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On April 17 2026 22:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Eh, unless MTG is going to start consistently helping Democrats / the left against Republicans / the right, she'll stay an awful, conspiracy-obsessed moron in my eyes. She distanced herself from Trump in 2025, which is wayyy too late for a redemption arc.
I know that Omar's open-arms response is more palatable for an interview, but I wonder if she'd truly waste any energy on MTG. She shouldn't; no one should.
I would never vote for MTG for any office or support giving her even a token appointment for being anti-Trump. But that's not the point of any of this, it's to give wavering Trump supporters an off-ramp. They'll almost certainly never vote for people like Omar, but they could get bitterly apolitical at seeing someone they hate as much as Omar treat a true believer like MTG more graciously than Trump does.
Won't the off-ramp from Trump automatically be in 2028, when Trump probably doesn't run again? A new, open Republican primary would act as a palate cleanser for non-MAGA.conservatives.
Could, maybe. It’s difficult for me to see where that’s coming from given 2 and a bit terms and a primary and election where that cohort haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory.
Granted I thought Trump would be an aberration, or at least that it would have been more of a broad coalition rather than the ‘MAGA’ crowd being quite so dominant.
I’ve no real issue with Omar here, although I think framing is important. In the abstract, we’ll work across the aisle if we align is grand, equally so too is ‘if people see the light, we’ll welcome them on board to build a better America’ or whatever. The latter is quite hard to say without sounding judgemental or sanctimonious but it can be done.
Crucially I don’t think you actually do much here, it’s more something you throw out to form a certain perception, as you’ve alluded to.
The contrast to Harris and Cheney is I guess that rather than just say she welcomed Republicans crossing the aisle a bit because Trump is well, fucking shite, it was ‘hey everyone look it’s Liz Cheney!’
On April 18 2026 01:21 Jankisa wrote: Since we had 0 Trumps so far I think that while the current and only Trump is destroying the world order and robbing USA blind perhaps it would be prudent to focus on him.
No, we already had a Trump and he acted criminally to hold on to power, and the multiple smoking guns were publicly available, and the incoming Biden/Garland DoJ went "let bygones be bygones" to not upset anyone.
Turns out you can't have a rules-based society without enforcing the rules.
Oh, I Just meant this as a reply to GH and his "should we really focus on Trump" comment.
I personally blame Biden and his stupid ego not respecting what he said when he ran the first time (I want to be a transitional figure) and his absolute fecklessness and refusal to use his position as the leader of Democrats to put pressure and punish dissenters who were fucking with his agenda (Manchin, Sinema) as the primary reason why we got Trump 2.
That is way higher on the list of reasons that enabled his win then even self owns like campaigning with Liz Chaney or Kamala being unable to differentiate herself from Biden in any way.
The next in line for "most useless and pathetic self serving asshole" title behind Biden would be Garland. The fucker waited 2 years to start Jan 6 prosecutions, he did nothing to punish Trump for putting pressure and harassing judges and prosecutors, and for him I don't even have a theory of the case, sure, Biden was an egoistic old fool, but what the fuck is Garland's problem?
The fucker is at the end of his career, he's been waiting for a high position ever since the fucking turtle fucked him out of the SC seat, he finally gets that high position and then sits on his hands for 4 years.
At the minimum there should be hearings and investigations in to failures of DOJ under Biden.
On April 17 2026 22:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Eh, unless MTG is going to start consistently helping Democrats / the left against Republicans / the right, she'll stay an awful, conspiracy-obsessed moron in my eyes. She distanced herself from Trump in 2025, which is wayyy too late for a redemption arc.
I know that Omar's open-arms response is more palatable for an interview, but I wonder if she'd truly waste any energy on MTG. She shouldn't; no one should.
I would never vote for MTG for any office or support giving her even a token appointment for being anti-Trump. But that's not the point of any of this, it's to give wavering Trump supporters an off-ramp. They'll almost certainly never vote for people like Omar, but they could get bitterly apolitical at seeing someone they hate as much as Omar treat a true believer like MTG more graciously than Trump does.
Won't the off-ramp from Trump automatically be in 2028, when Trump probably doesn't run again? A new, open Republican primary would act as a palate cleanser for non-MAGA.conservatives.
