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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-05 18:51:48
November 05 2024 18:50 GMT
#90301
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10569 Posts
November 05 2024 18:56 GMT
#90302
Imagine talking about policy the day of the election. The only real thing to do today is doom scroll and wait for my way too overly confidence but still somehow correct early calls on states before the mainstream media makes their calls.
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TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
November 05 2024 19:01 GMT
#90303
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
November 05 2024 19:05 GMT
#90304
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten


That's not a nice thing to say, but good day to you sir. Please vote Harris and bring a towel to clean up your vomit afterwards.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-05 19:06:45
November 05 2024 19:06 GMT
#90305
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten

People aren't bullying you by asking you to substantiate your claims and opinions. If you don't have the energy to do more than just drop in and do a drive-by post, that doesn't make people bullies when they have a few questions. Bye though!
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
November 05 2024 19:06 GMT
#90306
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten

I hear the weather on Mohdoo island is quite nice this time of year.

For what it’s worth, you earlier asked for specifics regarding who Trump has threatened. He wants to be able to fire at will government employees like myself who don’t do what he wants. That makes it a particularly easy call on my part.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46508 Posts
November 05 2024 19:07 GMT
#90307
On November 06 2024 03:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
Pre-polls closing news:

It looks like turnout is going to be very strong this election, notably in swing states like PA and MI so far.

Iowa's early vote also showing some very strong early vote, as well as women +10 over men in that department (55-45), which actually is very on par with Selzer's poll. Things to come, but so far things are looking reasonably good for Democrats. Way too early to call anything though, but these are my early findings. Still a long way to go before polls close. Stay tuned. I plan to go live on Twitch around 7:30pm ET if anyone is going to be following.


Given that a strong voter turnout might not be the Democratic advantage that it once was, one of the only data points I'm letting even partially influence my prediction is if significantly more women vote than men in the swing states, since sex does seem to be pretty decently correlated with preference for a candidate (most women = Harris, most men = Trump).
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27463 Posts
November 05 2024 19:07 GMT
#90308
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten

Alternatively idk you could make some coherent points?

Like you sauntered in, I didn’t even really understand what your overarching point was other than ‘people are mean to Trump’ and fucked off immediately after with a bit of pushback.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
November 05 2024 19:08 GMT
#90309
Apparently yesterday Kamala Harris stated very clearly that she's going to do everything she can to end the war in Gaza. Why didn't she say this much sooner? I'm so confused. Well, lets hope it'll change someone's mind.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/harris-says-she-will-do-everything-in-her-power-to-stop-war-in-gaza-223458373618
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10569 Posts
November 05 2024 19:08 GMT
#90310
On November 06 2024 04:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 03:50 FlaShFTW wrote:
Pre-polls closing news:

It looks like turnout is going to be very strong this election, notably in swing states like PA and MI so far.

Iowa's early vote also showing some very strong early vote, as well as women +10 over men in that department (55-45), which actually is very on par with Selzer's poll. Things to come, but so far things are looking reasonably good for Democrats. Way too early to call anything though, but these are my early findings. Still a long way to go before polls close. Stay tuned. I plan to go live on Twitch around 7:30pm ET if anyone is going to be following.


Given that a strong voter turnout might not be the Democratic advantage that it once was, one of the only data points I'm letting even partially influence my prediction is if significantly more women vote than men in the swing states, since sex does seem to be pretty decently correlated with preference for a candidate (most women = Harris, most men = Trump).

This is true, the turnout favoring dems has diminished in recent times, but it really comes down to an enthusiasm concept where we just need to see which side is coming out with more enthusiasm to the polls. My hunch is that Dems are quite energetic especially with a youthful and exuberant candidate who has done wonders for her image this cycle, along with what appears to be America's uncle in Walz. Again, time will tell and I can't wait to see the first results come out.
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46508 Posts
November 05 2024 19:10 GMT
#90311
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten


Most people here aren't asking you to leave; we're just asking you to justify why you voted for Stein, why you think Trump's first and potentially second presidency aren't big deals, and why you think Trump is a decent man who is being treated unfairly by Democrats. These are all statements and opinions that you offered, unprompted.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
November 05 2024 19:11 GMT
#90312
On November 06 2024 04:07 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten

Alternatively idk you could make some coherent points?

Like you sauntered in, I didn’t even really understand what your overarching point was other than ‘people are mean to Trump’ and fucked off immediately after with a bit of pushback.


Actually, this (below) is what I sauntered in with. The fact we are at the point y'all upset me enough to leave is no mystery - you guys are actually bullies. I should have stuck to my word and done a better job tuning out politics for the day while emotions are heightened
------------------------------------------------------
Voted for Stein in PA this morning. Very simple message for y'all. People can vote for who they want, and have their own theory of change that's different from yours. To both sides, it's not the end of the world regardless of the outcome. Turning off all news for the day and doing some work now <3
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46508 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-05 19:14:23
November 05 2024 19:11 GMT
#90313
On November 06 2024 04:08 Magic Powers wrote:
Apparently yesterday Kamala Harris stated very clearly that she's going to do everything she can to end the war in Gaza. Why didn't she say this much sooner? I'm so confused. Well, lets hope it'll change someone's mind.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/harris-says-she-will-do-everything-in-her-power-to-stop-war-in-gaza-223458373618


She's said that before too.

Then Republicans responded with nonsense like "Why don't you end the war right now, since you're vice president!?"
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-05 19:12:15
November 05 2024 19:11 GMT
#90314
On November 06 2024 04:06 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten

I hear the weather on Mohdoo island is quite nice this time of year.

