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Billyboy
2517 Posts
On June 02 2026 00:09 Razyda wrote: Arent you surprised, hearing it from orange man himself?  . Seems like he was right again.(Sorry couldn't help myself). Which time was he right? When it was obliterated or now when it has not been touched? Keep in mind, like minded people to you in the US love and trust this guy. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1780 Posts
On June 01 2026 23:40 Billyboy wrote: How do MAGAs and other Republicans deal with the constant double talk and straight up fabrications when it comes to Iran. Trump has said repeatedly that he destroyed Irans military (and heard it parroted here), but now he says “their military, we’ve sort of left it alone, because we think that their military is somewhat, somewhat moderate… we’ve actually left their military alone. People would be surprised to hear that.” This is on top of the constant changing of goals. I find it very frustrating to hear a deal is done for the 13th time only to have bombs dropping the next day. But MAGA and Republicans must have whip lash from trusting each proclamation, only to have to pivot to a new reality sometimes as soon as minutes later. I find it sad that my brain has (d)evolved to speak Trump. I'm pretty sure that he, very recently, found out that IRGC and Artesh are two distinct things, connected in many ways, but still pretty distinct organizations. If you'll recall, we had a poster who came in here in the first days of conflict trying to disseminate missinformation about Artesh mounting a coup, taking over the country and taking on IRGC, which turned out to be bullshit, interestingly, this poster was never seen again after being called out for their lack of sources. So, since this bit of information was highlighted in the brightest crayon color on his last briefing, along with the keyword "moderate", he is now projecting harder then IMAX by saying "people would be surprised". What it means, most likely, in terms that matter to people aware of this the whole way through, is that it seems like there has been some developments between IRGC and the secular goverment, as it was recently reported that Iranian president recently offered his resignation, citing "complete takeover from the IRGC commanders". This is a consequence long predicted by anyone who pays attention and has a brain, US/Israel strikes has pushed the biggest radicals and extremists to the top and they are taking over. Now that he's been briefed on this development, he's trying to lie an internal fight between Artesh and IRGC into existence, while also trying to make the obvious lies this administration has been telling about destroying Iran's capabilities (70% seem to be intact according to US intelligence) by pretending they didn't target those capabilities because Artesh is moderate. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46514 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:10 Billyboy wrote: Which time was he right? When it was obliterated or now when it has not been touched? Keep in mind, like minded people to you in the US love and trust this guy. If Trump makes multiple contradictory statements, and one of them ends up being even partially true, then it's totally fine to ignore everything else and state "Seems like he was right again" /s Tautologically, either Iran's military has been affected or it hasn't. Genius move, to declare both simultaneously! | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:17 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You mock it, but it worked to get reelected. Which iirc is more important than saying the right/true thing. If Trump makes multiple contradictory statements, and one of them ends up being even partially true, then it's totally fine to ignore everything else and state "Seems like he was right again" /s + Show Spoiler + Tautologically, either Iran's military has been affected or it hasn't. Genius move, to declare both simultaneously! | ||
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Billyboy
2517 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:19 GreenHorizons wrote: You mock it, but it worked to get reelected. Which iirc is more important than saying the right/true thing. Everyone here not in the cult is painfully aware of this. The mocking is out of frustration of those that believe the liar and the equally bad people who think there is no difference between the options. | ||
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oBlade
United States6580 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:09 Billyboy wrote: I’m not the Trump whisperer. Why don’t you say what you believe he means and whether it’s good or not. Plant your flag. Then in a hour, day or week when it’s something else, you can explain how what you thought was wrong and how this is so much better. I'm not the type of person sitting around bragging that I can't understand someone who I think is the stupidest president in history but since you asked I'll help you out. "Moderate" means not nuclear-ambitious apocalyptic religious fundamentalists. "Sort of" means: 1) blew up entire navy (this is a fact, this is reported and confirmed by everyone) 2) destroyed enough air defenses to have total air control (confirmed by US military, SECDEF, Caine, and by widespread operational use of dumb - this means unguided - bombs in later stage of campaign which you can only do if you're wrecking the other side 3) but did not wantonly kill entire military, land 200k troops and inflict annihilation - remember the Highway of Death from the first Gulf War? - partly because of not wanting to, and partly because of deliberately switching to a defensive posture in the last month in order to skirt the 60-day Congressional use of force deadline for the War Powers Act of untested