Could, maybe. It’s difficult for me to see where that’s coming from given 2 and a bit terms and a primary and election where that cohort haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory.
Granted I thought Trump would be an aberration, or at least that it would have been more of a broad coalition rather than the ‘MAGA’ crowd being quite so dominant.
I’ve no real issue with Omar here, although I think framing is important. In the abstract, we’ll work across the aisle if we align is grand, equally so too is ‘if people see the light, we’ll welcome them on board to build a better America’ or whatever. The latter is quite hard to say without sounding judgemental or sanctimonious but it can be done.
Crucially I don’t think you actually do much here, it’s more something you throw out to form a certain perception, as you’ve alluded to.
The contrast to Harris and Cheney is I guess that rather than just say she welcomed Republicans crossing the aisle a bit because Trump is well, fucking shite, it was ‘hey everyone look it’s Liz Cheney!’
Yeah I don't really mind Omar saying what she said from a practical and political perspective, and I don't mind it if by some miracle, a few ex-MAGA people magically convert. I just don't think it's very realistic - especially from a piece of trash like MTG - but there doesn't really seem to be much of a downside. Can't help but roll my eyes though - one side extends olive branch after olive branch as the other side literally uses "lol this will own the libs" as a justification for destroying the country.
On April 18 2026 01:54 Dan HH wrote: the incoming Biden/Garland DoJ went "let bygones be bygones" to not upset anyone.
I guess that's true if you ignore the 44 federal indictments for mishandling of national security documents and attempting to overturn the 2020 U.S. presidential election, which the SCOTUS and Aileen Cannon brazenly interfered in to prevent conviction.
Ah yes, the ones that started 2 years too late and then had to be stopped due to a long standing policy of giving a pass to people that win a popularity contest, who could have forseen that nature would inflict an election on you at such a bad time. Luckily, 1000 Jan 6 rioters were already convicted by then so fascism is disincentivized forever.
On April 18 2026 01:54 Dan HH wrote: the incoming Biden/Garland DoJ went "let bygones be bygones" to not upset anyone.
I guess that's true if you ignore the 44 federal indictments for mishandling of national security documents and attempting to overturn the 2020 U.S. presidential election, which the SCOTUS and Aileen Cannon brazenly interfered in to prevent conviction.
Ah yes, the ones that started 2 years too late and then had to be stopped due to a long standing policy of giving a pass to people that win a popularity contest, who could have forseen that nature would inflict an election on you at such a bad time. Luckily, 1000 Jan 6 rioters were already convicted by then so fascism is disincentivized forever.
What did you want him to do, put SCOTUS in jail? Fly them to Guantanamo? Democracy is democracy. It's still better than arbitrary dictatorships, even from people I generally agree with like Biden. Maybe you should blame the people that voted for Trump instead.
Also, you understand it was federal and state judges that decided to dismiss all the charges (or, in the NY fraud case, sentencing for those convictions) when Trump won, right? That wasn't Biden or Garland's decision.
On April 18 2026 02:40 Jankisa wrote: At the minimum there should be hearings and investigations in to failures of DOJ under Biden.
I'm not sure you need a hearing to establish "6-3 SCOTUS majority ruled for a bunch of autocratic garbage."
You can say Garland should have worked faster, but that just means SCOTUS would've made their immunity ruling earlier and nothing changes in the end.
On April 18 2026 01:21 Jankisa wrote: Since we had 0 Trumps so far I think that while the current and only Trump is destroying the world order and robbing USA blind perhaps it would be prudent to focus on him.
No, we already had a Trump and he acted criminally to hold on to power, and the multiple smoking guns were publicly available, and the incoming Biden/Garland DoJ went "let bygones be bygones" to not upset anyone.
Turns out you can't have a rules-based society without enforcing the rules.
Oh, I Just meant this as a reply to GH and his "should we really focus on Trump" comment.
and his stupid ego not respecting what he said when he ran the first time (I want to be a transitional figure) and his absolute fecklessness and refusal to use his position as the leader of Democrats to put pressure and punish dissenters who were fucking with his agenda (Manchin, Sinema) as the primary reason why we got Trump 2.
That is way higher on the list of reasons that enabled his win then even self owns like campaigning with Liz Chaney or Kamala being unable to differentiate herself from Biden in any way.
