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On October 23 2024 09:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 09:10 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Please explain exactly what part of the wardrobe is inappropriate, because all the pictures in that article show that teacher fully clothed. If you're saying that a person with large breasts is inappropriate because they have large breasts, then I disagree with you. If you're saying that wearing fake breasts just for a gag is inappropriate, then I agree with you (but there doesn't seem to be verification that that's actually happened with this person... the article seems inconclusive about a lot of things). So please be specific with what your issue is. This was a very long conversation I am walking into, so forgive my ignorance here. Are you saying Kayla Lemieux should be allowed to teach at a school while wearing these prosthetic breasts? I think someone can say the wardrobe is fine, and that women with very large breasts shouldn't be disallowed from being teachers, while also easily saying the situation with Kayla Lemieux is clearly not appropriate for teaching. I literally have no idea who Kayla Lemieux is, outside of the one New York Post article that was cited. If Kayla is actually a guy who simply stuffs his shirt with fake breasts before school every day, just to troll whoever, then I have no idea what his deal is. If Kayla is actually a woman with real, really large breasts, and if this article is just plain wrong about some of its claims, then I don't think it makes sense to hate on this woman. (I'm just walking into this conversation too lol.)
I suppose what I am saying is: Based on this new york post link, I am not concerned with whether or not she truly is trans or truly identifies with the prosthetic breasts. Those breasts are clearly not real and she should clearly not be allowed to teach like that.
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So being tolerant to trans people leaves you vulnerable to trolling, and the proposed solution isn't to be harsher against trolls, but to be harsher against trans people. That is some pants on head logic.
I guess it's about the same level as claiming miniskirts are the reason women get raped, not, you know, rapists.
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On October 23 2024 09:46 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 09:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:10 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Please explain exactly what part of the wardrobe is inappropriate, because all the pictures in that article show that teacher fully clothed. If you're saying that a person with large breasts is inappropriate because they have large breasts, then I disagree with you. If you're saying that wearing fake breasts just for a gag is inappropriate, then I agree with you (but there doesn't seem to be verification that that's actually happened with this person... the article seems inconclusive about a lot of things). So please be specific with what your issue is. This was a very long conversation I am walking into, so forgive my ignorance here. Are you saying Kayla Lemieux should be allowed to teach at a school while wearing these prosthetic breasts? I think someone can say the wardrobe is fine, and that women with very large breasts shouldn't be disallowed from being teachers, while also easily saying the situation with Kayla Lemieux is clearly not appropriate for teaching. I literally have no idea who Kayla Lemieux is, outside of the one New York Post article that was cited. If Kayla is actually a guy who simply stuffs his shirt with fake breasts before school every day, just to troll whoever, then I have no idea what his deal is. If Kayla is actually a woman with real, really large breasts, and if this article is just plain wrong about some of its claims, then I don't think it makes sense to hate on this woman. (I'm just walking into this conversation too lol.) I suppose what I am saying is: Based on this new york post link, I am not concerned with whether or not she truly is trans or truly identifies with the prosthetic breasts. Those breasts are clearly not real and she should clearly not be allowed to teach like that.
Assuming the NYP article is accurate about those breasts being fake and basically just a prop, then yeah I agree with you. Kayla Lemieux claims to have gigantomastia but also admits to have never gone to the doctor to get an official diagnosis. No idea if Kayla is truthful or lying, and I don't know anything about this case outside of the NYP article.
For what it's worth, there are women with that rare medical condition, and they can have breasts as ludicrously large as the ones that Kayla Lemieux supposedly has (Google Image "gigantomastia" if you'd like... it's obviously NSFW). If that were the case - a teacher who sincerely has gigantomastia and has a chest as large as Kayla Lemieux's - then I'd care most about whether or not she was still an effective teacher despite her medical condition.
