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Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5093 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 13:51:27
March 10 2025 13:47 GMT
#96741
I've come to the following conclusion and why so many people are turned off (falsely, but completely) from Dems or leftism in general.

(Radical) left: do everything you can to be an activist and if you're not, you're not worthy. Be viruous and if you show the slightest fault, you'll be punished (cancelled)

(Radical) right: we'll show you the path to develop yourself and make you into a strong individual while also embracibg you in our society. We'll teach (i.e. groom) you to become an upstanding, self reflecting citizen. But if you dare to leave us we'll destroy you.

On the left you're always on your toes. On the right you're embraced (for all the wrong reasons).
It makes sense relatively neutral people are turned off. Hell, even Dems here are vilified by GH because they're not doing enough by just existing in a certain space. Not everyone wants to be an activist. Does that mean they're actively harmful? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm not yet entirely convinced by Freire's thesis, but he does make a compelling case from the oppressed-oppressors dynamic.
Taxes are for Terrans
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7164 Posts
March 10 2025 13:48 GMT
#96742
On March 10 2025 21:58 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 21:42 Sadist wrote:
Lmao at blaming the teachers union for identity politics.

huh? i don't think you read my comment. the teachers union did not cause identity politics.
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 21:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 10 2025 21:35 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 21:17 Dan HH wrote:
This is the biggest cultural heist in human history, convincing millions of people that everything needs to be destroyed because of couple of people on Twitter identify as dogs or want to be referred to by xer/xem.

no, parents lost some degree of autonomy raising their children due to overly militant teachers' unions using identity politics as a shield.


What are you talking about?

I'm talking about this kind of stuff.
https://www.etfo.ca/socialjusticeunion/2slgbtq
Catholics and Muslims in Ontario want no part of it. It is big contributing factor resulting in a very mediocre conservative Doug Ford winning a record 3rd majority term as Premier. That has never happened in the history of the province.

I'm neither a Christian nor a Muslim, however, I 100% understand their perspective. Can you?

Just say you hate the gays man. It's allowed now, you won the culture war.
pro cheese woman / Its never Sunny in Finland. Perkele / FinnishStarcraftTrivia
Hat Trick of Today
Profile Joined February 2025
201 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 14:06:01
March 10 2025 13:54 GMT
#96743
Tutor services exist so parents, particularly those from minority backgrounds, can get a leg up ahead of the competition.

It’s kind of a failure of the education system because the kids aren’t exactly being taught how to learn but how to beat the examinations to get into higher education. Tutors are not going to teach you sex education or whatever because that’s not their purpose. I fed my students stacks of practice exams I obtained from the private school I went to.

China once upon a time did ban supplemental educational services, because it gives wealthy children a disproportionate advantage, but of course it doesn’t stop wealthy parents from hiring a domestic worker that is currently in the process of obtaining a graduate degree.

I don’t know about Canada but it has always existed and has only grown in adoption as demographics that have a history of using ROTE learning have immigrated in larger and larger numbers. Where I live, the boom occurred when people started noticing East Asian and East African students over performing and how their communities indirectly pressured parents to feed their children a wide range of supplemental cram sessions (to put it coarsely).
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26523 Posts
March 10 2025 13:55 GMT
#96744
On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky.

i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work.

They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it.

These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year.

I think the teachers unions are only a symptom of a much bigger problem in NA. The growing inability to develop children into healthy, disciplined, hard working, adults. And deeper than that... hardly anyone is having multiple children.

How many regulars to this site have 3+ kids?
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:18 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Actually, Ford and his campaign manager played the snap election masterfully.

the Ontario elementary school teacher's union hands him votes every year with their adherence to the 8 letter acronym agenda. An acronym that has changed so many times i wonder if the identity politics people in their midst of their own identity crisis.

Can’t afford 3 kids, don’t have 3 kids.

It’s not any kind of great mystery.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22277 Posts
March 10 2025 14:00 GMT
#96745
On March 10 2025 22:55 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky.

i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work.

They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it.

These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year.

I think the teachers unions are only a symptom of a much bigger problem in NA. The growing inability to develop children into healthy, disciplined, hard working, adults. And deeper than that... hardly anyone is having multiple children.

