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Donald Trump went to last night's NBA Finals, Game 3: Knicks vs. Spurs.
Unsurprisingly, he was booed at NYC's Madison Square Garden.
I hear Trump is rooting for the Spurs, since they saved him from going to Vietnam.
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On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design.
Why would California design their elections to be this way?
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Northern Ireland27271 Posts
On June 09 2026 19:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Donald Trump went to last night's NBA Finals, Game 3: Knicks vs. Spurs.
Unsurprisingly, he was booed at NYC's Madison Square Garden.
I hear Trump is rooting for the Spurs, since they saved him from going to Vietnam.
Surely he’d cheer against them, I mean he was just itching to do his patriotic duty and those pesky spurs got in the way right?
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On June 09 2026 20:41 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 19:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Donald Trump went to last night's NBA Finals, Game 3: Knicks vs. Spurs.
Unsurprisingly, he was booed at NYC's Madison Square Garden.
I hear Trump is rooting for the Spurs, since they saved him from going to Vietnam. Surely he’d cheer against them, I mean he was just itching to do his patriotic duty and those pesky spurs got in the way right?
That's totally right!
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On June 09 2026 19:49 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design. Why would California design their elections to be this way?
Why would the US in general design their elections to be this way ?
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On June 09 2026 21:46 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 19:49 oBlade wrote:On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design. Why would California design their elections to be this way? Why would the US in general design their elections to be this way ?
States run elections, California's absurd system is entirely the fault of California and the excuses they make are pathetic.
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On June 09 2026 22:14 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 21:46 Godwrath wrote:On June 09 2026 19:49 oBlade wrote:On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design. Why would California design their elections to be this way? Why would the US in general design their elections to be this way ? States run elections, California's absurd system is entirely the fault of California and the excuses they make are pathetic.
Are the elections in California at least generally safe and secure? (Obviously, efficiency is important too, but its secondary to accuracy.)
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On June 09 2026 16:08 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 13:25 oBlade wrote:On June 09 2026 12:14 LightSpectra wrote:On June 09 2026 10:21 Razyda wrote:On June 09 2026 05:45 LightSpectra wrote:On June 09 2026 02:17 farvacola wrote:On June 08 2026 22:07 LightSpectra wrote:
Conservatives are having their usual meltdown on social media because the demsoc candidate Nithya Raman passed the MAGAt candidate Spencer Pratt in the first round of the Los Angeles mayoral election count (incumbent Karen Bass is still in first place).
We should ban reporting preliminary results in election counts so people stop shitting their pants when the results change as the ballots are counted. The best part is that neither of them are close to Bass, so it’ll almost certainly be a moot point anyways. I could see Raman gaining enough to win the runoff. But if Pratt moved to the second round we'd have to hear another thousand hours of discourse from bad faith actors telling people that centrist Dems are just as bad as MAGA Republicans and to not bother voting. Dont take me wrong, I dont even think California primary are relevant, as even if top 2 would be Democrat and Republican the consolidation of Democrat votes would ensure Democrat win. That being said if you take weeks to count votes what you expect? Is there even any country/state which take longer to count votes than California? I dunno, how long did Florida count for in Nov, 2000? It's not 2000. Florida had its first results counted in one day. Then it completed an automatic recount (statutorily triggered by close margin) in 3 days. Then weeks of Gore asking people to recount this but not this, count this in a certain way, stop counting this, in the hopes of maybe finding a way of counting that would lead to Gore winning, were put a stop to about a month later. Notice that since 2000, Florida has had seamless elections. Which is why you said "uh what about 2000 Florida" instead of "what about 2026 Florida." Meaning the lesson is: 2000 Florida is not a standard anyone should hold themselves to. Because even Florida holds themselves to a higher standard which is why they reformed. Meanwhile California isn't even done with their initial count. Because ballots are still coming in (LOL) within the deadline of June 9th for an election day of June... 2nd. And this is an off-season primary. Personally, I'd say the ballots need to be received before the 2nd and if you mail it in, it's your responsibility to do so in time for it to be received and counted.
Yeah I think this is most reasonable approach, with which majority of people would agree.
