning to push conspiracy theories. Shoe on the other foot, they are arguing states rights to prevent a Democrat president from doing the same.
Trump always calls crooked/ rigged elections before the election has even happened. This sets the stage in advance for his supporters to view any anomalies (from their limited perspective) as confirmation of this conspiracy. (Trucks of ballots stuffing, boxes hidden under desks.) Rigging claims come first before any evidence comes in.
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On June 10 2026 04:41 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 03:28 Introvert wrote:I mean you can read what the DSA website says they tell volunteers to do. I first saw this page linked somewhere but I was able to get here just by googling the Los Angeles DSA. And it is ballot harvesting. https://dsa-la.org/elections/how-to-ballot-delivery/You csn see why these left-wing and union groups love this. You can basically fill out the ballot for voters. And regardless they should be faster, it's am embarrassment ans makes things look shady. Just because some Democrat somewhere is making an excuse for bad behavior or incompetence doesn’t mean we all have to think weeks for counting is ok. Do you think there is widespread voter fraud occurring in California elections?
Widespread? No. The things I described are legsl even if I think they are awful in multiple ways.
California's overall problems are the living embodiment of the dangers of "vote blue no matter who."
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On June 10 2026 04:21 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 04:18 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:50 Introvert wrote:On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. First, LA is overwhelmingly dem. There's no illusion Pratt was going to win. Second, you might want to look in the mirror. You could just stop at "yeah it's silly to take that long." Instead you and others are twisting yourselves into defending-it but-not-really because you don't like the people who are loudest about it. And i object to, as I called them, absurd rules written to ensure a particular outcome. Just because Democrats run California as a single party state and they are supposed to be the "good ones" doesn't mean everyone here has to deflect. I get accused of "but Democrats!" And here comes "but Republicans" for the millionth time. Edit: "But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible." Plenty of States have fine voting systems. The attempt to pass this off onto the rest of the country is misplaced How much overlap is there between your list of "States with fine voting systems" and "States where republicans win"? You don't seem to grasp the problem. I don't trust you. You jump onto anything that is against democrats, and that is the only reason you care about this right now. I would maybe trust you that you want an honest discussion about a voting system if you were criticizing the voting systems in republican states, but you don't. And you never will. Because you don't care about the voting system at all. You care about your side winning at all costs, and nothing else. You very one-sidedly select the topics you want to talk about. Criticize your own side for once, and people may eventually no longer assume that everything that you says is purely partisan. So far, my very simple introvert predictor is "Does this help republicans win or make democrats look bad?". If it does, you are for it. If it doesn't, you are against it. I don't think i recall you ever taking any position that does not fit that simple heuristic even once. Which makes it very hard to believe that you truly care about the california elections beyond that. I care because I'm a California resident right next door to LA and the people we elect in this state affects me directly. You yourself called it silly. Like I said, no reason to immediately backtrack when you *know* it's rediculous. Edit: pretty much every state is better than California.
If the mayor of your city is smart and the mayor of LA is a moron then it can benefit your city. Redmond and Bellevue benefit from the string of morons running Seattle.
Byron Brown's smart moves were a factor in my decision to set up shop in upstate New York.
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On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.)
You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm.
On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections.
You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning.
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United States44387 Posts
On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning.
He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go.
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On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go.
Like, seriously?
On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning.
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Northern Ireland27464 Posts
On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning.
Well I mean he’s not wrong is he?
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On June 10 2026 06:53 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +Speed up the process to also cut down on the spread of election conspiracies. It’s win-win. Not happening. Until Trump and his sycophants stops spreading lies about voter fraud or are finally discredited in the eyes of their supporters, we will not see a cut in election conspiracies. We will only see an increase. Now they are using the idea that because the federal government (heart of the conspiracy theories) cannot inspect state election, this is evidence of crooked elections. This is motivated reasoning to push conspiracy theories. Shoe on the other foot, they are arguing states rights to prevent a Democrat president from doing the same. Trump always calls crooked/ rigged elections before the election has even happened. This sets the stage in advance for his supporters to view any anomalies (from their limited perspective) as confirmation of this conspiracy. (Trucks of ballots stuffing, boxes hidden under desks.) Rigging claims come first before any evidence comes in. I already said that a percentage of these theories will continue to persist no matter what you do, and certainly Trump and his coterie are high on the blame.
