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I've come to the following conclusion and why so many people are turned off (falsely, but completely) from Dems or leftism in general.
(Radical) left: do everything you can to be an activist and if you're not, you're not worthy. Be viruous and if you show the slightest fault, you'll be punished (cancelled)
(Radical) right: we'll show you the path to develop yourself and make you into a strong individual while also embracibg you in our society. We'll teach (i.e. groom) you to become an upstanding, self reflecting citizen. But if you dare to leave us we'll destroy you.
On the left you're always on your toes. On the right you're embraced (for all the wrong reasons).
It makes sense relatively neutral people are turned off. Hell, even Dems here are vilified by GH because they're not doing enough by just existing in a certain space. Not everyone wants to be an activist. Does that mean they're actively harmful? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not yet entirely convinced by Freire's thesis, but he does make a compelling case from the oppressed-oppressors dynamic.
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On March 10 2025 21:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 21:42 Sadist wrote:
Lmao at blaming the teachers union for identity politics.
huh? i don't think you read my comment. the teachers union did not cause identity politics. Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 21:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 10 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2025 21:17 Dan HH wrote:
This is the biggest cultural heist in human history, convincing millions of people that everything needs to be destroyed because of couple of people on Twitter identify as dogs or want to be referred to by xer/xem.
no, parents lost some degree of autonomy raising their children due to overly militant teachers' unions using identity politics as a shield. What are you talking about? I'm talking about this kind of stuff. https://www.etfo.ca/socialjusticeunion/2slgbtqCatholics and Muslims in Ontario want no part of it. It is big contributing factor resulting in a very mediocre conservative Doug Ford winning a record 3rd majority term as Premier. That has never happened in the history of the province. I'm neither a Christian nor a Muslim, however, I 100% understand their perspective. Can you?
Just say you hate the gays man. It's allowed now, you won the culture war.
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Tutor services exist so parents, particularly those from minority backgrounds, can get a leg up ahead of the competition.
It’s kind of a failure of the education system because the kids aren’t exactly being taught how to learn but how to beat the examinations to get into higher education. Tutors are not going to teach you sex education or whatever because that’s not their purpose. I fed my students stacks of practice exams I obtained from the private school I went to.
China once upon a time did ban supplemental educational services, because it gives wealthy children a disproportionate advantage, but of course it doesn’t stop wealthy parents from hiring a domestic worker that is currently in the process of obtaining a graduate degree.
I don’t know about Canada but it has always existed and has only grown in adoption as demographics that have a history of using ROTE learning have immigrated in larger and larger numbers. Where I live, the boom occurred when people started noticing East Asian and East African students over performing and how their communities indirectly pressured parents to feed their children a wide range of supplemental cram sessions (to put it coarsely).
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On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky. i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work. They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it. These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year. I think the teachers unions are only a symptom of a much bigger problem in NA. The growing inability to develop children into healthy, disciplined, hard working, adults. And deeper than that... hardly anyone is having multiple children. How many regulars to this site have 3+ kids? Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:18 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Actually, Ford and his campaign manager played the snap election masterfully. the Ontario elementary school teacher's union hands him votes every year with their adherence to the 8 letter acronym agenda. An acronym that has changed so many times i wonder if the identity politics people in their midst of their own identity crisis.
Can’t afford 3 kids, don’t have 3 kids.
It’s not any kind of great mystery.
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On March 10 2025 22:55 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky. i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work. They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it. These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year. I think the teachers unions are only a symptom of a much bigger problem in NA. The growing inability to develop children into healthy, disciplined, hard working, adults. And deeper than that... hardly anyone is having multiple children. How many regulars to this site have 3+ kids? On March 10 2025 22:18 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Actually, Ford and his campaign manager played the snap election masterfully. the Ontario elementary school teacher's union hands him votes every year with their adherence to the 8 letter acronym agenda. An acronym that has changed so many times i wonder if the identity politics people in their midst of their own identity crisis. Can’t afford 3 kids, don’t have 3 kids. It’s not any kind of great mystery.
Statistics tell the story that those who know the least how many they can afford have the most.
I wouldn‘t want mine to have to carry a gun in their hands or have a boot on their face, so I‘d rather not have any.
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On March 10 2025 22:07 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 21:17 Dan HH wrote:
This is the biggest cultural heist in human history, convincing millions of people that everything needs to be destroyed because of couple of people on Twitter identify as dogs or want to be referred to by xer/xem.
That has zero impact on your life, none. Giving the reigns to an oligarchy led by an imbecile rapist tyrant incapable of empathy that threatens to annex allies, sides with invading dictators, cuts essential services, moves wealth upwards from his voters to a select few and destroys the economy due to his ignorace of elementary aspects of it - all of this in order to deal with a complete non-issue will never make sense no matter how much you want to emphasize the most ridiculous possible examples of wokeims.
