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KT_Elwood
Germany1094 Posts
Trump pardoned Cop killers.. while he lets Nazi-Nosferatu (Steven Miller) hunt Immigrants, in blue states, sparing the farm workers and the construction workers, becuase Businessowners might be mad with trump. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1937 Posts
Every sign on the road is saying we're headed directly to Iraq 2.0. Surely if you admit George W. Bush was not more trustworthy than U.N. inspectors, then the same is doubly true of Trump? | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
The problem isn't that Iran should or shouldn't have nukes. The problem is that Israel doesn't have the moral high ground and should therefore not be the ones to destroy Iran's nukes. They're an agitator in their own right and they're equally untrustworthy at this point. Anyone who disagrees hasn't been paying attention. I think this basically what my views are, its also why I dont really trust that Iran is close to nukes because nothing anyone has sent me actually says that, people are just making lots of inferences based on things that point to maybe them making nukes. I dont think nuclear arms are a clear enough moral subject matter for me to really come down on either side of them, but when it comes to Iran I just dont believe its a moral argument to begin with, its a cynical power argument from two cynical power abusing states. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On June 20 2025 12:39 Zambrah wrote: Because Israel is aggressive and everyone in the middle east seems to mostly hate each other's guts? I also find a future where Israel is the hegemonic power of the middle east a grim future given the way Israel has behaved itself wtih regards to the Palestinians. If Iran's missiles are not weakening Israel's ability to attack Iran and they are not deterring Israel, what is the result of Iran shooting missiles at Israel? Also, generally speaking, a non-nuclear military is usually not able to completely dominate another military pursuing nuclear weapons. North vs South Korea, Pakistan vs India, US vs USSR are all examples of military powers who were roughly equal and didn't have the capability to prevent the other from getting nukes without risking their own existence. Iran is a huge outlier in terms of overall military strength relative to their nuclear ambitions. They have been totally humiliated by Israel. I still think people are not quite giving enough attention to the fact that Israel has controlled Tehran's airspace for 3-5 days already. Ukraine keeping control of Kyiv in the early days of the Russian invasion is widely cited as the main reason they managed to hold on. Everyone agrees the war was totally over if Russia took Kyiv. Iran pretending this is still a war or a negotiation is purely the jihad talking. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On June 21 2025 01:31 Mohdoo wrote: If Iran's missiles are not weakening Israel's ability to attack Iran and they are not deterring Israel, what is the result of Iran shooting missiles at Israel? Also, generally speaking, a non-nuclear military is usually not able to completely dominate another military pursuing nuclear weapons. North vs South Korea, Pakistan vs India, US vs USSR are all examples of military powers who were roughly equal and didn't have the capability to prevent the other from getting nukes without risking their own existence. Iran is a huge outlier in terms of overall military strength relative to their nuclear ambitions. They have been totally humiliated by Israel. I still think people are not quite giving enough attention to the fact that Israel has controlled Tehran's airspace for 3-5 days already. Ukraine keeping control of Kyiv in the early days of the Russian invasion is widely cited as the main reason they managed to hold on. Everyone agrees the war was totally over if Russia took Kyiv. Iran pretending this is still a war or a negotiation is purely the jihad talking. That the people in Iran who hate Israel feel good that their government looks like theyre doing something when in effect they arent doing anything? Its typical strongman posturing bullshit. Im not sure what youre trying to get at here, that Irans government is bad? Yeah, the middle east is like that, I cant really think of any middle eastern government that comes to mind as good, everyone in the region seems to hate everyone else and theres a lot of religious fundamentalism and authoritarianism which doesnt exactly make for positive states. Israel is also bad and they've made it clear they dont give two shits about human life if it furthers whatever aims theyre pursuing, so a middle east with Israel as a hegemon still looks god awful and cruel and anti-humanitarian to me. Are you making a "well we can so we should" argument? Because I will point you back to the cynical geopolitical power play view because Im not seeing you as making any sort of moral argument about Israel attacking Iran, especially given noone has actually managed to provide me with anything concrete about Iran being days away from a nuclear weapon. On June 21 2025 02:38 GreenHorizons wrote: Clyburn (who you may remember from saving Biden's 2020 primary run) endorsed Cuomo as representing the future of the Democrat party. https://twitter.com/amandalitman/status/1936039544412885227 That's bad. Establishment democrats trying to prop up a shitty sex offender, shocking. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1002 Posts
On June 21 2025 01:31 Mohdoo wrote: If Iran's missiles are not weakening Israel's ability to attack Iran and they are not deterring Israel, what is the result of Iran shooting missiles at Israel? Also, generally speaking, a non-nuclear military is usually not able to completely dominate another military pursuing nuclear weapons. North vs South Korea, Pakistan vs India, US vs USSR are all examples of military powers who were roughly equal and didn't have the capability to prevent the other from getting nukes without risking their own existence. Iran is a huge outlier in terms of overall military strength relative to their nuclear ambitions. They have been totally humiliated by Israel. I still think people are not quite giving enough attention to the fact that Israel has controlled Tehran's airspace for 3-5 days already. Ukraine keeping control of Kyiv in the early days of the Russian invasion is widely cited as the main reason they managed to hold on. Everyone agrees the war was totally over if Russia took Kyiv. Iran pretending this is still a war or a negotiation is purely the jihad talking. I mean it's pretty clear from a military perspective that Iran is trying to exhaust the Israeli capacity to defend from the salvos, more and more stuff has been getting through and they might be waiting to throw something big in order to say "OK, so we can do this again so let's talk ceasefire". My guess is that soonish they'll try to trully overwhelm the missile shield to do serious damage, perhaps coordinating with Houthis and Hesbolah with shorter range stuff in order to do that. They might think that will make US or Israel think twice but it's more likely it just ends up in all out war and a lot of dead people, mostly Iranians, but they are kind of backed into a corner. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