Voters that still don't know the outcome of tight races one week after ... or two weeks after ... or three weeks after is pouring gasoline on that fire. They aren't responsible for the fire itself, so I'm not contesting your contribution. You're just ignoring the other affects for no good reason.
Thankfully, some Democrats are getting the message. For example, Ro Khanna, a somewhat prominent Democrat:
A close friend of mine is cancelling his voter registration today. He is convinced Spencer Pratt was robbed of the election. I explained to him that in California we count absentees first (which skew older and more conservative) and election day voters are younger and more Democratic. The slow count is largely because of policies to maximize participation, including postmarking a ballot on Election Day.
Regardless, we need to figure out in California how we can get the vote counted faster and results tabulated so it does not drag on. We should make the investments in operational improvements and resources in the wealthiest state in the nation. It is worth spending the resources to get the vast majority of the vote counted within 48 hours. Right now the system is eroding trust and spawning conspiracy theories. Social Media post - Ro Khanna CA-17
If I were famous, I'd say he read my post and cribbed it for his own purposes! But, no, it's the obvious pattern. "Eroding trust and spawning conspiracy theories" indeed. He can do the both-and: Don't deny Trump participation, but don't focus on it to the exclusion of obvious interactions!
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United States44387 Posts
On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning.
Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it.
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Canada11607 Posts
You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm.
And they magically picked up the MAGA rigged election talking points? You know what predated the close election? A wave of rigged election conspiracies just south of our border? We've always had individual ridings that have been extremely close that required recounts that take a long time. My own riding regularly is decided by like a hundred votes, sometimes by ten or so, which delays the confirmation of who won in our riding for a week or so. Never produced widespread conspiracy theories until now. The only difference was there were enough close elections results that which party won and whether it would be a minority or majority was in question.
I'm not sure if you realize just how anemic our political talking heads are. Like on the right, if you are a fuddy-duddy, I guess you have Andrew Coyne on CBC, or read the National Post? Really niche, JJ McCullough, I guess. If you are kinda unhinged, Rebel Media? But we exported our best to you guys (Gavin McGinnis and Lauren Southern) and Rebel Media lacked star power ever since. One of the reasons Pollievre was successful against Trudeau is he pretty much had the field to himself as far as producing content online.
You are way more likely to hear someone reference what Tucker Carlson has to say than Ezra Levant from Rebel Media. Whatever culture war stuff you guys are having, you are the core of the ecosystem-- we are on the periphery but it's the same ecosystem when it comes to online politics. It wasn't true before. Not a lot of Canadians were tuning into conservative AM radio to listen to the likes of Limbaugh and Hannity as far as I know. But I've heard Canadians talk about the Deep State in regards to our own government. Where does that talk come from? Not from an anomalous election that hadn't happened yet.
The rhetoric seeds the doubt. And confirmation bias latches on to anomalies as evidence. And anomalies will happen because life is messy. The disinformation pipe-line is the source that helps reframe reality.
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On June 10 2026 09:47 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it.
Except the variable is winning candidate and it is 2 part sentence not 3. You would be correct if he wrote something like this " They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to win and their guy won."
On June 10 2026 10:15 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. And they magically picked up the MAGA rigged election talking points?
How many rigged election talking points there is? If the election you mentioned didnt deviate from the norm there wouldnt be any rhetoric around it. (I mean beside like 0.1% which always find something to complain)
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United States44387 Posts
On June 10 2026 10:57 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 09:47 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it. Except the variable is winning candidate and it is 2 part sentence not 3. You would be correct if he wrote something like this " They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to win and their guy won."
There is no implication that it currently favours the other guy. You need to work on your reading comprehension.
Them: “you’d like it if it helped you”
You: “ahah, so you admit it helps you!”
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On June 10 2026 11:20 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 10:57 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:47 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it. Except the variable is winning candidate and it is 2 part sentence not 3. You would be correct if he wrote something like this " They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to win and their guy won." There is no implication that it currently favours the other guy. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Them: “you’d like it if it helped you” You: “ahah, so you admit it helps you!”
It actually implies that. They would love process if it lead to their guy winning, directly imply, that they hate the process, because it leads to other guy winning.
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United States44387 Posts
On June 10 2026 12:12 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 11:20 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 10:57 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:47 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it. Except the variable is winning candidate and it is 2 part sentence not 3. You would be correct if he wrote something like this " They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to win and their guy won." There is no implication that it currently favours the other guy. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Them: “you’d like it if it helped you” You: “ahah, so you admit it helps you!” It actually implies that. They would love process if it lead to their guy winning, directly imply, that they hate the process, because it leads to other guy winning.