Ironically, between Trump, Elon, Graham, Santos, Gaetz and too may others - this movement is full of absolute fucking weirdos and sex pests. Let's give influential degenerates power to deal with the vague anonymous internet people that we perceive as degenerates, make it make sense. This. This. And also this. I’ve personally known like, 2 trans people in my entire life. I shall occasionally see a trans person in various locales on my wanderings, but exceptionally rarely versus ye olde cis people. Yet to meet a Xer, or anything like that. Met plenty who struggle with rent, many who’ve given up on ever owning a house. Plenty who’ve fallen through cracks in mental health service cuts. Like, come the fuck on, it’s the most transparent, obvious distraction attempt from actual pertinent issues I’ve ever encountered. And when they more or less lost the war against trans people in general they pivoted to "but what about trans people in sports!". An even bigger niche issue that near enough no one ever has to deal with.
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On March 10 2025 22:55 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky. i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work. They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it. These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year. I think the teachers unions are only a symptom of a much bigger problem in NA. The growing inability to develop children into healthy, disciplined, hard working, adults. And deeper than that... hardly anyone is having multiple children. How many regulars to this site have 3+ kids? On March 10 2025 22:18 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Actually, Ford and his campaign manager played the snap election masterfully. the Ontario elementary school teacher's union hands him votes every year with their adherence to the 8 letter acronym agenda. An acronym that has changed so many times i wonder if the identity politics people in their midst of their own identity crisis. Can’t afford 3 kids, don’t have 3 kids. It’s not any kind of great mystery. At no point in the history of mankind have poor people stopped having kids because they couldn't afford it.
It is in fact full of the opposite.
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On March 10 2025 22:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky. i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work. They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it. These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year. I don't know what math lessons you're teaching, but mine aren't promoting identity politics. ramsey #s, lagrange multiplier problems, combinatorics, getting them through the 1st actual science math exam... stuff like that. Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Teachers make up the teachers unions, and it's our job to keep kids safe. Tutor services hardly existed ~2000. Now they're everywhere. They teach math, science, english, and french. They stay away from Sex Ed. That'll tell you where parents priorities lie. The "child safety" thing has been applied to the detriment of children. These days so many 18 year olds can't handle basic conflict. https://letgrow.org/kqed-kids-need-independence/Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:39 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
If you want to blame anyone, blame parents for treating teachers as glorified babysitters who then flip out when their child underperforms.
If there is no discipline at home, schools can only do so much. I have also tutored as a side hustle and top performing students all come from households that enforce discipline and some form of routine.
If parents aren’t enforcing routines and encouraging bad habits, it aren’t the woke unionised teachers at fault. They’re not your family, they only see your kids a few hours a day in a classroom filled with a couple dozen other kids they also have to manage. i agree. as i stated earlier... Teachers Unions are only a symptom. the wider problem is that North America has lost the ability to develop children into healthy adults.
Citation needed. When I was an undergraduate in the early 00's, there were tutoring services being advertised everywhere. Quite a few of my classmates were tutors for high-school kids.
Roll the clock 40 years and my own father had a side-hustle as a tutor while he was at university.
Honestly, where did you get this information from?
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Poor people in developed countries can kinda afford contraception? A family with 4 children is exceedingly rare.
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On March 10 2025 23:05 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky. i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work. They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it. These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year. I don't know what math lessons you're teaching, but mine aren't promoting identity politics. ramsey #s, lagrange multiplier problems, combinatorics, getting them through the 1st actual science math exam... stuff like that. On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Teachers make up the teachers unions, and it's our job to keep kids safe. Tutor services hardly existed ~2000. Now they're everywhere. They teach math, science, english, and french. They stay away from Sex Ed. That'll tell you where parents priorities lie. The "child safety" thing has been applied to the detriment of children. These days so many 18 year olds can't handle basic conflict. https://letgrow.org/kqed-kids-need-independence/On March 10 2025 22:39 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
If you want to blame anyone, blame parents for treating teachers as glorified babysitters who then flip out when their child underperforms.
If there is no discipline at home, schools can only do so much. I have also tutored as a side hustle and top performing students all come from households that enforce discipline and some form of routine.
If parents aren’t enforcing routines and encouraging bad habits, it aren’t the woke unionised teachers at fault. They’re not your family, they only see your kids a few hours a day in a classroom filled with a couple dozen other kids they also have to manage. i agree. as i stated earlier... Teachers Unions are only a symptom. the wider problem is that North America has lost the ability to develop children into healthy adults. Citation needed. When I was an undergraduate in the early 00's, there were tutoring services being advertised everywhere. Quite a few of my classmates were tutors for high-school kids. Roll the clock 40 years and my own father had a side-hustle as a tutor while he was at university. Honestly, where did you get this information from?
