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On December 25 2024 00:20 WombaT wrote:
There’s a misconception that the wider left is particularly soft on crime, many are perfectly happy with some punitive measures. Just not jailing every small time petty criminal as the US system seems to love doing.
I think the wider left is unwilling to spend the money required to be "hard on crime". I the world of theories they're "ok" with it. The actions of left wing legislators speak louder than their words.
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On December 25 2024 01:27 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 01:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 25 2024 00:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 24 2024 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 24 2024 23:26 Magic Powers wrote:A few Trump lies during the pandemic: - Covid is 99% harmless - Only 6% of people (those who got infected) died from Covid - Children are almost immune - If we stopped testing, there wouldn't be cases - US Covid numbers better than most of the world - Hydroxychloroquine is effective against Covid - Mentioned using disinfect and sunlight to treat Covid - The tests are broken - and plenty more https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/sep/27/10-donald-trumps-big-falsehoods-about-covid-19/Also, if you say that "most of the stuff said about Covid" was "bullshit", then you should consider not reading any right-wing news sources for the rest of your life. Because these were the ones spreading most of the bullshit. 1) yes it is 2) that's a lie 3) lie 4) lie 5) no idea, maybe a lie(?) 6) lie 7) lie 8) most likely 9 That's not "most of the stuff said about covid" tbh. (1) was told otherwise to us, while untrue. Same as (2). Covid was entirely harmless to anyone outside the risk groups. I am not saying it was harmless to the risk groups, i am saying it was told to us it is deadly fucking shit to all of the people if we dont stay at home and pray.  To be clear, you just stated that someone told you that covid was deadly to everyone. Who is this someone, who supposedly said covid had a 100% (or near-100%) death rate if infected? I will happily disagree with them, as that was certainly not the position of the scientific and medical communities, nor the Democratic and Republican parties. I assume the "and pray" ending was just your personal addition, since obviously that's a whole other ridiculous issue. Idk. if "you just stated that someone told you that covid was deadly to everyone. Who is this someone, who supposedly said covid had a 100% (or near-100%) death rate if infected?" idk how i did? I dont know, as i didnt? What did i do? I bolded it. Stop making claims that you can't support. Saying "idk" isn't good enough. Just think before you post absurd statements like "i am saying it was told to us it is deadly fucking shit to all of the people if we dont stay at home and pray". Or at least come prepared with a source/citation. As you can see, many people will happily call you out on such nonsense.
Good, you will.
I do not mind.
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On December 25 2024 00:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 00:25 Sadist wrote:
Im left wing and Im all for the death penalty in cases where the person 100% did it. Mass shooters, Dylan Roof for example, dont belong on this planet. The cops should have never even taken him into custody and just ended it there. I disagree with the death penalty because you are communicating to the populace that life is not precious. I am very happy the Toronto Van killer from 2018 was taken into custody. He killed 10 and badly injured 15. I think the cop who had a chance to kill him and did not kill him is a hero. Alek Minassian, the van killer, said he wanted to die that day. He can now be examined, analyzed and studied. Canadian society has the opportunity to learn how to produce fewer Alek Minassians and Marc Lepines. If you kill these people then you never get their side of the story. Karla Homolka is a serial murderer. She now lives a productive family life. Her punishment and rehab path was much less expensive than an execution.
Maybe in Canada you have not had the chance to study these types of killers but in the US there has been ample time. I dont believe there is anything more to study, it keeps happening. By now we either know the solution and its untenable for x,y,z (elimination of access to firearms, more public health funding, whatever) or there is no solution and we are wasting our time.
I looked this Karla lady and gave her a quick read. Sounds like there is some debate as she was possibly an unwilling accomplice. Thats more of a grey area to me. If you are a serial murderer you deserve to go unless you are on your Dexter shit or something.
Btw, i think we communicate life is not precious by how we treat other humans, animals, and the environment. Executing dead to rights killers has no material impact on society when compared to how we otherwise live.
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On December 25 2024 01:38 Sadist wrote:
I looked this Karla lady and gave her a quick read. Sounds like there is some debate as she was possibly an unwilling accomplice. Thats more of a grey area to me. If you are a serial murderer you deserve to go unless you are on your Dexter shit or something.
some debate? no. She is a serial murderer. There is no grey. She lured and murdered her sister. If anything she was the brains of the operation. Her husband was the Scarborough Rapist and she knew it. The cops fucked up with lab results and let the scarborough rapist free.