For what it’s worth, you earlier asked for specifics regarding who Trump has threatened. He wants to be able to fire at will government employees like myself who don’t do what he wants. That makes it a particularly easy call on my part.

That part of P25 will probably have a knock-on effect on my employment as well, since the majority of my company's work is either as a prime or sub-contractor for government orgs right now. I could lose my job because we work for talented people who don't want to just be yes-people for Trump and we lose a large chunk of our business.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
r00ty
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1090 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-05 19:13:59
November 05 2024 19:13 GMT
#90315
On November 06 2024 03:56 FlaShFTW wrote:
Imagine talking about policy the day of the election. The only real thing to do today is doom scroll and wait for my way too overly confidence but still somehow correct early calls on states before the mainstream media makes their calls.

Looking forward to it. Godspeed.
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10569 Posts
November 05 2024 19:14 GMT
#90316
On November 06 2024 04:11 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 04:07 WombaT wrote:
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten

Alternatively idk you could make some coherent points?

Like you sauntered in, I didn’t even really understand what your overarching point was other than ‘people are mean to Trump’ and fucked off immediately after with a bit of pushback.


Actually, this (below) is what I sauntered in with. The fact we are at the point y'all upset me enough to leave is no mystery - you guys are actually bullies. I should have stuck to my word and done a better job tuning out politics for the day while emotions are heightened
------------------------------------------------------
Voted for Stein in PA this morning. Very simple message for y'all. People can vote for who they want, and have their own theory of change that's different from yours. To both sides, it's not the end of the world regardless of the outcome. Turning off all news for the day and doing some work now <3

You sure showed us!
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
November 05 2024 19:19 GMT
#90317
On November 06 2024 04:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten


Most people here aren't asking you to leave; we're just asking you to justify why you voted for Stein, why you think Trump's first and potentially second presidency aren't big deals, and why you think Trump is a decent man who is being treated unfairly by Democrats. These are all statements and opinions that you offered, unprompted.


I believe I did address a lot of those points. I did not address one, which you unburied from months ago, for many reasons. I did not write a long essay, but I definitely engaged in some explaining, and it's fine if I am disagreed with. I don't agree that y'all getting nasty toward me and deciding I'm arguing in bad faith when I'm not was warranted in either case. Honestly was a little hurtful because I was arguing in GOOD faith. Goodbye, I won't be back and I hope others don't stumble across this wasteland of aggressive and combatant bullies
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-05 19:20:26
November 05 2024 19:19 GMT
#90318
On November 06 2024 04:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 04:08 Magic Powers wrote:
Apparently yesterday Kamala Harris stated very clearly that she's going to do everything she can to end the war in Gaza. Why didn't she say this much sooner? I'm so confused. Well, lets hope it'll change someone's mind.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/harris-says-she-will-do-everything-in-her-power-to-stop-war-in-gaza-223458373618


She's said that before too.

Then Republicans responded with nonsense like "Why don't you end the war right now, since you're vice president!?"


If she said it before, then why hasn't Biden done something yet? He hasn't made true on his most recent threat regarding aid trucks. Israel has failed to deliver and Biden is silent. Harris also appears to be silent. I'm confused.
When was the first or last time Harris said she's going to do her best to end the war?
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46508 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-11-05 19:21:20
November 05 2024 19:20 GMT
#90319
On November 06 2024 04:19 TentativePanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 04:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 06 2024 04:01 TentativePanda wrote:
On November 06 2024 03:50 Mohdoo wrote:
Guys we're all like 35+ at this point and all of these weird straw mans and whatnot should be way more obvious to you. You've all been in this thread for like 15 years. Someone flying in and making a bunch of bad faith arguments and disrupting the thread every 2 years is just business as usual. They are not well-intended. Its literally the same every time.


Okay, I'll leave. Enjoy bullying the stragglers who walk in because you disagree with them, gaslighting them that THEY are in bad faith simply because you disagree with them. You're absolutely rotten


Most people here aren't asking you to leave; we're just asking you to justify why you voted for Stein, why you think Trump's first and potentially second presidency aren't big deals, and why you think Trump is a decent man who is being treated unfairly by Democrats. These are all statements and opinions that you offered, unprompted.


I believe I did address a lot of those points. I did not address one, which you unburied from months ago, for many reasons. I did not write a long essay, but I definitely engaged in some explaining, and it's fine if I am disagreed with. I don't agree that y'all getting nasty toward me and deciding I'm arguing in bad faith when I'm not was warranted in either case. Honestly was a little hurtful because I was arguing in GOOD faith. Goodbye, I won't be back and I hope others don't stumble across this wasteland of aggressive and combatant bullies


GH unburied it, not me. But I wish you well, despite our political disagreements.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46508 Posts
November 05 2024 19:29 GMT
#90320
On November 06 2024 04:19 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2024 04:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On November 06 2024 04:08 Magic Powers wrote:
Apparently yesterday Kamala Harris stated very clearly that she's going to do everything she can to end the war in Gaza. Why didn't she say this much sooner? I'm so confused. Well, lets hope it'll change someone's mind.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/harris-says-she-will-do-everything-in-her-power-to-stop-war-in-gaza-223458373618


She's said that before too.

Then Republicans responded with nonsense like "Why don't you end the war right now, since you're vice president!?"


If she said it before, then why hasn't Biden done something yet? He hasn't made true on his most recent threat regarding aid trucks. Israel has failed to deliver and Biden is silent. Harris also appears to be silent. I'm confused.
When was the first or last time Harris said she's going to do her best to end the war?


That's a non sequitur. Just because Kamala Harris says something doesn't mean Joe Biden is going to do something.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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