How many regulars to this site have 3+ kids?
On March 10 2025 22:18 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Actually, Ford and his campaign manager played the snap election masterfully.

the Ontario elementary school teacher's union hands him votes every year with their adherence to the 8 letter acronym agenda. An acronym that has changed so many times i wonder if the identity politics people in their midst of their own identity crisis.

Can’t afford 3 kids, don’t have 3 kids.

It’s not any kind of great mystery.


Statistics tell the story that those who know the least how many they can afford have the most.

I wouldn‘t want mine to have to carry a gun in their hands or have a boot on their face, so I‘d rather not have any.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22204 Posts
March 10 2025 14:02 GMT
#96746
On March 10 2025 22:07 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 21:17 Dan HH wrote:
This is the biggest cultural heist in human history, convincing millions of people that everything needs to be destroyed because of couple of people on Twitter identify as dogs or want to be referred to by xer/xem.

That has zero impact on your life, none. Giving the reigns to an oligarchy led by an imbecile rapist tyrant incapable of empathy that threatens to annex allies, sides with invading dictators, cuts essential services, moves wealth upwards from his voters to a select few and destroys the economy due to his ignorace of elementary aspects of it - all of this in order to deal with a complete non-issue will never make sense no matter how much you want to emphasize the most ridiculous possible examples of wokeims.

Ironically, between Trump, Elon, Graham, Santos, Gaetz and too may others - this movement is full of absolute fucking weirdos and sex pests. Let's give influential degenerates power to deal with the vague anonymous internet people that we perceive as degenerates, make it make sense.

This. This. And also this.

I’ve personally known like, 2 trans people in my entire life. I shall occasionally see a trans person in various locales on my wanderings, but exceptionally rarely versus ye olde cis people.

Yet to meet a Xer, or anything like that.

Met plenty who struggle with rent, many who’ve given up on ever owning a house. Plenty who’ve fallen through cracks in mental health service cuts.

Like, come the fuck on, it’s the most transparent, obvious distraction attempt from actual pertinent issues I’ve ever encountered.
And when they more or less lost the war against trans people in general they pivoted to "but what about trans people in sports!". An even bigger niche issue that near enough no one ever has to deal with.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22204 Posts
March 10 2025 14:04 GMT
#96747
On March 10 2025 22:55 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky.

i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work.

They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it.

These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year.

I think the teachers unions are only a symptom of a much bigger problem in NA. The growing inability to develop children into healthy, disciplined, hard working, adults. And deeper than that... hardly anyone is having multiple children.

How many regulars to this site have 3+ kids?
On March 10 2025 22:18 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Actually, Ford and his campaign manager played the snap election masterfully.

the Ontario elementary school teacher's union hands him votes every year with their adherence to the 8 letter acronym agenda. An acronym that has changed so many times i wonder if the identity politics people in their midst of their own identity crisis.

Can’t afford 3 kids, don’t have 3 kids.

It’s not any kind of great mystery.
At no point in the history of mankind have poor people stopped having kids because they couldn't afford it.

It is in fact full of the opposite.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2849 Posts
March 10 2025 14:05 GMT
#96748
On March 10 2025 22:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky.

i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work.

They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it.

These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year.


I don't know what math lessons you're teaching, but mine aren't promoting identity politics.

ramsey #s, lagrange multiplier problems, combinatorics, getting them through the 1st actual science math exam... stuff like that.

Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Teachers make up the teachers unions, and it's our job to keep kids safe.

Tutor services hardly existed ~2000. Now they're everywhere. They teach math, science, english, and french. They stay away from Sex Ed. That'll tell you where parents priorities lie.

The "child safety" thing has been applied to the detriment of children. These days so many 18 year olds can't handle basic conflict.
https://letgrow.org/kqed-kids-need-independence/
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On March 10 2025 22:39 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
If you want to blame anyone, blame parents for treating teachers as glorified babysitters who then flip out when their child underperforms.

If there is no discipline at home, schools can only do so much. I have also tutored as a side hustle and top performing students all come from households that enforce discipline and some form of routine.

