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On March 05 2025 01:02 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 00:17 WombaT wrote:On March 05 2025 00:12 KT_Elwood wrote:
Maga makes free speech great again:
I mean obviously he has no authority to do all the shit he says, but again.. he wants to, and if the americans keep pretending "it's not so bad" he will get it. Yeah I saw this earlier. Totally not concerning. What even constitutes the ‘illegal’ in ‘illegal protest’ here? LibHorizons: Pretty obvious reference to the campus protests for Palestinians which Democrats already deemed illegal before sending in police to violently stop them. Doubt he stops there though. What was the threshold there?
LibHorizons: It varied, but basically whether the school wanted to call it illegal or not.
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On March 05 2025 01:12 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 01:02 WombaT wrote:On March 05 2025 00:53 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 00:17 WombaT wrote:On March 05 2025 00:12 KT_Elwood wrote:
Maga makes free speech great again:
I mean obviously he has no authority to do all the shit he says, but again.. he wants to, and if the americans keep pretending "it's not so bad" he will get it. Yeah I saw this earlier. Totally not concerning. What even constitutes the ‘illegal’ in ‘illegal protest’ here? LibHorizons: Pretty obvious reference to the campus protests for Palestinians which Democrats already deemed illegal before sending in police to violently stop them. Doubt he stops there though. What was the threshold there? LibHorizons: It varied, but basically whether the school wanted to call it illegal or not.
A great example of the difference between what Libhorizons worked to and what GH worked to in the last election. Remember this is one of the things we warned GH about that he considered wasn't important enough to work to prevent.
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I like Mexico's delayed response to tariffs.
https://halifax.citynews.ca/2025/03/04/mexico-will-impose-retaliatory-tariffs-on-us-goods/
Sheinbaum said she will announce the products Mexico will target on Sunday in a public event in Mexico City’s central plaza, perhaps indicating Mexico still hopes to de-escalate the trade war set off by U.S. President Donald Trump.
Unlike China and Canada, Mexico decided to wait until Sunday, though the country has said since January that it had a plan ready for precisely this scenario.
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On March 05 2025 01:05 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 00:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 00:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 04 2025 23:57 Sermokala wrote:
Trudeau has already said hes not running in the next election. Trump's tariffs have singlehandedly turned the Canadian political sphere on its head from a conservative majority to a competitive election where the liberals can somehow hold onto power. Trudeau bowed out because his approval rating was 20%. He won't open parliament because it will trigger an election. Trudeau has crippled Canada. The polls in Canada changed substantially right after Trudeau resigned. I'd say the "political sphere" changed more because Trudeau quit than anything Trump has done. Trump has done a lot though. + Show Spoiler +These are things you should take note of from your last post and the questions you asked in it.
What happened right after Trudeau resigned? Its pretty funny to see GH criticize dems/libs for not doing work when him and other socialists can't even get out and vote to stop Trump. Until the day comes when he recognizes that he has agency and is responsible for the consequences of his actions, I'm not going to accept criticism from those that actively help the harm from the right. LibHorzions: I voted for Harris bruh. It's also pretty stupid to let GH's posts prevent you from doing the work we all know needs to be done. I believe you can be better than that. I don't know If I need to be the one to tell you but that means to GH that you're a genocide supporter and actively support what happens in Palestine. He is the one on the moral high ground that told us that Harris didn't need to win and that it wasn't important enough to vote for her to prevent Trump from doing what you are trying to "convince" others to work to prevent. Theres no evidence to support his standards when by his reputation he's not going to support you libhorizons in anything you do or attempt to do. Trying to preform for him and sharing what work you do in your community is meaningless when he will find some other hill to die on in the next election as he actively tries to sabatoge your efforts in order to help republicans get elected again.
LibHorizons: Obviously not, the linked post in the post your responding to said so. I begrudgingly voted for Harris despite many of her positions, her support for genocide included. If somebody wants to argue that makes me complicit, I can't really disagree.
I understand GH's frustrations and would hope we could find mutual goals to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I also understand your frustrations with GH's refusal to be complicit in genocide and would expect that not to stop you from working to find mutual goals with other libs/Dems/ilk to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit.