The next in line for "most useless and pathetic self serving asshole" title behind Biden would be Garland. The fucker waited 2 years to start Jan 6 prosecutions, he did nothing to punish Trump for putting pressure and harassing judges and prosecutors, and for him I don't even have a theory of the case, sure, Biden was an egoistic old fool, but what the fuck is Garland's problem?
The fucker is at the end of his career, he's been waiting for a high position ever since the fucking turtle fucked him out of the SC seat, he finally gets that high position and then sits on his hands for 4 years.
At the minimum there should be hearings and investigations in to failures of DOJ under Biden.
Pretty sure DanHH is pointing out the same thing I am. Not because we align politically, but because DanHH probably understands the point I'm making about leverage.
Doesn't matter what you want politically really, what you need to get it is leverage. Small d democratic majorities and elections are one aspect of how you get that leverage, but historically, they typically come at the end after the work on the ground has made the status quo less tolerable than giving in to at least some of the demands.
Since the Civil Rights Movement, the pitch was "Hey women and Black people! We're (mostly) letting you vote now! Isn't that great! This is how you are to make any changes politically now! No more of that silly mass disruption stuff until demands are met! You can have big fun protests, just make sure to keep them symbolic"
We got mass incarceration (with legal slavery), women lost bodily autonomy, the surveillance state is out of control, Nixon's EPA is being dismantled, and the list goes on.
The idea that lining up behind Democrats after they finally parted ways with their most virulent racists in the 60's as part of a democratic political block to accomplish the things the poor people's campaign was aiming at before the US government conspired to subvert the campaign and assassinate MLK jr. for it looking too promising has categorically failed.
Any and all progress that can be said to have been gained since then must be recognized as happening despite the Democrat party, not because of it.
On April 18 2026 01:21 Jankisa wrote: Since we had 0 Trumps so far I think that while the current and only Trump is destroying the world order and robbing USA blind perhaps it would be prudent to focus on him.
No, we already had a Trump and he acted criminally to hold on to power, and the multiple smoking guns were publicly available, and the incoming Biden/Garland DoJ went "let bygones be bygones" to not upset anyone.
Turns out you can't have a rules-based society without enforcing the rules.
Oh, I Just meant this as a reply to GH and his "should we really focus on Trump" comment.
I personally blame Biden and his stupid ego not respecting what he said when he ran the first time (I want to be a transitional figure) and his absolute fecklessness and refusal to use his position as the leader of Democrats to put pressure and punish dissenters who were fucking with his agenda (Manchin, Sinema) as the primary reason why we got Trump 2.
That is way higher on the list of reasons that enabled his win then even self owns like campaigning with Liz Chaney or Kamala being unable to differentiate herself from Biden in any way.
The next in line for "most useless and pathetic self serving asshole" title behind Biden would be Garland. The fucker waited 2 years to start Jan 6 prosecutions, he did nothing to punish Trump for putting pressure and harassing judges and prosecutors, and for him I don't even have a theory of the case, sure, Biden was an egoistic old fool, but what the fuck is Garland's problem?
The fucker is at the end of his career, he's been waiting for a high position ever since the fucking turtle fucked him out of the SC seat, he finally gets that high position and then sits on his hands for 4 years.
At the minimum there should be hearings and investigations in to failures of DOJ under Biden.
The Democrats should do such hearings and investigations, but they're still stuck refusing to release their own postmortem on the most recent election loss.
Garland acted slowly or hesitated. Cases involving classified documents and special prosecutors die if you start late, go slow, and the target is elected president prior to their conclusions. Not to mention Jack Smith's errors, which also should get scrutinized.
On April 17 2026 21:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote: I am 100% pro law enforcement. In fact, I think most law enforcement agents deserve far higher pay than what they are getting. However, with that massive pay raise should come the acceptance of civilian oversight. To wit,
The criminal charges appear to be the first against a federal immigration officer for actions allegedly taken while on duty during the immigration enforcement crackdown in Minnesota earlier this year.
Overall, nation wide, ICE has been solid. However, the guy running the operations in Minnesota was bad. When ICE screws up their bosses need to acknowledge it. The least they can do is say, " the investigation is ongoing " and " we're taking a deeper look into this incident it is concerning" etc.