You’re apparently going to die to the hill that the process is why Democrats win in California and not that they’re the overwhelming majority.
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In the mind of a conspiracy theorist, any and all event supports their conspiracy. Votes taking too long to count? Conspiracy! they're rigging the election, nobody counts that slow! Votes counted in a quick and orderly manner? Conspiracy! definite proof that they rigged the election, nobody counts them that quick!
It literally does not matter what you say or do. The problem is not you, it's them.
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On June 10 2026 13:00 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 12:12 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 11:20 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 10:57 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:47 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:
[quote]Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it. Except the variable is winning candidate and it is 2 part sentence not 3. You would be correct if he wrote something like this " They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to win and their guy won." There is no implication that it currently favours the other guy. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Them: “you’d like it if it helped you” You: “ahah, so you admit it helps you!” It actually implies that. They would love process if it lead to their guy winning, directly imply, that they hate the process, because it leads to other guy winning. You’re apparently going to die to the hill that the process is why Democrats win in California and not that they’re the overwhelming majority.
Thats not what we arguing here,
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On June 10 2026 17:25 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 13:00 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 12:12 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 11:20 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 10:57 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:47 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:
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No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking.
For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.)
We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election.
Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
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Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning.
As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process.
I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible.
Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose.
And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it. Except the variable is winning candidate and it is 2 part sentence not 3. You would be correct if he wrote something like this " They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to win and their guy won." There is no implication that it currently favours the other guy. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Them: “you’d like it if it helped you” You: “ahah, so you admit it helps you!” It actually implies that. They would love process if it lead to their guy winning, directly imply, that they hate the process, because it leads to other guy winning. You’re apparently going to die to the hill that the process is why Democrats win in California and not that they’re the overwhelming majority. Thats not what we arguing here,
The argument has been that dyhb and you and others have said that California's inefficient election process legitimizes conservatives' conspiratorial thinking, and the responses have been that such an assertion is 1. a non sequitur; 2. a distraction from real issues that actually affect people; 3. weird because there is always still a ton of downtime in between election results and the beginning of the next term for the winners (there's legally no rush); 4. pretty much a joke because even if California ran more smoothly than any other state, Republicans would still make up conspiracy theories about any election they lose being rigged.
If Introvert and the rest of you had started and stopped with something like "Why is it that California's elections are so inefficient compared to other states? Here's what I found. Is this ideal? Does it make sense to improve these things? How could they be fixed?" then it might be perceived as a good-faith topic. Instead, we see people spinning off into claiming the left is maliciously undermining elections in California and that people ought to be suspicious.
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On June 10 2026 18:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 17:25 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 13:00 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 12:12 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 11:20 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 10:57 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:47 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:
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You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm.
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You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it. Except the variable is winning candidate and it is 2 part sentence not 3. You would be correct if he wrote something like this " They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to win and their guy won." There is no implication that it currently favours the other guy. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Them: “you’d like it if it helped you” You: “ahah, so you admit it helps you!” It actually implies that. They would love process if it lead to their guy winning, directly imply, that they hate the process, because it leads to other guy winning. You’re apparently going to die to the hill that the process is why Democrats win in California and not that they’re the overwhelming majority. Thats not what we arguing here, The argument has been that dyhb and you and others have said that California's inefficient election process legitimizes conservatives' conspiratorial thinking, and the responses have been that such an assertion is 1. a non sequitur; 2. a distraction from real issues that actually affect people; 3. weird because there is always still a ton of downtime in between election results and the beginning of the next term for the winners (there's legally no rush); 4. pretty much a joke because even if California ran more smoothly than any other state, Republicans would still make up conspiracy theories about any election they lose being rigged. If Introvert and the rest of you had started and stopped with something like "Why is it that California's elections are so inefficient compared to other states? Here's what I found. Is this ideal? Does it make sense to improve these things? How could they be fixed?" then it might be perceived as a good-faith topic. Instead, we see people spinning off into claiming the left is maliciously undermining elections in California and that people ought to be suspicious.
No, argument with Kwark is purely linguistic.
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On June 10 2026 12:12 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 11:20 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 10:57 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:47 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it. Except the variable is winning candidate and it is 2 part sentence not 3. You would be correct if he wrote something like this " They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to win and their guy won." There is no implication that it currently favours the other guy. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Them: “you’d like it if it helped you” You: “ahah, so you admit it helps you!” It actually implies that. They would love process if it lead to their guy winning, directly imply, that they hate the process, because it leads to other guy winning.