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On June 09 2026 22:14 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 21:46 Godwrath wrote:On June 09 2026 19:49 oBlade wrote:On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design. Why would California design their elections to be this way? Why would the US in general design their elections to be this way ? States run elections, California's absurd system is entirely the fault of California and the excuses they make are pathetic.
They don't know how to blame Republicans for it so they can only dissemble.
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On June 09 2026 22:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 22:14 Introvert wrote:On June 09 2026 21:46 Godwrath wrote:On June 09 2026 19:49 oBlade wrote:On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design. Why would California design their elections to be this way? Why would the US in general design their elections to be this way ? States run elections, California's absurd system is entirely the fault of California and the excuses they make are pathetic. Are the elections in California at least generally safe and secure? (Obviously, efficiency is important too, but its secondary to accuracy.)
As far as anyone can tell the elections are not "fraudulent" but the rules are rediculous written in a way that allows suspicion. But the goal is to allow maximum union influence as those are organizations best suited to take advantage of things like ballot harvesting (no CoC required so far as I know btw) or ballot "curing." The slow initial count is just incompetence but it *looks* awfully fishy when the vote barely moves for week letting everyone know exactly what the needed margins are, for example. Whether you can call this system, along with mailing everyone a ballot with no identity checks besides a signature "secure" is up to you. But it’s a system with intentionally absurd rules administered badly.
It is basically the most California thing you can imagine.
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On June 09 2026 22:54 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 22:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 09 2026 22:14 Introvert wrote:On June 09 2026 21:46 Godwrath wrote:On June 09 2026 19:49 oBlade wrote:On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design. Why would California design their elections to be this way? Why would the US in general design their elections to be this way ? States run elections, California's absurd system is entirely the fault of California and the excuses they make are pathetic. Are the elections in California at least generally safe and secure? (Obviously, efficiency is important too, but its secondary to accuracy.) As far as anyone can tell the elections are not "fraudulent" but the rules are rediculous written in a way that allows suspicion. But the goal is to allow maximum union influence as those are organizations best suited to take advantage of things like ballot harvesting (no CoC required so far as I know btw) or ballot "curing." The slow initial count is just incompetence but it *looks* awfully fishy when the vote barely moves for week letting everyone know exactly what the needed margins are, for example. Whether you can call this system, along with mailing everyone a ballot with no identity checks besides a signature "secure" is up to you. But it’s a system with intentionally absurd rules administered badly.
Okay thanks, I appreciate the explanation.
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From what I could gather elsewehre.
The Californian system isn't especially complicated, convoluted or anything of the sort BUT it allows itself a ridiculous amount of time to count the votes, time it also likes to use.
The main issue is that for some bizarre reason it constantly posts the ongoing result before having even a halfway decent amount of the total votes counted, it's also counting the (heavily republican skewed) in person ballots first while (heavily democrat leaning) mail-in votes still trickel in consantly.
It's not disfunctional or anything, it's just bizarre. Probably best to just wait a week and then look at results.
But in the end, for this specific election, the main issue is just the usual Maga delusions.
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On June 09 2026 10:38 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 10:33 Billyboy wrote:On June 09 2026 10:21 Razyda wrote:On June 09 2026 05:45 LightSpectra wrote:On June 09 2026 02:17 farvacola wrote:On June 08 2026 22:07 LightSpectra wrote:
Conservatives are having their usual meltdown on social media because the demsoc candidate Nithya Raman passed the MAGAt candidate Spencer Pratt in the first round of the Los Angeles mayoral election count (incumbent Karen Bass is still in first place).
We should ban reporting preliminary results in election counts so people stop shitting their pants when the results change as the ballots are counted. The best part is that neither of them are close to Bass, so it’ll almost certainly be a moot point anyways. I could see Raman gaining enough to win the runoff. But if Pratt moved to the second round we'd have to hear another thousand hours of discourse from bad faith actors telling people that centrist Dems are just as bad as MAGA Republicans and to not bother voting. Dont take me wrong, I dont even think California primary are relevant, as even if top 2 would be Democrat and Republican the consolidation of Democrat votes would ensure Democrat win. That being said if you take weeks to count votes what you expect? Is there even any country/state which take longer to count votes than California? People to understand the process or when then hear what the process is going to be, oh I guess that’s normal. You make no sense. Edit: Kinda on brand.