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On March 05 2025 00:12 KT_Elwood wrote:Maga makes free speech great again: ![[image loading]](https://i.redd.it/nlmj4htkiome1.jpeg) I mean obviously he has no authority to do all the shit he says, but again.. he wants to, and if the americans keep pretending "it's not so bad" he will get it.
I want my time back for all those discussions with people that pretended to care about free speech, censorship, religious rights, debt, free market, government overreach, crime, the ability to fight a tyrannical government, etc. What a joke of a movement.
Supposedly this is all done in order to protect Western values from being eroded by immigration and wokeism. But there's none of those values left, they speedran into destroying them themselves, and they certainly never held them.
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On March 05 2025 00:17 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 00:12 KT_Elwood wrote:
Maga makes free speech great again:
I mean obviously he has no authority to do all the shit he says, but again.. he wants to, and if the americans keep pretending "it's not so bad" he will get it. Yeah I saw this earlier. Totally not concerning. What even constitutes the ‘illegal’ in ‘illegal protest’ here?
My guess is that he doesn't know what could be meant by that, but he just wants to make people afraid to hold signs in the air.
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On March 05 2025 00:12 KT_Elwood wrote:Maga makes free speech great again: I mean obviously he has no authority to do all the shit he says, but again.. he wants to, and if the americans keep pretending "it's not so bad" he will get it.
What does he mean by "illegal protests"? There are obviously certain circumstances where you can't legally protest (e.g., you can't trespass into my house to protest something on my private property, without my consent), but is he just calling protests that he doesn't like "illegal"?
And what's up with the odd "NO MASKS!" interjection? Is he still trying to spread covid, after all these years?
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On March 05 2025 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 01:05 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 00:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 04 2025 23:57 Sermokala wrote:
Trudeau has already said hes not running in the next election. Trump's tariffs have singlehandedly turned the Canadian political sphere on its head from a conservative majority to a competitive election where the liberals can somehow hold onto power. Trudeau bowed out because his approval rating was 20%. He won't open parliament because it will trigger an election. Trudeau has crippled Canada. The polls in Canada changed substantially right after Trudeau resigned. I'd say the "political sphere" changed more because Trudeau quit than anything Trump has done. Trump has done a lot though. + Show Spoiler +These are things you should take note of from your last post and the questions you asked in it.
What happened right after Trudeau resigned? Its pretty funny to see GH criticize dems/libs for not doing work when him and other socialists can't even get out and vote to stop Trump. Until the day comes when he recognizes that he has agency and is responsible for the consequences of his actions, I'm not going to accept criticism from those that actively help the harm from the right. LibHorzions: I voted for Harris bruh. It's also pretty stupid to let GH's posts prevent you from doing the work we all know needs to be done. I believe you can be better than that. I don't know If I need to be the one to tell you but that means to GH that you're a genocide supporter and actively support what happens in Palestine. He is the one on the moral high ground that told us that Harris didn't need to win and that it wasn't important enough to vote for her to prevent Trump from doing what you are trying to "convince" others to work to prevent. Theres no evidence to support his standards when by his reputation he's not going to support you libhorizons in anything you do or attempt to do. Trying to preform for him and sharing what work you do in your community is meaningless when he will find some other hill to die on in the next election as he actively tries to sabatoge your efforts in order to help republicans get elected again. LibHorizons: Obviously not, the linked post in the post your responding to said so. Show nested quote +I begrudgingly voted for Harris despite many of her positions, her support for genocide included. If somebody wants to argue that makes me complicit, I can't really disagree. I understand GH's frustrations and would hope we could find mutual goals to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I also understand your frustrations with GH's refusal to be complicit in genocide and would expect that not to stop you from working to find mutual goals with other libs/Dems/ilk to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit.
I don't see what mutual goals we can align on accomplishing though. We've seen from GH and his ilk that he's not wiling to compromise or work with a anyone else to find mutual goals. He has shown a vast disregard on approaching any sort of realignment from his side and refuses to show any responsibility for his actions. Community and coalitions are built on trust and he has shown repeatedly he can't be trusted. If he wants to start rebuilding that trust we are going to need to see some effort or evidence from him that he's willing to work with other libs. Agnowedging that you are complicit with genocide and refusing to remove your support after agnowedging that shows you are willing to support genocide.