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On October 23 2024 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 09:46 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:10 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Please explain exactly what part of the wardrobe is inappropriate, because all the pictures in that article show that teacher fully clothed. If you're saying that a person with large breasts is inappropriate because they have large breasts, then I disagree with you. If you're saying that wearing fake breasts just for a gag is inappropriate, then I agree with you (but there doesn't seem to be verification that that's actually happened with this person... the article seems inconclusive about a lot of things). So please be specific with what your issue is. This was a very long conversation I am walking into, so forgive my ignorance here. Are you saying Kayla Lemieux should be allowed to teach at a school while wearing these prosthetic breasts? I think someone can say the wardrobe is fine, and that women with very large breasts shouldn't be disallowed from being teachers, while also easily saying the situation with Kayla Lemieux is clearly not appropriate for teaching. I literally have no idea who Kayla Lemieux is, outside of the one New York Post article that was cited. If Kayla is actually a guy who simply stuffs his shirt with fake breasts before school every day, just to troll whoever, then I have no idea what his deal is. If Kayla is actually a woman with real, really large breasts, and if this article is just plain wrong about some of its claims, then I don't think it makes sense to hate on this woman. (I'm just walking into this conversation too lol.) I suppose what I am saying is: Based on this new york post link, I am not concerned with whether or not she truly is trans or truly identifies with the prosthetic breasts. Those breasts are clearly not real and she should clearly not be allowed to teach like that. Assuming the NYP article is accurate about those breasts being fake and basically just a prop, then yeah I agree with you.
Oh great so we agree they shouldnt be allowed to wear these giant fake bazookas. So I guess my criticism of the school board that allowed this is totally valid and not just an “attack on trans people.” We just needed it to come through Mohdoo’s keyboard.
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A troll exploiting a loophole in the tolerance aspect of the social contract doesn't prove that the board is too tolerant... The only thing this proves is that a troll found a loophole. Trolls are exceptional cases. Thus an exception will be made. The rules of the social contract do not require adjustment. Only the troll requires disciplinary action. That's all.
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On October 23 2024 09:12 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 08:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 07:43 RenSC2 wrote:On October 23 2024 07:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 07:20 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 06:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 06:27 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 05:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 05:04 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 04:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
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Nice try though! That's what you get for tying your wagon to this other anti-trans person. I don't even know what your point is. Quoting a post I made followed by some unrelated post dogmeat made about tampons as if to say "aha! got you!" okay... Usually you don't admit things like this, but I think you just accidentally gave away the ball game. Your excuse that you're simply "attacking the ideology of the school board" is indeed unrelated to what you and DogMeat were talking about from the start, with the anti-trans rhetoric. Still not sure why you lied about what DogMeat actually said though. Anyways, please post a source or two about the cis-teacher who pretended to be trans, that you've been using as ammunition to attack the trans community school boards (  ) . It would be nice to get fuller context. Thanks! On October 23 2024 05:20 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 04:48 NewSunshine wrote:
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If railing against "men who think they're women" isn't supposed to be an attack against trans people, then you need to re-evaluate what "very" and "clearly" mean. 'cus you don't got it.