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On December 25 2024 01:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 01:38 Sadist wrote:
I looked this Karla lady and gave her a quick read. Sounds like there is some debate as she was possibly an unwilling accomplice. Thats more of a grey area to me. If you are a serial murderer you deserve to go unless you are on your Dexter shit or something.
some debate? no. She is a serial murderer. There is no grey. She lured and murdered her sister.
Happy hoildays <3
lol
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On December 25 2024 01:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 01:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 25 2024 01:38 Sadist wrote:
I looked this Karla lady and gave her a quick read. Sounds like there is some debate as she was possibly an unwilling accomplice. Thats more of a grey area to me. If you are a serial murderer you deserve to go unless you are on your Dexter shit or something.
some debate? no. She is a serial murderer. There is no grey. She lured and murdered her sister. Happy hoildays <3 lol
Happy Festivus! Bernardo woulda gotten caught a lot sooner without Karla's help.
For the record my top 3 serial murders are:
1. Ted Bundy
2. Aileen Wournos
3. Karla Homolka
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On December 25 2024 01:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 01:38 Sadist wrote:
I looked this Karla lady and gave her a quick read. Sounds like there is some debate as she was possibly an unwilling accomplice. Thats more of a grey area to me. If you are a serial murderer you deserve to go unless you are on your Dexter shit or something.
some debate? no. She is a serial murderer. There is no grey. She lured and murdered her sister. If anything she was the brains of the operation. Her husband was the Scarborough Rapist and she knew it. The cops fucked up with lab results and let the scarborough rapist free.
If its that obvious then no I am not ok with her living "her best life". Rehabilitation stops when you take life or cripple someone to me.
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On December 25 2024 01:44 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 01:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 25 2024 01:38 Sadist wrote:
I looked this Karla lady and gave her a quick read. Sounds like there is some debate as she was possibly an unwilling accomplice. Thats more of a grey area to me. If you are a serial murderer you deserve to go unless you are on your Dexter shit or something.
some debate? no. She is a serial murderer. There is no grey. She lured and murdered her sister. If anything she was the brains of the operation. Her husband was the Scarborough Rapist and she knew it. The cops fucked up with lab results and let the scarborough rapist free. If its that obvious then no I am not ok with her living "her best life". Rehabilitation stops when you take life or cripple someone to me.
emotionally, i agree with you.. i'd prefer she were dead. intellectually, her release saved the average canadian tax payer a lot of money.
Along with the likes of Bundy, Wournos, etc She is also a fascinating case study.
Ted Bundy is a genius.
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On December 25 2024 01:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 01:44 Sadist wrote:On December 25 2024 01:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 25 2024 01:38 Sadist wrote:
I looked this Karla lady and gave her a quick read. Sounds like there is some debate as she was possibly an unwilling accomplice. Thats more of a grey area to me. If you are a serial murderer you deserve to go unless you are on your Dexter shit or something.
some debate? no. She is a serial murderer. There is no grey. She lured and murdered her sister. If anything she was the brains of the operation. Her husband was the Scarborough Rapist and she knew it. The cops fucked up with lab results and let the scarborough rapist free. If its that obvious then no I am not ok with her living "her best life". Rehabilitation stops when you take life or cripple someone to me. emotionally, i agree with you.. i'd prefer she were dead. intellectually, her release saved the average canadian tax payer a lot of money. Along with the likes of Bundy, Wournos, etc She is also a fascinating case study. Ted Bundy is a genius.
Ted Bundy was not a genius. He wasn’t a dummy either but come on
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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On December 25 2024 01:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 00:20 WombaT wrote:
There’s a misconception that the wider left is particularly soft on crime, many are perfectly happy with some punitive measures. Just not jailing every small time petty criminal as the US system seems to love doing. I think the wider left is unwilling to spend the money required to be "hard on crime". I the world of theories they're "ok" with it. The actions of left wing legislators speak louder than their words.
What left wing legislators?
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On December 25 2024 01:51 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 01:46 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 25 2024 01:44 Sadist wrote:On December 25 2024 01:41 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 25 2024 01:38 Sadist wrote:
I looked this Karla lady and gave her a quick read. Sounds like there is some debate as she was possibly an unwilling accomplice. Thats more of a grey area to me. If you are a serial murderer you deserve to go unless you are on your Dexter shit or something.
some debate? no. She is a serial murderer. There is no grey. She lured and murdered her sister. If anything she was the brains of the operation. Her husband was the Scarborough Rapist and she knew it. The cops fucked up with lab results and let the scarborough rapist free. If its that obvious then no I am not ok with her living "her best life". Rehabilitation stops when you take life or cripple someone to me. emotionally, i agree with you.. i'd prefer she were dead. intellectually, her release saved the average canadian tax payer a lot of money. Along with the likes of Bundy, Wournos, etc She is also a fascinating case study. Ted Bundy is a genius. Ted Bundy was not a genius. He wasn’t a dummy either but come on
the judge said he would've been a great lawyer. the way he played with religious right to get an easier time in jail was brilliant. he blamed his murderous ways on progressively more intense pornographic. some members of the religious right bought his calculated bs reasoning. Bundy fooled some very smart people.