To put it simply, I can't work with genocide supporters and I'm wondering why you believe GH would do so? From his perspective you Libhorizons are a genocide supporter and by aligning with you that makes him a genocide supporter does it not?
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On March 05 2025 01:35 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 01:05 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 00:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 04 2025 23:57 Sermokala wrote:
Trudeau has already said hes not running in the next election. Trump's tariffs have singlehandedly turned the Canadian political sphere on its head from a conservative majority to a competitive election where the liberals can somehow hold onto power. Trudeau bowed out because his approval rating was 20%. He won't open parliament because it will trigger an election. Trudeau has crippled Canada. The polls in Canada changed substantially right after Trudeau resigned. I'd say the "political sphere" changed more because Trudeau quit than anything Trump has done. Trump has done a lot though. + Show Spoiler +These are things you should take note of from your last post and the questions you asked in it.
What happened right after Trudeau resigned? Its pretty funny to see GH criticize dems/libs for not doing work when him and other socialists can't even get out and vote to stop Trump. Until the day comes when he recognizes that he has agency and is responsible for the consequences of his actions, I'm not going to accept criticism from those that actively help the harm from the right. LibHorzions: I voted for Harris bruh. It's also pretty stupid to let GH's posts prevent you from doing the work we all know needs to be done. I believe you can be better than that. I don't know If I need to be the one to tell you but that means to GH that you're a genocide supporter and actively support what happens in Palestine. He is the one on the moral high ground that told us that Harris didn't need to win and that it wasn't important enough to vote for her to prevent Trump from doing what you are trying to "convince" others to work to prevent. Theres no evidence to support his standards when by his reputation he's not going to support you libhorizons in anything you do or attempt to do. Trying to preform for him and sharing what work you do in your community is meaningless when he will find some other hill to die on in the next election as he actively tries to sabatoge your efforts in order to help republicans get elected again. LibHorizons: Obviously not, the linked post in the post your responding to said so. I begrudgingly voted for Harris despite many of her positions, her support for genocide included. If somebody wants to argue that makes me complicit, I can't really disagree. I understand GH's frustrations and would hope we could find mutual goals to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I also understand your frustrations with GH's refusal to be complicit in genocide and would expect that not to stop you from working to find mutual goals with other libs/Dems/ilk to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I don't see what mutual goals we can align on accomplishing though. We've seen from GH and his ilk that he's not wiling to compromise or work with a anyone else to find mutual goals. + Show Spoiler +He has shown a vast disregard on approaching any sort of realignment from his side and refuses to show any responsibility for his actions. Community and coalitions are built on trust and he has shown repeatedly he can't be trusted. If he wants to start rebuilding that trust we are going to need to see some effort or evidence from him that he's willing to work with other libs. Agnowedging that you are complicit with genocide and refusing to remove your support after agnowedging that shows you are willing to support genocide.
To put it simply, I can't work with genocide supporters and I'm wondering why you believe GH would do so? From his perspective you Libhorizons are a genocide supporter and by aligning with you that makes him a genocide supporter does it not? LibHorizons: Setting your beef with GH aside, we both want Democrats to win the House next year, right?
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the TSX lost 2% of its value in an hour. It is still going down hard. All that money is coming home to the US of by God A.
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Northern Ireland24945 Posts
On March 05 2025 01:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 00:12 KT_Elwood wrote:Maga makes free speech great again: I mean obviously he has no authority to do all the shit he says, but again.. he wants to, and if the americans keep pretending "it's not so bad" he will get it. What does he mean by "illegal protests"? There are obviously certain circumstances where you can't legally protest (e.g., you can't trespass into my house to protest something on my private property, without my consent), but is he just calling protests that he doesn't like "illegal"? And what's up with the odd "NO MASKS!" interjection? Is he still trying to spread covid, after all these years?
I think it’s referring to masks for the purposes of obscuring identity.
But ultimately like I don’t think it matters interrogating the particulars. Dan is 100% correct. It’s people full of shit, being full of shit.