constitutionality. Mentioning this means he's probably getting fed up with the fact that there isn't a central authority to negotiate with that both can agree to terms AND speak for everyone that needs to be spoken for to make the terms adhered to. Which means he's prodding "Hey military, you're not so crazy, what if you just civil warred these nuclear-ambitious lunatics who keep trolling negotiations by making Vance fly around the world for nothing, and then we could have a deal." Otherwise if the US and Iran had a "war" where the US didn't touch the other side's military, and you suddenly believed that just because you heard Blumpf flipflop, then you'd have quite the egg on your face because then what the fuck war have you been complaining about for 3 months? If you are having blood pressure spikes and losing sleep because Blumpf said the war was about to be over and then it wasn't multiple times then you should turn off the TV because there's functionally no difference to your life than it just not having been over and him never trying to Law of Attraction positive results from negotiations by flooding the airwaves. This is not something to stress about. At all. | ||
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Billyboy
2517 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:30 oBlade wrote: I'm not the type of person sitting around bragging that I can't understand someone who I think is the stupidest president in history but since you asked I'll help you out. "Moderate" means not nuclear-ambitious apocalyptic religious fundamentalists. "Sort of" means: 1) blew up entire navy (this is a fact, this is reported and confirmed by everyone) 2) destroyed enough air defenses to have total air control (confirmed by US military, SECDEF, Caine, and by widespread operational use of dumb - this means unguided - bombs in later stage of campaign which you can only do if you're wrecking the other side 3) but did not wantonly kill entire military, land 200k troops and inflict annihilation - remember the Highway of Death from the first Gulf War? - partly because of not wanting to, and partly because of deliberately switching to a defensive posture in the last month in order to skirt the 60-day Congressional use of force deadline for the War Powers Act of untested constitutionality. Mentioning this means he's probably getting fed up with the fact that there isn't a central authority to negotiate with that both can agree to terms AND speak for everyone that needs to be spoken for to make the terms adhered to. Which means he's prodding "Hey military, you're not so crazy, what if you just civil warred these nuclear-ambitious lunatics who keep trolling negotiations by making Vance fly around the world for nothing, and then we could have a deal." Otherwise if the US and Iran had a "war" where the US didn't touch the other side's military, and you suddenly believed that just because you heard Blumpf flipflop, then you'd have quite the egg on your face because then what the fuck war have you been complaining about for 3 months? If you are having blood pressure spikes and losing sleep because Blumpf said the war was about to be over and then it wasn't multiple times then you should turn off the TV because there's functionally no difference to your life than it just not having been over and him never trying to Law of Attraction positive results from negotiations by flooding the airwaves. This is not something to stress about. At all. I am not in the cult like you so I don’t believe anything he says. Obviously some of it is true, because he just says everything so that people like you can pick and choose. The comment was about how he swapped from obliterated to this. My blood pressure doesn’t change at all because I don’t listen to him, hence to question on how cultists and republicans feel. Your reading comprehension is awful, it’s sad how much time and effort you spend arguing against points that no one ever made. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46514 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:25 Billyboy wrote: Everyone here not in the cult is painfully aware of this. The mocking is out of frustration of those that believe the liar and the equally bad people who think there is no difference between the options. GH knows all this and is just trolling whenever he goes into his "mock and gawk" mode. GH is obsessed with mocking and gawking at others, while hypocritically criticizing others who do the same. In the past hour or so, he's added two new "mock and gawk" posts. He's just desperate for attention, and there doesn't seem to be much reason to engage with him when he's acting this way. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24387 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: GH knows all this and is just trolling whenever he goes into his "mock and gawk" mode. GH is obsessed with mocking and gawking at others, while hypocritically criticizing others who do the same. In the past hour or so, he's added two new "mock and gawk" posts. He's just desperate for attention, and there doesn't seem to be much reason to engage with him when he's acting this way. As I understand Turbo: We're all just following the inertia of the current system because none of us want to have to fight hard against that very powerful inertia (despite the overwhelming recognition of the necessity of such actions). Meanwhile everyone enjoys complaining about it and belittling others. I think figuring out how to break out of that dynamic would be a good and fun use of our collectively otherwise rather banal posting. Don't all of you agree? | ||
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oBlade