If parents aren’t enforcing routines and encouraging bad habits, it aren’t the woke unionised teachers at fault. They’re not your family, they only see your kids a few hours a day in a classroom filled with a couple dozen other kids they also have to manage.

i agree.

as i stated earlier... Teachers Unions are only a symptom. the wider problem is that North America has lost the ability to develop children into healthy adults.


Citation needed. When I was an undergraduate in the early 00's, there were tutoring services being advertised everywhere. Quite a few of my classmates were tutors for high-school kids.

Roll the clock 40 years and my own father had a side-hustle as a tutor while he was at university.

Honestly, where did you get this information from?
estás más desubicao q un croissant en un plato de nécoras
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5093 Posts
March 10 2025 14:08 GMT
#96749
Poor people in developed countries can kinda afford contraception? A family with 4 children is exceedingly rare.
Taxes are for Terrans
Hat Trick of Today
Profile Joined February 2025
201 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 14:27:03
March 10 2025 14:15 GMT
#96750
On March 10 2025 23:05 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky.

i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work.

They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it.

These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year.


I don't know what math lessons you're teaching, but mine aren't promoting identity politics.

ramsey #s, lagrange multiplier problems, combinatorics, getting them through the 1st actual science math exam... stuff like that.

On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Teachers make up the teachers unions, and it's our job to keep kids safe.

Tutor services hardly existed ~2000. Now they're everywhere. They teach math, science, english, and french. They stay away from Sex Ed. That'll tell you where parents priorities lie.

The "child safety" thing has been applied to the detriment of children. These days so many 18 year olds can't handle basic conflict.
https://letgrow.org/kqed-kids-need-independence/
On March 10 2025 22:39 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
If you want to blame anyone, blame parents for treating teachers as glorified babysitters who then flip out when their child underperforms.

If there is no discipline at home, schools can only do so much. I have also tutored as a side hustle and top performing students all come from households that enforce discipline and some form of routine.

If parents aren’t enforcing routines and encouraging bad habits, it aren’t the woke unionised teachers at fault. They’re not your family, they only see your kids a few hours a day in a classroom filled with a couple dozen other kids they also have to manage.

i agree.

as i stated earlier... Teachers Unions are only a symptom. the wider problem is that North America has lost the ability to develop children into healthy adults.


Citation needed. When I was an undergraduate in the early 00's, there were tutoring services being advertised everywhere. Quite a few of my classmates were tutors for high-school kids.

Roll the clock 40 years and my own father had a side-hustle as a tutor while he was at university.

Honestly, where did you get this information from?


In his slight defence, a boom did occur as more East Asians and East Africans immigrated into our communities. Canada isn’t too dissimilar to my country so I assume it’s the same.

But his idea of tutoring is pretty odd to the point I’m not sure if he actually did any tutoring. In my country, there is a high correlation between smashing the state examinations and going to a $30,000 per year private school.

Not because teachers at private schools were significantly better but because these teachers were often involved in the writing of exams and the school somehow managed to collate huge amounts of “practice” exams for their students to grind on. We’re talking about enough to feed students one a day for half a year amounts of practice exams.

The amount of exam grinding got to a point where I actually had no comprehension of advanced mathematics (which was no good in university lol) but still scored well in the final exams solely because I memorised similar enough questions. There are only so many ways you can skin a cat after all.

Like in your anecdote, I got hired while in higher education to help (often wealthy) kids to score high so they could enter the higher education institution of choice. This was always a thing like you note, just went into overdrive in the late 90s and early 2000s. The solution was to use my experience and saved stacks of practice exams to help these kids game the system. I’m not going to pretend I was an exceptional teacher who made a lasting impact on these kids, I merely gave them the means to win.

Of course I’m not teaching sex ed because that’s not my job description. If sex ed was a part of the state examinations, you bet people would get hired to teach sex ed.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26523 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 14:47:03
March 10 2025 14:45 GMT
#96751
On March 10 2025 23:04 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:55 WombaT wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky.

i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work.

They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it.

These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year.

I think the teachers unions are only a symptom of a much bigger problem in NA. The growing inability to develop children into healthy, disciplined, hard working, adults. And deeper than that... hardly anyone is having multiple children.