Most literate conservative
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On June 10 2026 21:37 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2026 12:12 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 11:20 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 10:57 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:47 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 09:27 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 09:05 KwarK wrote:On June 10 2026 08:45 Razyda wrote:On June 10 2026 04:59 Falling wrote:On June 10 2026 03:59 dyhb wrote:
[quote]Have you thought about whether the anger over why it takes weeks to find out tight election results advances conspiratorial thinking? Why is it taking so long, why can't we be like every other state (including big states) and countries? Oh, this guy knows the REAL reason why... No. Just because people don't understand the normal process doesn't validate conspiratorial thinking. For instance, in BC we normally have fairly quick election results. However, most people (including myself) did not realize that there is a bunch of counting of mail in ballots, etc that happens well after election date. It's just normally you do not hear about it because BC elections are usually pretty decisive and there are only a handful of close races that trigger recounts and where waiting to count the mail in and absentee votes would matter. (Upon researching the actual timeline and process for all elections, I was satisfied that the process was working as intended. We just happened to have a uniquely close election where some of the under the hood processes were revealed.) We happened to have a very close election where the balance of power mattered on a number of closely contested ridings. And it was a drawn out process. I've never seen so much conspiratorial thinking about our elections. Nothing has changed about our process. The outcome was rather unique but what I was seeing was the rigged rhetoric from the States spread like a virus into right wing voter base within BC. Colleagues of mine were suddenly declaring that the election results were being manipulated. I've never seen anything like it in BC until this last election. Speed up the process by all means. But it doesn't stop conspiratorial thinking when people are fed a steady diet of conspiracy theories by the online MAGA media apparatus and the most powerful man in the world. How fast were the last three presidential declared? Yet the conspiracies are pushed ever more stridently despite the facts on the ground (Trump's judge nominations are pretty much all incapable of declaring who won the 2020 election. It is THE loyalty purity test to be a part of Trump's administration.) You proving dhyb point here. It was not some rigged rhetoric spreading like a virus. It was because this particular election deviated from norm. On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:On June 10 2026 03:21 Falling wrote:
A reasonable ask would be, hey California could you speed up your process, we need results in a more timely manner.
That is not what is happening.
2016 Election is RIGGED rigged! (wins anyways)
2020 Election is rigged. RIGGED! (loses but try to rig the election in his favour by leaning on States to find votes for him)
2024 Election is rigggggged RIGGED RIGGED! rigggggged! (wins anyways)
California election RIGGGGGGGGGGGED!
Rigged! RIGGGED! From the President of the United States of America and his cronies and his followers. Is NOT the same thing 'California should be faster'
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Exactly this. It just feels completely dishonest. It is immediately obvious that none of the people complaining about the process in California care in the slightest about that process. They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. This is all the typical dishonest rightwing smoke and mirror bullshit. I will pay attention and maybe even believe them once they start to criticize an election in which their team is winning. As i think my post about German elections makes clear, i think it is a bit silly for the counting of votes to take this long. But clearly that is not why our rightwing people talk about it right now. They just dislike that their guy is losing, and thus they attack the election process. Because any process that does not lead to their guy winning must be a bad process. I'd honestly think that the US could use a non-partisan rework of how their elections are handled. But that is unlikely to happen because no one in the US really cares about getting a good system that makes voting easy and where the results represent the will of the population as much as possible, while working as effectively as possible. Everyone just wants their guy to win. Especially the right, whose whole modus operandi is to game the system in as absurd a way as possible to win, but democrats would also always prefer a bad system where they win to a good system where they lose. And that just does not sound like a good ground to have an honest debate about how to best structure elections. You literally just said that it is the process which leads to Democrats winning. He didn’t say that at all. Your reading comprehension is not great. Give it another go. Like, seriously? On June 10 2026 03:39 Simberto wrote:
They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to their guy winning. Yes, in a hypothetical worlds in which the process favoured a party and in the subset of worlds in which that process favoured Republicans they would be fine with it. Except the variable is winning candidate and it is 2 part sentence not 3. You would be correct if he wrote something like this " They would completely love that exact same process if it lead to win and their guy won." There is no implication that it currently favours the other guy. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Them: “you’d like it if it helped you” You: “ahah, so you admit it helps you!” It actually implies that. They would love process if it lead to their guy winning, directly imply, that they hate the process, because it leads to other guy winning. Most literate conservative
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