I'm pretty sure that quotation is something you made up. Even dogmeat's original quote was "and ppl believing men can be women are the voice of reason [sarcasm]" It's different than "railing against men who think they are women" because in dogmeat's wording it's a criticism that applies to anyone (including yourself) and in your version it's an attack directly targeted at trans people. Although maybe I'm wrong and I just missed this quote railing against "men who think they are women." If not I think you should stop misquoting people, especially if you insist on using quotation marks. Peak irony attained. I'm not sure what's ironic about that last sentence. I'm pretty consistent on that. Your stance is that we can take something Trump said, and combine it with "context" from the last 8 years, and pop out a new amalgamation of a quote that we can entirely attribute to Trump. A few days ago when the media was reporting that "The Shade Room" producers told them they were told by an unnamed Trump adviser that Trump was too exhausted to do the interview you kept referring to Trump's exhaustion as "a quote from a Trump adviser." I think the real problem is you can't tell the difference between a bit of hearsay and a quote. You literally just fabricated a statement by that DogMeat guy, while the rest of us (over the past few days) were actually citing a quote from a Trump advisor and additionally quoting Donald Trump about him wanting to use the military to silence the radical left... I know we talked about Harris and the rest of Trump's version of the "radical left" earlier, and we now have additional examples of who Trump considers to be the "enemy from within" who deserve to be silenced by the military: Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi. Check out these four minutes, from 8:30 to 12:30. To quote Jon Stewart: "It's exactly what he said" and "He is literally saying that!" Thanks for sharing the clip but I already saw it. Of note if you rewind a little bit you'll see Jon Stewart mocking the mainstream media over having a shit-fit about Trump working at McDonalds for a photo-op and mentioning rumors that Arnold Palmer had a legendary penis. Which pretty much reinforces my main point from days ago - these efforts are counter productive. Trump gives so much to attack him over that finding the need to rage over these silly things just hurts their credibility as foaming-out-the-mouth Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers. It's not like Trump is the first politician to do a silly photo-op. I think we've litigated Trump's comments enough but at the end of the day we just have a difference of opinion on what he said. I want the re-telling of his comments to look something like "Trump suggests military should be used on Election Day, if necessary, to handle 'enemy within,' which is a term he has also applied to Democrat politicians Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi"You want the retelling to be "Trump says that he would be willing to use the military to silence Harris"I think my version is more literal to what he said and you think your version is more literal. Perhaps the problem is I'm using the version of "literally" meant to mean something is exactly as is and you're using the informal definition of "literally" to express emphasis while not being literally true. Both of your bolded statements are factually correct. I have no problem with anyone stating either of those, because they're true. Can you please post a source or two about the cis-teacher who pretended to be trans, or whatever story you were referencing earlier? I'm interested in learning about it. It's a New York Post article (so heavily biased), but they generally will tell the story at least as a starting point https://nypost.com/article/who-is-kayla-lemieux-trans-teacher-with-prosthetic-breasts/Bill Maher has also referenced this case multiple times and is the only reason why I know of it. Thanks for the source! If that article about the Canadian teacher is indeed true and is actually what people are using as ammunition against the trans community, then this topic is even less serious than I thought lol. Maybe TDS should stand for Trump Trans Derangement Syndrome, because of how far conservatives will go to hate on that marginalized group. Seems fair to me Proportion wise, trans people are close to the most irrelevant political topic to me possible. I’ve met 3 in my life, 2 of whom I liked, one of whom I disliked, on a purely personality level They’re not rampantly sexually assaulting people. The issue of women’s sports IMO is an area for debate, but most of the people who want trans athletes excluded also frequently denigrate woman’s sport ‘WNBA players can’t dunk who cares?’ juxtaposed with the exact same folks going ‘trans people are ruining woman’s sports doesn’t really track. I can’t recall whose wisdom it was but ‘don’t be a cunt’ as a maxim to live one’s life seems OK to me I’m not some savant with access to all human history, I genuinely can’t recall from my readings many times when such a small, largely inconsequential subset of a population gets so much hate and approbrium for no particularly good reason
Yeah it's pretty easy to vilify small groups that aren't well-known or well-understood, and the doubling down of saying that trans people are a threat - when they're actually the ones constantly being threatened - is definitely a move at odds with the maxim you mentioned.
I think I've gotten to know about 20 trans people (friends, or friends of friends, or students), and all of them have been completely innocuous and just looking to be treated like a human being. I very much appreciate that my students treat each other with respect, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. I've had plenty of LGBTQ+ students, and I've seen Gen Z be way more validating and open-minded than my middle/high school years as a Millennial (when the biggest insult one guy could call another guy was gay/f*ggot).
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On October 23 2024 10:14 Magic Powers wrote:
A troll exploiting a loophole in the tolerance aspect of the social contract doesn't prove that the board is too tolerant... The only thing this proves is that a troll found a loophole. Trolls are exceptional cases. Thus an exception will be made. The rules of the social contract do not require adjustment. Only the troll requires disciplinary action. That's all.
Bolded: Except the fact that this literally what he is doing
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I don't know all the facts of that case but I do know that it's a proven fact that school boards often make dumb decisions. I've been on the receiving end of some way back when.