Also, ICE has been locking up people who I'd describe as "edge cases" too much. They need to stop that.
It was too easy to get into the country and now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. In August 2001, I got into the USA with zero ID. I said I was going to a Buffalo Bills pre-season game. They asked me questions for 3 minutes and then let me in along with the carload of guys who had ID. I should've been turned back... they were too lenient. I should not have been allowed into the country with zero ID no matter what story I came up with. Oh, and Jake Allen is over rated. Fuck the NFL and its replacement refs.. I am watching the CFL this year.
Trump continuing to yap on about how great the economy is ... is alienating his base. This isn't 1981 nor is it 2009... the unemployment rate is not doubling. That does not mean the job market is great though. Trump would be better served saying something like "i'm not happy with the job market for every day average americans; I am going to work hard to improve it this year". People screaming about how horrible the economy and job market are ... are as bad as Trump squawking about how amazing everything is. So much noise... and hardly any signal.
Yeah you think a totally out of control militia running around neighborhoods with masks to arrest brown people, totally ignoring due process, separating kids and parents, that has basically started riots because of their brutality and that puts people in cages or send them to concentration camps in Nicaragua is doing a solid job.
Are you stupid or what. The whole world is watching in absolute horror.
On April 18 2026 01:54 Dan HH wrote: the incoming Biden/Garland DoJ went "let bygones be bygones" to not upset anyone.
I guess that's true if you ignore the 44 federal indictments for mishandling of national security documents and attempting to overturn the 2020 U.S. presidential election, which the SCOTUS and Aileen Cannon brazenly interfered in to prevent conviction.
Ah yes, the ones that started 2 years too late and then had to be stopped due to a long standing policy of giving a pass to people that win a popularity contest, who could have forseen that nature would inflict an election on you at such a bad time. Luckily, 1000 Jan 6 rioters were already convicted by then so fascism is disincentivized forever.
What did you want him to do, put SCOTUS in jail? Fly them to Guantanamo? Democracy is democracy. It's still better than arbitrary dictatorships, even from people I generally agree with like Biden. Maybe you should blame the people that voted for Trump instead.
Also, you understand it was federal and state judges that decided to dismiss all the charges (or, in the NY fraud case, sentencing for those convictions) when Trump won, right? That wasn't Biden or Garland's decision.
On April 18 2026 02:40 Jankisa wrote: At the minimum there should be hearings and investigations in to failures of DOJ under Biden.
I'm not sure you need a hearing to establish "6-3 SCOTUS majority ruled for a bunch of autocratic garbage."
You can say Garland should have worked faster, but that just means SCOTUS would've made their immunity ruling earlier and nothing changes in the end.
It's not either/or, multiple parties are to blame for different aspects of why we are here.
Biden was focused on appearances, on avoiding the perception that the DoJ is used as a political instrument. And of course he was still vehemently accused of doing exactly that despite getting 0 accountability done.
He initially thought Trumpism is dead after Jan 6 and that his role is merely to heal the image of the US and its institutions from a freak accident. He was wrong not just in hindsight because it resulted in Trump 2, he was wrong in principle. You can't shove this under the carpet and cross your fingers it doesn't happen again, you encourage it to happen again if there are no consequences for any of it and the holes that were exploited aren't plugged.
Garland left to his own devices didn't want to rock the boat too much for similar reasons, chose to go after the small fish first and maybe eventually crawl his way up to Trump if the weather is right. Might not have even done it at all if it weren't for the Jan 6 committee hearings. He predictably didn't get to the finish line in time, the big fish won the election, released all the small fish, and runs his DoJ as a political instrument yelling at his attorney general to start sham trials against anyone that ever looked at him wrong. Absolutely nothing was accomplished by his bottom-up "strategy".
I am certain that if you ask either of them on their deathbed what their biggest regret is, it's this one.
TL;DR: Crucial work has not been done in order to attempt and fail at avoiding the appearance of impropriety.
Biden was focused on appearances, on avoiding the perception that the DoJ is used as a political instrument. And of course he was still vehemently accused of doing exactly that despite getting 0 accountability done. He initially thought Trumpism is dead after Jan 6 and that his role is merely to heal the image of the US and its institutions from a freak accident. He was wrong not just in hindsight because it resulted in Trump 2, he was wrong in principle. You can't shove this under the carpet and cross your fingers it doesn't happen again, you encourage it to happen again if there are no consequences for any of it and the holes that were exploited aren't plugged.