Big ole yikes if you can’t understand that. But it does make sense on why you come up with your hot takes.
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On June 09 2026 22:42 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 22:14 Introvert wrote:On June 09 2026 21:46 Godwrath wrote:On June 09 2026 19:49 oBlade wrote:On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design. Why would California design their elections to be this way? Why would the US in general design their elections to be this way ? States run elections, California's absurd system is entirely the fault of California and the excuses they make are pathetic. They don't know how to blame Republicans for it so they can only dissemble.
Please stop the mocking and gawking, it only serves to muddy up the thread. Much appreciated.
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Does anyone actually give a fuck how long it takes a state to count votes as long as there's ample time between it finishing and the certification for lawsuits or whatever? The only dumb thing about it are the right-wing assholes who shit their pants when latter-counted ballots weigh more towards a different candidate.
The child rapist supporters in this thread are awfully giddy to make taking a week to count ballots sound like the most pressing issue on the planet.
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On June 09 2026 22:42 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 22:14 Introvert wrote:On June 09 2026 21:46 Godwrath wrote:On June 09 2026 19:49 oBlade wrote:On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design. Why would California design their elections to be this way? Why would the US in general design their elections to be this way ? States run elections, California's absurd system is entirely the fault of California and the excuses they make are pathetic. They don't know how to blame Republicans for it so they can only dissemble.
If California counted their ballots faster, would that achieve socialism?
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Northern Ireland27271 Posts
On June 10 2026 00:23 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2026 22:42 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 09 2026 22:14 Introvert wrote:On June 09 2026 21:46 Godwrath wrote:On June 09 2026 19:49 oBlade wrote:On June 09 2026 17:53 Gorsameth wrote:On June 09 2026 17:29 Simberto wrote:
Exactly. My point was absolutely not that Germany is exceptionally amazing at doing elections. It is that a lot of countries manage to do this regularly and competently, and have been doing this for decades. The US has had elections for centuries, and still somehow cannot manage it without there being an embarrassing amount of weird complications all the time. By design. Why would California design their elections to be this way? Why would the US in general design their elections to be this way ? States run elections, California's absurd system is entirely the fault of California and the excuses they make are pathetic. They don't know how to blame Republicans for it so they can only dissemble. If California counted their ballots faster, would that achieve socialism?
Stop mawking and gawking plox
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Random government employees well below GS15 with zero ability to execute policy are being issued employment at-will letters. So after Trump signed the executive order and his colleagues figured out they could only do this to 8000 employees who have resources to fight back.... They decided to go much lower and cast a far wider net. I've said this before: the very good government employees will begin requesting private sector level pay. If they do not get it they will get paid what they are worth under at-will conditions elsewhere. Trump is breaking the unwritten deal.
On June 10 2026 00:18 LightSpectra wrote:
The child rapist supporters in this thread are awfully giddy to make taking a week to count ballots sound like the most pressing issue on the planet.
Leaning into this is silly. Canadians elected as PM Pierre Trudeau 4 times and the 1 time he lost he won the popular vote by more than 4%.
You are better off citing legit criticism of what an elected leader is doing running the country rather than spouting off crazy speculation.
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On June 09 2026 23:19 Velr wrote:
From what I could gather elsewehre.
The Californian system isn't especially complicated, convoluted or anything of the sort BUT it allows itself a ridiculous amount of time to count the votes, time it also likes to use.
The main issue is that for some bizarre reason it constantly posts the ongoing result before having even a halfway decent amount of the total votes counted, it's also counting the (heavily republican skewed) in person ballots first while (heavily democrat leaning) mail-in votes still trickel in consantly.
It's not disfunctional or anything, it's just bizarre. Probably best to just wait a week and then look at results.
But in the end, for this specific election, the main issue is just the usual Maga delusions.
Every other states and like every other country doesn't take this long. People need to stop making excuses for it. Nevermind the other stuff I mentioned.
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More importantly people need to stop inventing a conspiracy over a process that works but slowly.
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