United States6580 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:38 Billyboy wrote: I am not in the cult like you so I don’t believe anything he says. Obviously some of it is true, because he just says everything so that people like you can pick and choose. The comment was about how he swapped from obliterated to this. My blood pressure doesn’t change at all because I don’t listen to him, hence to question on how cultists and republicans feel. Your reading comprehension is awful, it’s sad how much time and effort you spend arguing against points that no one ever made. "Obliterated" was the nuclear sites quote. Do you need to be shown how the concepts of Iran's nuclear sites, and the Iranian military outside of the IRGC, are different? The only other obliterated thing is the navy. Surely you agree? Or do you dispute the navy's obliteration too, or is... your only answer from now on going to be "I don't actually care about the issues behind this, the only point was since Blumpf said some random quote, so everyone I strawman must believe it as gospel and has to defend it in the terms I defined." I mean you don't listen to him so much that you brought of your own volition a quote of his from an interview begging to know how anyone could have any reaction other than your own stupefaction. A quote that I had never seen and took 2 seconds to figure out what the point was as soon as he said the army was "moderate." What percent of your political day is spent thinking about "cultists?" | ||
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Billyboy
2517 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:56 oBlade wrote: "Obliterated" was the nuclear sites quote. Do you need to be shown how the concepts of Iran's nuclear sites, and the Iranian military outside of the IRGC, are different? The only other obliterated thing is the navy. Surely you agree? Or do you dispute the navy's obliteration too, or is... your only answer from now on going to be "I don't actually care about the issues behind this, the only point was since Blumpf said some random quote, so everyone I strawman must believe it as gospel and has to defend it in the terms I defined." I mean you don't listen to him so much that you brought of your own volition a quote of his from an interview begging to know how anyone could have any reaction other than your own stupefaction. A quote that I had never seen and took 2 seconds to figure out what the point was as soon as he said the army was "moderate." What percent of your political day is spent thinking about "cultists?" Gotcha, so their nuclear capabilities was obliterated? How about now? On to Trump on the Iranian military, and he does differentiate between IGRC and Iran military is some. He does use decimated a lot, He does say nothing left and he does use obliterated. So usual you are completely wrong. I get your brain rot causes you to forget about this as soon as he tells you something different. But it just doesn’t work that way for people outside of the cult. Rump quotes "you don't do a ceasefire when you're literally obliterating the other side." "Look, if we left right now, it would take 10 years for them to rebuild. But we're not ready to leave yet, but we'll be leaving in the near future. We'll be leaving in pretty much the very near future. But right now, they've been decimated from every standpoint." "We're winning the war by a lot. We've decimated their whole evil empire. It'll continue, I'm sure, for a little while." "The war is very complete, pretty much. If you look, they have nothing left. There's nothing left in a military sense." “Oh, I think we won. We've knocked out their Navy, their Air Force... We've knocked out everything... From a military standpoint, all they're doing is clogging up the strait. But from a military standpoint, they're finished" "To the members of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard, the armed forces and all of the police, I say tonight that you must lay down your weapons and have complete immunity, or, in the alternative, face certain death." “The entire military command is gone as well, and many of them want to surrender into saving their lives. They want immunity. They’re calling by the thousands.” "The United States military, together with the wonderful Israeli partners, continues to totally demolish the enemy far ahead of schedule and at levels that people have never seen before." . "We don't need people that join Wars after we've already won!" "Let me tell you, we've won. You know, you never like to say too early you won. We won. We won the -- in the first hour, it was over." But he also said, "we got to finish the job, right?" Trump told Axios that the war will be over "soon" because there is "practically nothing left to target." He said "any time I want it to end, it will end." "they're decimated … But I'm still not declaring it over." But from a military standpoint, they're finished." He added, "We've defeated the enemy, and they are an enemy." But from a military standpoint, they're finished." He added, "We've defeated the enemy, and they are an enemy." "serious discussions with A NEW, AND MORE REASONABLE, REGIME to end our Military Operations in Iran." If a deal is not "shortly reached" and the Strait of Hormuz is not immediately open, he said, the U.S. will blow up and obliterate Iran's electric plants, oil wells and Kharg Island. There is a bunch more of his claims and empty threats. I do find it amusing all you sheeple hanging off his words just drinking down his absolute bullshit and thinking you are some sort of smart independent thinker. Cracks me right up! | ||
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Billyboy