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The talk about Palestinians makes it easier for me to tolerate what is happening to Americans. Americans are not facing genocide or even ethnic cleansing, or at least we could not agree on it. Also, considering the USA has nukes, anything less does not show indent for atrocities. Any talk about such acts is just from a small minority that does not have any power or wide support. Thus, the worries are easy to dismiss. The only issue with how the USA acts is apparent disloyalty to their allies. Europe should otherwise fully support any action taken against people the USA's government views as domestic terrorists. If we can support and believe Israel, I don't see how we would not trust Trump.
It is good to remember that Israelis who support Trump's plan for Gaza had full support from Biden and Harris during the last year while killing tens of thousands. Israel did not change. The USA's government changed. Thus, being surprised or opposed to the proposed ethical cleansing is weird when you were fine with it last year.
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On March 05 2025 01:40 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 01:35 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 01:05 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 00:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 04 2025 23:57 Sermokala wrote:
Trudeau has already said hes not running in the next election. Trump's tariffs have singlehandedly turned the Canadian political sphere on its head from a conservative majority to a competitive election where the liberals can somehow hold onto power. Trudeau bowed out because his approval rating was 20%. He won't open parliament because it will trigger an election. Trudeau has crippled Canada. The polls in Canada changed substantially right after Trudeau resigned. I'd say the "political sphere" changed more because Trudeau quit than anything Trump has done. Trump has done a lot though. + Show Spoiler +These are things you should take note of from your last post and the questions you asked in it.
What happened right after Trudeau resigned? Its pretty funny to see GH criticize dems/libs for not doing work when him and other socialists can't even get out and vote to stop Trump. Until the day comes when he recognizes that he has agency and is responsible for the consequences of his actions, I'm not going to accept criticism from those that actively help the harm from the right. LibHorzions: I voted for Harris bruh. It's also pretty stupid to let GH's posts prevent you from doing the work we all know needs to be done. I believe you can be better than that. I don't know If I need to be the one to tell you but that means to GH that you're a genocide supporter and actively support what happens in Palestine. He is the one on the moral high ground that told us that Harris didn't need to win and that it wasn't important enough to vote for her to prevent Trump from doing what you are trying to "convince" others to work to prevent. Theres no evidence to support his standards when by his reputation he's not going to support you libhorizons in anything you do or attempt to do. Trying to preform for him and sharing what work you do in your community is meaningless when he will find some other hill to die on in the next election as he actively tries to sabatoge your efforts in order to help republicans get elected again. LibHorizons: Obviously not, the linked post in the post your responding to said so. I begrudgingly voted for Harris despite many of her positions, her support for genocide included. If somebody wants to argue that makes me complicit, I can't really disagree. I understand GH's frustrations and would hope we could find mutual goals to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I also understand your frustrations with GH's refusal to be complicit in genocide and would expect that not to stop you from working to find mutual goals with other libs/Dems/ilk to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I don't see what mutual goals we can align on accomplishing though. We've seen from GH and his ilk that he's not wiling to compromise or work with a anyone else to find mutual goals. + Show Spoiler +He has shown a vast disregard on approaching any sort of realignment from his side and refuses to show any responsibility for his actions. Community and coalitions are built on trust and he has shown repeatedly he can't be trusted. If he wants to start rebuilding that trust we are going to need to see some effort or evidence from him that he's willing to work with other libs. Agnowedging that you are complicit with genocide and refusing to remove your support after agnowedging that shows you are willing to support genocide.
To put it simply, I can't work with genocide supporters and I'm wondering why you believe GH would do so? From his perspective you Libhorizons are a genocide supporter and by aligning with you that makes him a genocide supporter does it not? LibHorizons: Setting your beef with GH aside, we both want Democrats to win the House next year, right?
I don't have a Beef with GH I'm asking if you're willing to work with Genocide supporters. If GH believes you are complicit in genocide then him aligning himself with you without movement on that issue from either side means that he supports genocide. Theres no movement from me on creating a community with or a coalition with genocide supporters and If support for the democratic party means support for genocide then I don't support the democratic party and I don't want them to win. Luckily we are both smarter then that and don't support genocide and don't believe that the democratic party supports genocide right?
This is where GH's larping as a Lib gets weird because he either has to agnowedge that he's larping as, what he believes, is a genocide supporter, or he doesn't actually believe that libs support genocide.