Do you have any sources for this being Biden's and/or Garland's mentality, or are you just assuming because of popular opinion? Because I recall Biden referring to Trump as an extreme danger to democracy on several occasions.
He predictably didn't get to the finish line in time
Neither of the federal cases ran out the clock. The 4 indictments for trying to overturn the election were hamstrung because of SCOTUS' decision on presidential immunity. The 40 indictments for mishandling of national security documents was judged by Aileen Cannon who is a partisan hack and dismissed the charges in July 2024, before the election. The 34 indictments for fraud in NY were a state case, as were the 8 indictments in Georgia for racketeering.
If anything, Garland waiting till 2023 to file charges was a smart move, since one or more of the conservative SCOTUS Justices might've died of natural causes and replaced by someone less horrible, and there'd be less chance of getting a shit federal judge like Cannon.
Biden was focused on appearances, on avoiding the perception that the DoJ is used as a political instrument. And of course he was still vehemently accused of doing exactly that despite getting 0 accountability done. He initially thought Trumpism is dead after Jan 6 and that his role is merely to heal the image of the US and its institutions from a freak accident. He was wrong not just in hindsight because it resulted in Trump 2, he was wrong in principle. You can't shove this under the carpet and cross your fingers it doesn't happen again, you encourage it to happen again if there are no consequences for any of it and the holes that were exploited aren't plugged.
Do you have any sources for this being Biden's and/or Garland's mentality, or are you just assuming because of popular opinion? Because I recall Biden referring to Trump as an extreme danger to democracy on several occasions.
Brother, the republic had just survived by the skin of its teeth. The entire interview process for attorney general should have been about how to prevent this from ever happening again.
Here's one source citing "wariness about appearing partisan" as a reason for why it took so long to even look into Trump's direction:
A Washington Post investigation found that more than a year would pass before prosecutors and FBI agents jointly embarked on a formal probe of actions directed from the White House to try to steal the election. Even then, the FBI stopped short of identifying the former president as a focus of that investigation.
A wariness about appearing partisan, institutional caution, and clashes over how much evidence was sufficient to investigate the actions of Trump and those around him all contributed to the slow pace. Garland and the deputy attorney general, Lisa Monaco, charted a cautious course aimed at restoring public trust in the department while some prosecutors below them chafed, feeling top officials were shying away from looking at evidence of potential crimes by Trump and those close to him, The Post found.
The electrifying public testimony delivered last month to the House Jan. 6 panel by Ms. Hutchinson, a former White House aide who was witness to many key moments, jolted top Justice Department officials into discussing the topic of Mr. Trump more directly, at times in the presence of Attorney General Merrick B. Garland and Deputy Attorney General Lisa O. Monaco.
In conversations at the department the day after Ms. Hutchinson’s appearance, some of which included Ms. Monaco, officials talked about the pressure that the testimony created to scrutinize Mr. Trump’s potential criminal culpability and whether he intended to break the law.
Bonus from the same link, slowed down by a silly memo written by Barr that they could have supplanted in 10 minutes if the leadership wasn't so focused on appearances:
If career prosecutors uncover evidence linking Mr. Trump to the crimes that they are investigating, new procedural hurdles make it more complicated for them to look into his actions. In 2016, rank-and-file F.B.I. agents did not need approval to investigate actions by Hillary Clinton and Mr. Trump. But Attorney General William P. Barr issued a memo that requires the attorney general, via the deputy attorney general, to approve such a move, which could place additional pressure on Ms. Monaco.
He predictably didn't get to the finish line in time
Neither of the federal cases ran out the clock. The 4 indictments for trying to overturn the election were hamstrung because of SCOTUS' decision on presidential immunity. The 40 indictments for mishandling of national security documents was judged by Aileen Cannon who is a partisan hack and dismissed the charges in July 2024, before the election. The 34 indictments for fraud in NY were a state case, as were the 8 indictments in Georgia for racketeering.