How many regulars to this site have 3+ kids?
On March 10 2025 22:18 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
Actually, Ford and his campaign manager played the snap election masterfully.

the Ontario elementary school teacher's union hands him votes every year with their adherence to the 8 letter acronym agenda. An acronym that has changed so many times i wonder if the identity politics people in their midst of their own identity crisis.

Can’t afford 3 kids, don’t have 3 kids.

It’s not any kind of great mystery.
At no point in the history of mankind have poor people stopped having kids because they couldn't afford it.

It is in fact full of the opposite.

There’s a reason the age of a first time mother has trended upwards, and is now above 30 in the UK. Concrete data apparently doesn’t exist for fathers, but is estimated at around 33.

Now, this most impacts a sorta medium band of people. Not wealthy enough to not have to worry about the finances, not poor enough to get bailed out to a degree by welfare/benefits programs.

And yes in many places, people also have many kids because there is no social safety net, if your kids aren’t gonna do it you’re kinda out luck there. Or also in places where the nuclear family, often geographically detached from wider/extended family isn’t the norm.

Roma/Irish travellers in my locale often have pretty big families and they sure ain’t rich, but they’re raising them in a more collective environment.

I’m a surprisingly popular guy IRL, I still know very few parents amongst me peer group, in both being a parent, as well as quite a young one at 23 I’m a bit atypical there. There’s a few now but it’s only once we crossed into that 30s bracket.

And for most it’s not a delay of 100% unaffordability, it’s more a ‘I’ve only just got established and not financially stretched, I don’t want to go back to that right away.’

So yeah, technically one can afford it.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45452 Posts
March 10 2025 14:46 GMT
#96752
On March 10 2025 22:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky.

i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work.

They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it.

These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year.


I don't know what math lessons you're teaching, but mine aren't promoting identity politics.

ramsey #s, lagrange multiplier problems, combinatorics, getting them through the 1st actual science math exam... stuff like that.


I've never invoked identity politics when teaching/tutoring those. Why do you think they're related to pushing a leftwing agenda? And how have teachers unions specifically told you to change your instructional methods to accommodate the LGBTQ+ community while teaching those topics? (The website you posted doesn't mention them at all.)

Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Teachers make up the teachers unions, and it's our job to keep kids safe.

Tutor services hardly existed ~2000. Now they're everywhere. They teach math, science, english, and french. They stay away from Sex Ed. That'll tell you where parents priorities lie.

The "child safety" thing has been applied to the detriment of children. These days so many 18 year olds can't handle basic conflict.
https://letgrow.org/kqed-kids-need-independence/


We're not talking about basic conflicts. We're talking about actual harassment and bullying and worse. Just because they happened 20 years ago too doesn't mean they have to keep happening. And giving teachers proper training to intervene when necessary - whether it's about an LGBTQ+ issue or something else - is important. That doesn't mean teachers can't teach their math, science, English, or French curricula anymore.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
March 10 2025 18:17 GMT
#96753
On March 10 2025 21:17 Dan HH wrote:
This is the biggest cultural heist in human history, convincing millions of people that everything needs to be destroyed because of couple of people on Twitter identify as dogs or want to be referred to by xer/xem.


The typical tone-deaf response I've grown accustomed to. It's death by a thousand paper cuts. Take any single example out of context and say "omg I can't believe we handed Trump the presidency because people on Twitter identify as dogs" is just full stick your head in the sand level of denialism. I've posted dozens if not hundreds of examples...

In Oakland they taught schoolchildren as young as 4 that A is for apple.. B is for banana... I is in for intifada. Do you think Jewish people want their kids going to school to learn that I is for intifada?

In Chicago the teacher's union tweeted "The push to reopen schools is rooted in sexism, racism and misogyny." Do you think playing identity politics to keep schools closed is an issue that has "zero impact on your life." Parents being able to get an education for their child doesn't matter to their life?

Do you think someone's daughter coming home from school and being unsure if she is a girl is something that has no impact on anyone's life? How do you think this is tolerated in black and hispanic households which are often even more socially conservative than white households? What's your theory on why hispanics swung more for Trump in 2024 than 2020 while he threatened to mass deport them?