2517 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: GH knows all this and is just trolling whenever he goes into his "mock and gawk" mode. GH is obsessed with mocking and gawking at others, while hypocritically criticizing others who do the same. In the past hour or so, he's added two new "mock and gawk" posts. He's just desperate for attention, and there doesn't seem to be much reason to engage with him when he's acting this way. Totally agree, and how he has always been, just way more obvious to all now that the thread has a lot less noise. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1780 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:30 oBlade wrote: If you are having blood pressure spikes and losing sleep because Blumpf said the war was about to be over and then it wasn't multiple times then you should turn off the TV because there's functionally no difference to your life than it just not having been over and him never trying to Law of Attraction positive results from negotiations by flooding the airwaves. This is not something to stress about. At all. Ah yes, all the people facing power rationing in SEA, all the people paying $6 a gallon, all the people who's paychecks are being increasingly eaten up by inflation (which is only going to accelerate from the downstream effects) have not been affected in any way according to you. Yet another in a series of breathtakingly stupid takes from our resident fascist bootlicker in chief. On June 02 2026 01:56 oBlade wrote: "Obliterated" was the nuclear sites quote. Do you need to be shown how the concepts of Iran's nuclear sites, and the Iranian military outside of the IRGC, are different? The only other obliterated thing is the navy. Surely you agree? Or do you dispute the navy's obliteration too, or is... your only answer from now on going to be "I don't actually care about the issues behind this, the only point was since Blumpf said some random quote, so everyone I strawman must believe it as gospel and has to defend it in the terms I defined." Look at the lying liar lying away: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/iu0hxnP7BX8?t=35&feature=share Their army, their whole military has been literally obliterated, the whole place is obliterated. I guess being the last part of the Trump>Tucker human centipede kind of rubbs of on a person and they can't stop saying easily disprovable lies. Sad. | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1780 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12027 Posts
On June 02 2026 02:19 Billyboy wrote: On to Trump on the Iranian military, and he does differentiate between IGRC and Iran military is some. He does use decimated a lot, He does say nothing left and he does use obliterated. So usual you are completely wrong. Decimate sounds likely to be true. Because that originally just means destorying 1/10th of something sort of randomly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(punishment) | ||
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Billyboy
2517 Posts
On June 02 2026 05:09 Simberto wrote: Decimate sounds likely to be true. Because that originally just means destorying 1/10th of something sort of randomly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimation_(punishment) Broken clock right twice a day couldn’t be more accurate. Only difference is you know and verify the couple times, with Trump he doesn’t even know, imagine trusting a guy who is only right by accident! | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3318 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:30 oBlade wrote: If you are having blood pressure spikes and losing sleep because Blumpf said the war was about to be over and then it wasn't multiple times then you should turn off the TV because there's functionally no difference to your life than it just not having been over and him never trying to Law of Attraction positive results from negotiations by flooding the airwaves. This is not something to stress about. At all. It's so funny when MAGAts accuse others of "Trump Derangement Syndrome" and then unironically say shit like this. | ||
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Turbovolver
Australia2452 Posts
On June 02 2026 01:55 GreenHorizons wrote: As I understand Turbo: We're all just following the inertia of the current system because none of us want to have to fight hard against that very powerful inertia (despite the overwhelming recognition of the necessity of such actions). Meanwhile everyone enjoys complaining about it and belittling others. I think figuring out how to break out of that dynamic would be a good and fun use of our collectively otherwise rather banal posting. Don't all of you agree? I don't think you understood me if you think you can break out of the dynamic by talking about it among 25 people on a forum. Please don't use me as your latest cudgel with which to try to beat the posters here into having the discussions that it always turns out you didn't actually want to have, whenever your whims are actually entertained. Or you know, keep doing it, maybe we can have another great round of you making excuses about why you can't give any opinions or contributions of your own because "not everybody's done brainstorming yet". I don't think my name is going to do much for you on that front though. The diamond rings one was pretty weak, and "a guy who hardly posts here said this!" is worse. | ||
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Billyboy
2517 Posts
Imagine believing this guy was going to release them! 😂 | ||
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dyhb
United States786 Posts
On June 02 2026 09:51 Billyboy wrote: The House vote was 427-1, so the easy check here is to see if Trump endorsed literally the Speaker of the House. Then Steve Scalise (House majority leader, formerly whip). So this is untrue.I just read this for feel to correct, but Trump supported the opposition of every Republican who votes to release the Epstein files. Imagine believing this guy was going to release them! 😂 I checked another couple here. | ||
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