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United States44440 Posts
On December 25 2024 00:25 Sadist wrote:
Im left wing and Im all for the death penalty in cases where the person 100% did it. Mass shooters, Dylan Roof for example, dont belong on this planet. The cops should have never even taken him into custody and just ended it there.
That is not their right. You don’t want cops to have permission to sentence people to death.
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On December 25 2024 01:56 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 01:37 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 25 2024 00:20 WombaT wrote:
There’s a misconception that the wider left is particularly soft on crime, many are perfectly happy with some punitive measures. Just not jailing every small time petty criminal as the US system seems to love doing. I think the wider left is unwilling to spend the money required to be "hard on crime". I the world of theories they're "ok" with it. The actions of left wing legislators speak louder than their words. What left wing legislators?
The Jean Chretien era legislators claimed they'd get tougher on crime by shelving the "Young Offenders Act". When it came time to actually enacting real change the "Youth Justice Act" ended up being the same damn thing.
This is just one example, I can find all kinds of tough talk by left wingers like Mayor Eric Adams and it ends as soon as money must be spent. it is a common pattern.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/03/us-news/crime-was-in-fact-up-year-as-mayor-adams-tries-to-downplay-disorder/
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On December 25 2024 01:58 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 00:25 Sadist wrote:
Im left wing and Im all for the death penalty in cases where the person 100% did it. Mass shooters, Dylan Roof for example, dont belong on this planet. The cops should have never even taken him into custody and just ended it there. That is not their right. You don’t want cops to have permission to sentence people to death.
I think getting shot is the easy way out. I'd rather them be caught and locked away until death. On that happy note.
Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates that and happy holidays to the rest. See you next year!
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On December 25 2024 01:58 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 00:25 Sadist wrote:
Im left wing and Im all for the death penalty in cases where the person 100% did it. Mass shooters, Dylan Roof for example, dont belong on this planet. The cops should have never even taken him into custody and just ended it there. That is not their right. You don’t want cops to have permission to sentence people to death.
I do if its Dylan Roof
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On December 25 2024 02:05 Billyboy wrote:
Merry Christmas to everyone who celebrates that and happy holidays to the rest. See you next year!
Merry Christmas to everyone too <3
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On December 25 2024 02:06 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2024 01:58 KwarK wrote:On December 25 2024 00:25 Sadist wrote:
Im left wing and Im all for the death penalty in cases where the person 100% did it. Mass shooters, Dylan Roof for example, dont belong on this planet. The cops should have never even taken him into custody and just ended it there. That is not their right. You don’t want cops to have permission to sentence people to death. I do if its Dylan Roof
I wouldn't shed any tears if this happened to happen in Dylan Roof's case, but to Kwark's point you don't want to give cops that power because some will use it on more than just Dylan Roof types, with the potential for an accident too (the guy who looks a lot like Dylan Roof but unluckily came around a corner at the wrong moment).
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What i am going to do is to watch the two xmas movies of Die Hard 1 and Die Hard 2 right now.
I suggest we all fuck off of our disagreements, and watch a Christmas movie
Merry Christmas to all of you!
Jippikaiyaymotherfuckers!
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On December 24 2024 23:43 Ryzel wrote:
Introvert, why do you care so much about how “the left” thinks they’re more moral / principled than you?
1) It makes having a conversation easier and potentially more productive.
2) A mismatch in perception leads to things like "we never fight, we always give up, so instead what is required is to now do [insert radical thing here]." I think just generally that having a view contrary to how things actually are is bad and makes everything else more difficult. It can also lead to bad things, or cheering bad things, like we see here.
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On December 25 2024 02:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:What i am going to do is to watch the two xmas movies of Die Hard 1 and Die Hard 2 right now. I suggest we all fuck off of our disagreements, and watch a Christmas movie Merry Christmas to all of you! Jippikaiyaymotherfuckers!
I like the sentiment but I'm gonna have some julmust and just chill on the sofa.
4 yo went hard today. And yes, we lied about santa and she loved it. Couldn't recognize grandma lol. 😀
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