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Northern Ireland24945 Posts
On March 05 2025 01:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the TSX lost 2% of its value in an hour. It is still going down hard. All that money is coming home to the US of by God A.
So are other stock markets. Because they’re reacting to a fucking fundamentally stupid idea.
Hey we’ll see how it goes.
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On March 05 2025 01:51 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 01:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 01:35 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 01:05 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 00:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 04 2025 23:57 Sermokala wrote:
Trudeau has already said hes not running in the next election. Trump's tariffs have singlehandedly turned the Canadian political sphere on its head from a conservative majority to a competitive election where the liberals can somehow hold onto power. Trudeau bowed out because his approval rating was 20%. He won't open parliament because it will trigger an election. Trudeau has crippled Canada. The polls in Canada changed substantially right after Trudeau resigned. I'd say the "political sphere" changed more because Trudeau quit than anything Trump has done. Trump has done a lot though. + Show Spoiler +These are things you should take note of from your last post and the questions you asked in it.
What happened right after Trudeau resigned? Its pretty funny to see GH criticize dems/libs for not doing work when him and other socialists can't even get out and vote to stop Trump. Until the day comes when he recognizes that he has agency and is responsible for the consequences of his actions, I'm not going to accept criticism from those that actively help the harm from the right. LibHorzions: I voted for Harris bruh. It's also pretty stupid to let GH's posts prevent you from doing the work we all know needs to be done. I believe you can be better than that. I don't know If I need to be the one to tell you but that means to GH that you're a genocide supporter and actively support what happens in Palestine. He is the one on the moral high ground that told us that Harris didn't need to win and that it wasn't important enough to vote for her to prevent Trump from doing what you are trying to "convince" others to work to prevent. Theres no evidence to support his standards when by his reputation he's not going to support you libhorizons in anything you do or attempt to do. Trying to preform for him and sharing what work you do in your community is meaningless when he will find some other hill to die on in the next election as he actively tries to sabatoge your efforts in order to help republicans get elected again. LibHorizons: Obviously not, the linked post in the post your responding to said so. I begrudgingly voted for Harris despite many of her positions, her support for genocide included. If somebody wants to argue that makes me complicit, I can't really disagree. I understand GH's frustrations and would hope we could find mutual goals to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I also understand your frustrations with GH's refusal to be complicit in genocide and would expect that not to stop you from working to find mutual goals with other libs/Dems/ilk to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I don't see what mutual goals we can align on accomplishing though. We've seen from GH and his ilk that he's not wiling to compromise or work with a anyone else to find mutual goals. + Show Spoiler +He has shown a vast disregard on approaching any sort of realignment from his side and refuses to show any responsibility for his actions. Community and coalitions are built on trust and he has shown repeatedly he can't be trusted. If he wants to start rebuilding that trust we are going to need to see some effort or evidence from him that he's willing to work with other libs. Agnowedging that you are complicit with genocide and refusing to remove your support after agnowedging that shows you are willing to support genocide.
To put it simply, I can't work with genocide supporters and I'm wondering why you believe GH would do so? From his perspective you Libhorizons are a genocide supporter and by aligning with you that makes him a genocide supporter does it not? LibHorizons: Setting your beef with GH aside, we both want Democrats to win the House next year, right? I don't have a Beef with GH I'm asking if you're willing to work with Genocide supporters. If GH believes you are complicit in genocide then him aligning himself with you without movement on that issue from either side means that he supports genocide. Theres no movement from me on creating a community with or a coalition with genocide supporters and If support for the democratic party means support for genocide then I don't support the democratic party and I don't want them to win. Luckily we are both smarter then that and don't support genocide and don't believe that the democratic party supports genocide right?
LibHorizons: That's incoherent and unproductive to me. I'm not interested in whatever point it is you're trying to make about GH.
We both want Democrats to win the House next year, right? A simple yes or no is sufficient. Your opening ideas on how you think we can work toward that would be even better. You could also compare and contrast the ideas I've shared with whatever ones you have kicking around your head.