In his slight defence, a boom did occur as more East Asians and East Africans immigrated into our communities. Canada isn’t too dissimilar to my country so I assume it’s the same.
But his idea of tutoring is pretty odd to the point I’m not sure if he actually did any tutoring. In my country, there is a high correlation between smashing the state examinations and going to a $30,000 per year private school.
Not because teachers at private schools were significantly better but because these teachers were often involved in the writing of exams and the school somehow managed to collate huge amounts of “practice” exams for their students to grind on. We’re talking about enough to feed students one a day for half a year amounts of practice exams.
The amount of exam grinding got to a point where I actually had no comprehension of advanced mathematics (which was no good in university lol) but still scored well in the final exams solely because I memorised similar enough questions. There are only so many ways you can skin a cat after all.
Like in your anecdote, I got hired while in higher education to help (often wealthy) kids to score high so they could enter the higher education institution of choice. This was always a thing like you note, just went into overdrive in the late 90s and early 2000s. The solution was to use my experience and saved stacks of practice exams to help these kids game the system. I’m not going to pretend I was an exceptional teacher who made a lasting impact on these kids, I merely gave them the means to win.
Of course I’m not teaching sex ed because that’s not my job description. If sex ed was a part of the state examinations, you bet people would get hired to teach sex ed.
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On March 10 2025 23:04 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:55 WombaT wrote:On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky. i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work. They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it. These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year. I think the teachers unions are only a symptom of a much bigger problem in NA. The growing inability to develop children into healthy, disciplined, hard working, adults. And deeper than that... hardly anyone is having multiple children. How many regulars to this site have 3+ kids? On March 10 2025 22:18 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Actually, Ford and his campaign manager played the snap election masterfully. the Ontario elementary school teacher's union hands him votes every year with their adherence to the 8 letter acronym agenda. An acronym that has changed so many times i wonder if the identity politics people in their midst of their own identity crisis. Can’t afford 3 kids, don’t have 3 kids. It’s not any kind of great mystery. At no point in the history of mankind have poor people stopped having kids because they couldn't afford it. It is in fact full of the opposite.
There’s a reason the age of a first time mother has trended upwards, and is now above 30 in the UK. Concrete data apparently doesn’t exist for fathers, but is estimated at around 33.
Now, this most impacts a sorta medium band of people. Not wealthy enough to not have to worry about the finances, not poor enough to get bailed out to a degree by welfare/benefits programs.
And yes in many places, people also have many kids because there is no social safety net, if your kids aren’t gonna do it you’re kinda out luck there. Or also in places where the nuclear family, often geographically detached from wider/extended family isn’t the norm.
Roma/Irish travellers in my locale often have pretty big families and they sure ain’t rich, but they’re raising them in a more collective environment.
I’m a surprisingly popular guy IRL, I still know very few parents amongst me peer group, in both being a parent, as well as quite a young one at 23 I’m a bit atypical there. There’s a few now but it’s only once we crossed into that 30s bracket.
And for most it’s not a delay of 100% unaffordability, it’s more a ‘I’ve only just got established and not financially stretched, I don’t want to go back to that right away.’
So yeah, technically one can afford it.
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On March 10 2025 22:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky. i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work. They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it. These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year. I don't know what math lessons you're teaching, but mine aren't promoting identity politics. ramsey #s, lagrange multiplier problems, combinatorics, getting them through the 1st actual science math exam... stuff like that.
I've never invoked identity politics when teaching/tutoring those. Why do you think they're related to pushing a leftwing agenda? And how have teachers unions specifically told you to change your instructional methods to accommodate the LGBTQ+ community while teaching those topics? (The website you posted doesn't mention them at all.)
Show nested quote +On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Teachers make up the teachers unions, and it's our job to keep kids safe. Tutor services hardly existed ~2000. Now they're everywhere. They teach math, science, english, and french. They stay away from Sex Ed. That'll tell you where parents priorities lie. The "child safety" thing has been applied to the detriment of children. These days so many 18 year olds can't handle basic conflict. https://letgrow.org/kqed-kids-need-independence/
We're not talking about basic conflicts. We're talking about actual harassment and bullying and worse. Just because they happened 20 years ago too doesn't mean they have to keep happening. And giving teachers proper training to intervene when necessary - whether it's about an LGBTQ+ issue or something else - is important. That doesn't mean teachers can't teach their math, science, English, or French curricula anymore.
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