On June 21 2025 02:55 Jankisa wrote: I mean it's pretty clear from a military perspective that Iran is trying to exhaust the Israeli capacity to defend from the salvos, more and more stuff has been getting through and they might be waiting to throw something big in order to say "OK, so we can do this again so let's talk ceasefire". My guess is that soonish they'll try to trully overwhelm the missile shield to do serious damage, perhaps coordinating with Houthis and Hesbolah with shorter range stuff in order to do that. They might think that will make US or Israel think twice but it's more likely it just ends up in all out war and a lot of dead people, mostly Iranians, but they are kind of backed into a corner. It sounds like we agree Iran can't do too much damage to Israel or else the US absolutely crushes Iran. So if Iran can't do critical enough damage to Israel to get them to back off without the US wiping Iran out entirely, what is Iran working towards by shooting missiles at Israel? | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
On June 21 2025 02:58 Mohdoo wrote: It sounds like we agree Iran can't do too much damage to Israel or else the US absolutely crushes Iran. So if Iran can't do critical enough damage to Israel to get them to back off without the US wiping Iran out entirely, what is Iran working towards by shooting missiles at Israel? Power. The main incentive of people with ambitions of power is to attain power and maintain power. In Iran those who oppose Israel maintain power. Whatever happens to the people of their nation is secondary. Just the war against the "others" is all that matters. Same story as that of Putin. War against Ukraine. Same story as that of Trump. Tariffs. Mass deportations. etc. | ||
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Broetchenholer
Germany1947 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22007 Posts
On June 21 2025 02:38 GreenHorizons wrote: The answer is still the same, primary them.Clyburn (who you may remember from saving Biden's 2020 primary run) endorsed Cuomo as representing the future of the Democrat party. https://twitter.com/amandalitman/status/1936039544412885227 That's bad. Wonder if the Democrats that give a shit can be bothered to get out to actually replace these people rather then complain online. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
On June 21 2025 03:44 Gorsameth wrote: The answer is still the same, primary them. Wonder if the Democrats that give a shit can be bothered to get out to actually replace these people rather then complain online. Who do you mean? Give a shit about what? EDIT: Should be noted Cuomo is Democrats current favorite for "replacing these people", referring to the current corrupt Democrat getting shamed out of his position. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On June 21 2025 03:44 Gorsameth wrote: The answer is still the same, primary them. Wonder if the Democrats that give a shit can be bothered to get out to actually replace these people rather then complain online. Zohrans doing a good job of it, hes already capped out on donation limits and people still keep trying. We'll see how powerful Money and Scumbags are here, but Zohrans at least a viable challenge, and given the NY mayoral primaries are Ranked Choice theres a real chance he can beat Cuomo. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22007 Posts
On June 21 2025 04:10 GreenHorizons wrote: I should have phrased it differently. Who do you mean? Give a shit about what? EDIT: Should be noted Cuomo is Democrats current favorite for "replacing these people", referring to the current corrupt Democrat getting shamed out of his position. Lets see if the voters who give a shit can be bothered to get out and vote to replace these people. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
On June 21 2025 04:22 Gorsameth wrote: I should have phrased it differently. Lets see if the voters who give a shit can be bothered to get out and vote to replace these people. Still unclear on what they're supposed to "give a shit" about? Cuomo donors/voters/endorsers give shits about things. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22007 Posts
On June 21 2025 04:32 GreenHorizons wrote: fine, if you wanne play dumb I see no point in engaging with you further.Still unclear on what they're supposed to "give a shit" about? Cuomo donors/voters/endorsers give shits about things. gz, you once again managed to alienate people who agree with you. it really is a gift. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26224 Posts
On June 21 2025 04:17 Zambrah wrote: Zohrans doing a good job of it, hes already capped out on donation limits and people still keep trying. We'll see how powerful Money and Scumbags are here, but Zohrans at least a viable challenge, and given the NY mayoral primaries are Ranked Choice theres a real chance he can beat Cuomo. Yeah there are promising signs, especially given it’s using Ranked Choice and there’s that anti-Cuomo pact going. A win would be fantastic obviously, but if not I think even a genuinely close race would also be a positive sign | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
On June 21 2025 04:51 Gorsameth wrote: I'm not playing dumb, you're being stubbornly vague about what you mean for them to "give a shit" about for no apparent reason. fine, if you wanne play dumb I see no point in engaging with you further. gz, you once again managed to alienate people who agree with you. it really is a gift. Let's also not pretend your "can be bothered to get out to actually replace these people rather then complain online" wasn't an intentionally antagonistic and alienating response from you in the first place either please. EDIT: On June 21 2025 05:16 Mohdoo wrote: I feel like every single person of course understands what they meant by "give a shit" Articulate it for me then please? | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15725 Posts
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