If anything, Garland waiting till 2023 to file charges was a smart move, since one or more of the conservative SCOTUS Justices might've died of natural causes and replaced by someone less horrible, and there'd be less chance of getting a shit federal judge like Cannon.
They did run out of time, Trump himself said that if he wouldn't have won the election his life would have been screwed due to the prosecutions (paraphrasing). Jack Smith released a report saying they had enough evidence for a conviction even in the updated indictments after the SCOTUS rule for the election case.
The documents one was stuck in appealing the dismissal iirc, which I would also count as running out of time, but that one is less relevant.
On April 18 2026 03:23 Biff The Understudy wrote: ....with masks to arrest brown people.... Are you stupid or what. The whole world is watching in absolute horror.
are you stupid or what? people who live a lot closer to the USA than you do... who visit all the time... can't wait to get a job in the USA. Canada's best tech school is the University of Waterloo. It has the best co-op program in the nation. Every student in Electrical Engineering, Software Engineering, Computer Science, and Actuarial Science .. their first choice is a job in the USA. The school is a 1.5 hour drive from the border and the students visit the USA all the time. They know far better what is going on than you do. https://uwimprint.ca/fall-2024-co-op-employment-rates-show-consistent-success-in-the-programme/
. Canada and the U.S., however, still remained dominantly in the top two locations for students to find their co-op placements.
Ontario nurses are flooding into the USA because they are tired of having the shit kicked out of them and the Canadian police doing fuck all about it. The average Ontario Nurse is assaulted 11 times in her career. https://ona.org/campaign/code-black-blue/
WSIB data obtained by ONA from 2021 to 2024 show that health-care workers missed 130,438 days of work due to workplace violence and harassment
These people have a much better first hand grasp of the USA than you do. And they're moving there for a better life.
On April 18 2026 03:23 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yeah you think a totally out of control militia running around neighborhoods with masks to arrest brown people, totally ignoring due process, separating kids and parents,
the University of Waterloo students get called "brown" all the time ... and they are flooding into the USA and can't wait to get here.
As I said, entry into the USA was too easy for a long time. Now, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Thing is, you are not forced to visit. No one is obligated to come to the USA. If you dislike it that much... don't go. That said, there are a lot of great people in the USA. A LOT.
About a million people legally immigrated into the USA in 2025.
The resulting estimate is that there were 560,000 to 575,000 green cards issued abroad in 2025, compared to about 670,000 in 2024.
This is kinda funny. Democrats are against voter ID because it may disenfranchise "some" voters, while at the same time going on a spree of disenfranchising entire states:
"Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state."
On April 18 2026 10:18 Razyda wrote: This is kinda funny. Democrats are against voter ID because it may disenfranchise "some" voters, while at the same time going on a spree of disenfranchising entire states:
"Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state."
States notably aren’t people last I checked
I’ve heard cogent arguments for adopting the popular vote from both sides of that, although generally I favour it myself.
But it’s a giant stretch to connect completely different issues, it feels you’re really reaching for a ‘gotcha’ that simply isn’t there.
On April 18 2026 03:23 Biff The Understudy wrote: ....with masks to arrest brown people.... Are you stupid or what. The whole world is watching in absolute horror.
are you stupid or what? people who live a lot closer to the USA than you do... who visit all the time... can't wait to get a job in the USA. Canada's best tech school is the University of Waterloo. It has the best co-op program in the nation. Every student in Electrical Engineering, Software Engineering, Computer Science, and Actuarial Science .. their first choice is a job in the USA. The school is a 1.5 hour drive from the border and the students visit the USA all the time. They know far better what is going on than you do. https://uwimprint.ca/fall-2024-co-op-employment-rates-show-consistent-success-in-the-programme/
. Canada and the U.S., however, still remained dominantly in the top two locations for students to find their co-op placements.
Ontario nurses are flooding into the USA because they are tired of having the shit kicked out of them and the Canadian police doing fuck all about it. The average Ontario Nurse is assaulted 11 times in her career. https://ona.org/campaign/code-black-blue/
On April 18 2026 03:23 Biff The Understudy wrote: Yeah you think a totally out of control militia running around neighborhoods with masks to arrest brown people, totally ignoring due process, separating kids and parents,
the University of Waterloo students get called "brown" all the time ... and they are flooding into the USA and can't wait to get here.