If this stuff is so stupid and inconsequential then you should probably give up on it if it means handing Trump the presidency. But no, we just can't give up telling 8 year olds they are oppressors/oppressed. We just really need the books depicting blowjobs in the school libraries. We just have to dumb down the math curriculum for the sake of racial equity. Even if it means handing Trump the presidency. All-time stupidest hill to die on.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17431 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 18:46:23
March 10 2025 18:29 GMT
#96754
Here is a much deeper dive into how "insuring the safety of children" turns into "The Coddling Of The American Mind".
"How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure"



https://www.amazon.ca/Coddling-American-Mind-Intentions-Generation/dp/0735224897

America has turned into the "Home of the Anxious And Fragile".

The book is awesome. I highly recommend it.

Everyone is an advocate of "free range chicken"; how about we alter our laws, as Utah has done, to permit the raising of some "free range children". Perhaps the accelerating and rising suicide rates amongst teenagers will level off?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9191 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 18:39:31
March 10 2025 18:37 GMT
#96755
On March 11 2025 03:17 BlackJack wrote:
I've posted dozens if not hundreds of examples...

You have, and all of them that I've seen have been inconsequential outrage bait. The few that I ended up googling (against my better judgement) were much milder overreach than the tabloid-version of the story that had reached you. You've been a useful idiot in amplifying the nonsense idea that a teacher with prosthetic tits or a children's book that teaches words related to Palestine are somehow humanity's biggest threat and super serious business that we need to destroy everything to prevent.

On March 11 2025 03:17 BlackJack wrote:
If this stuff is so stupid and inconsequential then you should probably give up on it if it means handing Trump the presidency. But no, we just can't give up telling 8 year olds they are oppressors/oppressed. We just really need the books depicting blowjobs in the school libraries. We just have to dumb down the math curriculum for the sake of racial equity. Even if it means handing Trump the presidency. All-time stupidest hill to die on.

You don't get it and I doubt you ever will at this point. The trans-on-women harrassment in bathrooms doesn't have to be real for people to select a rapist to protect women from it, the social media induced idea that this is a real and pressing issue is enough for that to happen. The very few and minor real examples that can be given up aren't enough to make up for all the fabricated and hyperbolic nonsense that can't be given up because you can't give up something that doesn't fucking exist.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17431 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 18:55:01
March 10 2025 18:48 GMT
#96756
On March 11 2025 03:17 BlackJack wrote:
We just have to dumb down the math curriculum for the sake of racial equity.

it is fascinating you say this because Canada's best math school with the hardest math courses has hardly any white and/or black people in it. I don't think the koreans, filipinos, pakistanis and east indians want the government screwing around with their very competitive courses.

the two top math professions are prolly Electrical Engineer and Actuary. What % of the 2025 graduating class are black and/or white in the USA? I'll bet you it is low.

"we are the future Charles .. not them ... they no longer matter..." , Magneto to Xavier in the 2000 movie X-Men.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
March 10 2025 18:55 GMT
#96757
On March 11 2025 03:37 Dan HH wrote:
a teacher with prosthetic tits or a children's book that teaches words related to Palestine are somehow humanity's biggest threat and super serious business that we need to destroy everything to prevent.


Terrible strawman. That's exactly the opposite of what I've been saying. I'm not saying we should elect Trump to defeat the wokeism. I'm saying you should drop the wokeism so we don't end up with Trump. Too late now, anyway.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17431 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 19:03:11
March 10 2025 19:01 GMT
#96758
The trade war continues. Ontario is threatening to shut off electricity to 1.5 million homes and businesses in Minnesota, New York, and Michigan.

The wave of nationalism spreading across Canada is going to destroy it. It seems Donald Trump learned more from Pierre Trudeau than his own son did.


Doug Ford is miscalculating badly. However, he just won a big majority government. He has a mandate. Canadians want Doug Ford to do this kind of thing.

Claudia Sheinbaum is getting compliments from Lutnick and Trump. She is doing a much better job negotiating with Trump than the various Canadian/Canadien leaders.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 19:07:03
March 10 2025 19:06 GMT
#96759
On March 10 2025 23:05 EnDeR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 22:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky.

i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work.

They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it.

These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year.


I don't know what math lessons you're teaching, but mine aren't promoting identity politics.

ramsey #s, lagrange multiplier problems, combinatorics, getting them through the 1st actual science math exam... stuff like that.