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On March 05 2025 01:54 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 01:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the TSX lost 2% of its value in an hour. It is still going down hard. All that money is coming home to the US of by God A. So are other stock markets. Because they’re reacting to a fucking fundamentally stupid idea. Hey we’ll see how it goes.
if the idea is 'fundamentally stupid" there is no need to "see how it goes".
i say, Trump is doing his "crazy man" schtick. Keep in mind Linda Mcmahon is his education secretary. Once Canada gets a PM willing to open parliament the negotiations will begin. There is no point in negotiating modifications to the USMCA with a Canadian PM who won't open parliament. LOL.
Trump's end game is to have Canada pay higher tariffs than it has in decades while still giving the USA super easy access to Canada's energy resources. In the end, Canada will have the best access to the American consumer of any nation on earth.
Trump and Trudeau bickered back and forth for 9 years. In the end, Trump crushed Trudeau.
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United States42490 Posts
On March 05 2025 01:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the TSX lost 2% of its value in an hour. It is still going down hard. All that money is coming home to the US of by God A.
No, it’s value being destroyed. Trade makes both sides richer. That’s why they do it. Stopping trade doesn’t have a winner and loser, just losers. But you’d know this if you took a minute to look at the US indices since the trade war shit started and specifically today. It’s not money coming home, it’s a valuation that was predicated on higher levels of profitability getting revised downwards due to sabotage.
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On March 05 2025 02:03 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 01:51 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 01:40 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 01:35 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 01:21 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 01:05 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2025 00:08 Sermokala wrote:On March 05 2025 00:00 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On March 04 2025 23:57 Sermokala wrote:
Trudeau has already said hes not running in the next election. Trump's tariffs have singlehandedly turned the Canadian political sphere on its head from a conservative majority to a competitive election where the liberals can somehow hold onto power. Trudeau bowed out because his approval rating was 20%. He won't open parliament because it will trigger an election. Trudeau has crippled Canada. The polls in Canada changed substantially right after Trudeau resigned. I'd say the "political sphere" changed more because Trudeau quit than anything Trump has done. Trump has done a lot though. + Show Spoiler +These are things you should take note of from your last post and the questions you asked in it.
What happened right after Trudeau resigned? Its pretty funny to see GH criticize dems/libs for not doing work when him and other socialists can't even get out and vote to stop Trump. Until the day comes when he recognizes that he has agency and is responsible for the consequences of his actions, I'm not going to accept criticism from those that actively help the harm from the right. LibHorzions: I voted for Harris bruh. It's also pretty stupid to let GH's posts prevent you from doing the work we all know needs to be done. I believe you can be better than that. I don't know If I need to be the one to tell you but that means to GH that you're a genocide supporter and actively support what happens in Palestine. He is the one on the moral high ground that told us that Harris didn't need to win and that it wasn't important enough to vote for her to prevent Trump from doing what you are trying to "convince" others to work to prevent. Theres no evidence to support his standards when by his reputation he's not going to support you libhorizons in anything you do or attempt to do. Trying to preform for him and sharing what work you do in your community is meaningless when he will find some other hill to die on in the next election as he actively tries to sabatoge your efforts in order to help republicans get elected again. LibHorizons: Obviously not, the linked post in the post your responding to said so. I begrudgingly voted for Harris despite many of her positions, her support for genocide included. If somebody wants to argue that makes me complicit, I can't really disagree. I understand GH's frustrations and would hope we could find mutual goals to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I also understand your frustrations with GH's refusal to be complicit in genocide and would expect that not to stop you from working to find mutual goals with other libs/Dems/ilk to align on accomplishing for our shared benefit. I don't see what mutual goals we can align on accomplishing though. We've seen from GH and his ilk that he's not wiling to compromise or work with a anyone else to find mutual goals. + Show Spoiler +He has shown a vast disregard on approaching any sort of realignment from his side and refuses to show any responsibility for his actions. Community and coalitions are built on trust and he has shown repeatedly he can't be trusted. If he wants to start rebuilding that trust we are going to need to see some effort or evidence from him that he's willing to work with other libs. Agnowedging that you are complicit with genocide and refusing to remove your support after agnowedging that shows you are willing to support genocide.