As I said, entry into the USA was too easy for a long time. Now, the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction. Thing is, you are not forced to visit. No one is obligated to come to the USA. If you dislike it that much... don't go. That said, there are a lot of great people in the USA. A LOT.
About a million people legally immigrated into the USA in 2025.
So the USA is still a big destination of choice for people throughout the world and from other G7 nations.
I don’t think you’ll have many arguments in the thread that the US is still an attractive port of call for many. Equally I mean not everyone is a Canadian nurse or an actuary.
On April 18 2026 10:18 Razyda wrote: This is kinda funny. Democrats are against voter ID because it may disenfranchise "some" voters, while at the same time going on a spree of disenfranchising entire states:
"Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state."
On April 18 2026 10:18 Razyda wrote: This is kinda funny. Democrats are against voter ID because it may disenfranchise "some" voters, while at the same time going on a spree of disenfranchising entire states:
"Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state."
Holy backwards comprehension, Batman. The electoral college already disenfranchises most voters from most (red and blue) states. The electoral college is far less fair and far less democratic than a popular vote. The whole point of the NPVIC is that it's fairer, and the fact that Republicans are resistant to it is a testament to the fact that they know they have an unfair advantage with the electoral college that they don't want to give up.
On April 18 2026 10:18 Razyda wrote: This is kinda funny. Democrats are against voter ID because it may disenfranchise "some" voters, while at the same time going on a spree of disenfranchising entire states:
"Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state."
States notably aren’t people last I checked
I’ve heard cogent arguments for adopting the popular vote from both sides of that, although generally I favour it myself.
But it’s a giant stretch to connect completely different issues, it feels you’re really reaching for a ‘gotcha’ that simply isn’t there.
What do you think states are then?? I mean if they arent people in regards to elections, shouldnt then governor be just appointed by president?? See this why you are lucky that Trump is president, because anyone else would be able make argument that if states arent people and if the "states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state" then state shouldnt hold elections.
Honestly Wombat, how can you say it is gotcha? It literally says " regardless of the results within the state" that literally means that result of your state vote doesnt matter. Let me remind you elected officials of a state should represent their state, not entire country.
Honestly:
"I’ve heard cogent arguments for adopting the popular vote from both sides of that, although generally I favour it myself."
On April 18 2026 10:18 Razyda wrote: This is kinda funny. Democrats are against voter ID because it may disenfranchise "some" voters, while at the same time going on a spree of disenfranchising entire states:
"Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state."
Holy backwards comprehension, Batman. The electoral college already disenfranchises most voters from most (red and blue) states. The electoral college is far less fair and far less democratic than a popular vote. The whole point of the NPVIC is that it's fairer, and the fact that Republicans are resistant to it is a testament to the fact that they know they have an unfair advantage with the electoral college that they don't want to give up.
Oh please, you are smart enough to understand that whole point is to maintain perpetual Democrat president
On April 18 2026 10:18 Razyda wrote: This is kinda funny. Democrats are against voter ID because it may disenfranchise "some" voters, while at the same time going on a spree of disenfranchising entire states:
"Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state."
Holy backwards comprehension, Batman. The electoral college already disenfranchises most voters from most (red and blue) states. The electoral college is far less fair and far less democratic than a popular vote. The whole point of the NPVIC is that it's fairer, and the fact that Republicans are resistant to it is a testament to the fact that they know they have an unfair advantage with the electoral college that they don't want to give up.
Oh please, you are smart enough to understand that whole point is to maintain perpetual Democrat president
On April 18 2026 10:18 Razyda wrote: This is kinda funny. Democrats are against voter ID because it may disenfranchise "some" voters, while at the same time going on a spree of disenfranchising entire states:
"Under the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact, states would assign their presidential electors to the winner of the popular vote, regardless of the results within the state."
States notably aren’t people last I checked
I’ve heard cogent arguments for adopting the popular vote from both sides of that, although generally I favour it myself.
But it’s a giant stretch to connect completely different issues, it feels you’re really reaching for a ‘gotcha’ that simply isn’t there.
What do you think states are then?? I mean if they arent people in regards to elections, shouldnt then governor be just appointed by president?? See this why you are lucky that Trump is president
You really jumped back into this thread just to be a troll? You don't have anything better to do?
EPT