On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Teachers make up the teachers unions, and it's our job to keep kids safe.

Tutor services hardly existed ~2000. Now they're everywhere. They teach math, science, english, and french. They stay away from Sex Ed. That'll tell you where parents priorities lie.

The "child safety" thing has been applied to the detriment of children. These days so many 18 year olds can't handle basic conflict.
https://letgrow.org/kqed-kids-need-independence/
On March 10 2025 22:39 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
If you want to blame anyone, blame parents for treating teachers as glorified babysitters who then flip out when their child underperforms.

If there is no discipline at home, schools can only do so much. I have also tutored as a side hustle and top performing students all come from households that enforce discipline and some form of routine.

If parents aren’t enforcing routines and encouraging bad habits, it aren’t the woke unionised teachers at fault. They’re not your family, they only see your kids a few hours a day in a classroom filled with a couple dozen other kids they also have to manage.

i agree.

as i stated earlier... Teachers Unions are only a symptom. the wider problem is that North America has lost the ability to develop children into healthy adults.


Citation needed. When I was an undergraduate in the early 00's, there were tutoring services being advertised everywhere. Quite a few of my classmates were tutors for high-school kids.

Roll the clock 40 years and my own father had a side-hustle as a tutor while he was at university.

Honestly, where did you get this information from?


Mostly photos from yearbooks in the '70s and '80s by the sound of it. No fat kids, no tutors.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45452 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-03-10 19:14:50
March 10 2025 19:12 GMT
#96760
On March 11 2025 04:06 Fleetfeet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2025 23:05 EnDeR_ wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:27 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On March 10 2025 22:20 WombaT wrote:
Religious fundamentalists with gay/trans kids, well you might get a beating, or be homeless. If you’re lucky.

i'm talking about your basic, every day Catholic or Muslim. I'm surrounded by them. Hell, they built the city in which I work.

They love it when I teach their teenagers advanced math. You think either of these parent groups want a jew talking to their kids about anything else? i doubt it. I'm 100% on board with their restrictions ... you see I have an ounce of common sense. For whatever reason, there exists overly militant Teacher's Unions that are not backing down. They have their life philosophy and they aim to teach it.

These teachers unions are creating more conservative voters every year.


I don't know what math lessons you're teaching, but mine aren't promoting identity politics.

ramsey #s, lagrange multiplier problems, combinatorics, getting them through the 1st actual science math exam... stuff like that.

On March 10 2025 22:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Teachers make up the teachers unions, and it's our job to keep kids safe.

Tutor services hardly existed ~2000. Now they're everywhere. They teach math, science, english, and french. They stay away from Sex Ed. That'll tell you where parents priorities lie.

The "child safety" thing has been applied to the detriment of children. These days so many 18 year olds can't handle basic conflict.
https://letgrow.org/kqed-kids-need-independence/
On March 10 2025 22:39 Hat Trick of Today wrote:
If you want to blame anyone, blame parents for treating teachers as glorified babysitters who then flip out when their child underperforms.

If there is no discipline at home, schools can only do so much. I have also tutored as a side hustle and top performing students all come from households that enforce discipline and some form of routine.

If parents aren’t enforcing routines and encouraging bad habits, it aren’t the woke unionised teachers at fault. They’re not your family, they only see your kids a few hours a day in a classroom filled with a couple dozen other kids they also have to manage.

i agree.

as i stated earlier... Teachers Unions are only a symptom. the wider problem is that North America has lost the ability to develop children into healthy adults.


Citation needed. When I was an undergraduate in the early 00's, there were tutoring services being advertised everywhere. Quite a few of my classmates were tutors for high-school kids.

Roll the clock 40 years and my own father had a side-hustle as a tutor while he was at university.

Honestly, where did you get this information from?


Mostly photos from yearbooks in the '70s and '80s by the sound of it. No fat kids, no tutors.


Republicans want fat kids though, because that represents freedom. Conservatives had a conniption when Michelle Obama tried getting schoolchildren to eat healthy, and they detest oversight like the FDA and nutritional standards. (It's consistent and unsurprising that conservatives are more unhealthy and overweight, compared to liberals.)
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