To put it simply, I can't work with genocide supporters and I'm wondering why you believe GH would do so? From his perspective you Libhorizons are a genocide supporter and by aligning with you that makes him a genocide supporter does it not? LibHorizons: Setting your beef with GH aside, we both want Democrats to win the House next year, right? I don't have a Beef with GH I'm asking if you're willing to work with Genocide supporters. If GH believes you are complicit in genocide then him aligning himself with you without movement on that issue from either side means that he supports genocide. Theres no movement from me on creating a community with or a coalition with genocide supporters and If support for the democratic party means support for genocide then I don't support the democratic party and I don't want them to win. Luckily we are both smarter then that and don't support genocide and don't believe that the democratic party supports genocide right? LibHorizons: That's incoherent and unproductive to me. I'm not interested in whatever point it is you're trying to make about GH. We both want Democrats to win the House next year, right? A simple yes or no is sufficient. Your opening ideas on how you think we can work toward that would be even better. You could also compare and contrast the ideas I've shared with whatever ones you have kicking around your head.
My point isn't about GH my point is about you and the question you're asking me. You want to work to form a community with others and share interests, and align with them to help democrats win the house next year. I need to clarify with you what that means, and if that means support for genocide or not.
Libhorizons: Are you willing to work with genocide supporters? I can't work towards forming a community with or a coalition with genocide supporters and if your question to me is if I want a party that supports genocide to win the answer is no. I don't believe that the democratic party is a party that supports genocide but you need to first understand that the people GH represents believe that you support genocide, and regardless if you believe that or not you need to reconcile that their support with you will mean in their opinion, that they are supporting genocide.
To assume good faith with GH in his attempts to form a coalition and community with dems/libs/ilk means to assume in good faith that he now either supports genocide or that he doesn't believe that libs/dems/ilk supports genocide.
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Canada11347 Posts
On March 05 2025 01:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 00:12 KT_Elwood wrote:Maga makes free speech great again: I mean obviously he has no authority to do all the shit he says, but again.. he wants to, and if the americans keep pretending "it's not so bad" he will get it. What does he mean by "illegal protests"? There are obviously certain circumstances where you can't legally protest (e.g., you can't trespass into my house to protest something on my private property, without my consent), but is he just calling protests that he doesn't like "illegal"? And what's up with the odd "NO MASKS!" interjection? Is he still trying to spread covid, after all these years?
Nah. My guess is this the masks is a callback to antifa/ the black block protests. Although I don't know how often antifa was on campuses as I mostly remember them on the streets. I would guess one would be more likely to see the Palestinian scarf that perhaps could be used a protestor's identity- does that count as a mask?
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Northern Ireland24945 Posts
On March 05 2025 02:04 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2025 01:54 WombaT wrote:On March 05 2025 01:42 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the TSX lost 2% of its value in an hour. It is still going down hard. All that money is coming home to the US of by God A. So are other stock markets. Because they’re reacting to a fucking fundamentally stupid idea. Hey we’ll see how it goes. if the idea is 'fundamentally stupid" there is no need to "see how it goes". i say, Trump is doing his "crazy man" schtick. Keep in mind Linda Mcmahon is his education secretary. Once Canada gets a PM willing to open parliament the negotiations will begin. There is no point in negotiating modifications to the USMCA with a Canadian PM who won't open parliament. LOL. Trump's end game is to have Canada pay higher tariffs than it has in decades while still giving the USA super easy access to Canada's energy resources. In the end, Canada will have the best access to the American consumer of any nation on earth. Trump and Trudeau bickered back and forth for 9 years. In the end, Trump crushed Trudeau.
It’s fundamentally stupid. If it somehow works out, then I shall take the L. That’s what ‘see how it goes’ means in this context.
It’s not a shtick. He’s just a fucking idiot.
This begs the question, why begin playing negotiation hardball if you’ve no Parliament and a shortly outgoing, lame duck leader?
More Trump genius or what?
If that’s his end goal, how does pissing off Canada and driving up anti-US sentiment, in a period where as you say Canada can’t even negotiate properly, sensible?
So you can properly hit the negotiation table amid a backdrop of ‘fuck the US, don’t bend to these cunts’ sentiment that’s had weeks/months to build up?
Genius, true genius.
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