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On October 23 2024 10:18 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 10:14 Magic Powers wrote:
A troll exploiting a loophole in the tolerance aspect of the social contract doesn't prove that the board is too tolerant... The only thing this proves is that a troll found a loophole. Trolls are exceptional cases. Thus an exception will be made. The rules of the social contract do not require adjustment. Only the troll requires disciplinary action. That's all. Bolded: Except the fact that this literally what he is doing
That's the point I'm making? He exploited the loophole, I said as much. Disciplinary action will be taken, the troll will be removed. That's the end of it. Nothing about the tolerance level of the board needs to change.
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On October 23 2024 10:08 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:46 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:10 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Please explain exactly what part of the wardrobe is inappropriate, because all the pictures in that article show that teacher fully clothed. If you're saying that a person with large breasts is inappropriate because they have large breasts, then I disagree with you. If you're saying that wearing fake breasts just for a gag is inappropriate, then I agree with you (but there doesn't seem to be verification that that's actually happened with this person... the article seems inconclusive about a lot of things). So please be specific with what your issue is. This was a very long conversation I am walking into, so forgive my ignorance here. Are you saying Kayla Lemieux should be allowed to teach at a school while wearing these prosthetic breasts? I think someone can say the wardrobe is fine, and that women with very large breasts shouldn't be disallowed from being teachers, while also easily saying the situation with Kayla Lemieux is clearly not appropriate for teaching. I literally have no idea who Kayla Lemieux is, outside of the one New York Post article that was cited. If Kayla is actually a guy who simply stuffs his shirt with fake breasts before school every day, just to troll whoever, then I have no idea what his deal is. If Kayla is actually a woman with real, really large breasts, and if this article is just plain wrong about some of its claims, then I don't think it makes sense to hate on this woman. (I'm just walking into this conversation too lol.) I suppose what I am saying is: Based on this new york post link, I am not concerned with whether or not she truly is trans or truly identifies with the prosthetic breasts. Those breasts are clearly not real and she should clearly not be allowed to teach like that. Assuming the NYP article is accurate about those breasts being fake and basically just a prop, then yeah I agree with you. Oh great so we agree they shouldnt be allowed to wear these giant fake bazookas. So I guess my criticism of the school board that allowed this is totally valid and not just an “attack on trans people.” We just needed it to come through Mohdoo’s keyboard.
Maybe if you had posted an article or the full context like we had asked you, or communicated things more clearly, or avoided bringing this up right as you were providing cover for that other poster's anti-trans rhetoric, we would have eventually agreed with you.
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On October 23 2024 10:08 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:46 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:10 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Please explain exactly what part of the wardrobe is inappropriate, because all the pictures in that article show that teacher fully clothed. If you're saying that a person with large breasts is inappropriate because they have large breasts, then I disagree with you. If you're saying that wearing fake breasts just for a gag is inappropriate, then I agree with you (but there doesn't seem to be verification that that's actually happened with this person... the article seems inconclusive about a lot of things). So please be specific with what your issue is. This was a very long conversation I am walking into, so forgive my ignorance here. Are you saying Kayla Lemieux should be allowed to teach at a school while wearing these prosthetic breasts? I think someone can say the wardrobe is fine, and that women with very large breasts shouldn't be disallowed from being teachers, while also easily saying the situation with Kayla Lemieux is clearly not appropriate for teaching. I literally have no idea who Kayla Lemieux is, outside of the one New York Post article that was cited. If Kayla is actually a guy who simply stuffs his shirt with fake breasts before school every day, just to troll whoever, then I have no idea what his deal is. If Kayla is actually a woman with real, really large breasts, and if this article is just plain wrong about some of its claims, then I don't think it makes sense to hate on this woman. (I'm just walking into this conversation too lol.) I suppose what I am saying is: Based on this new york post link, I am not concerned with whether or not she truly is trans or truly identifies with the prosthetic breasts. Those breasts are clearly not real and she should clearly not be allowed to teach like that. Assuming the NYP article is accurate about those breasts being fake and basically just a prop, then yeah I agree with you. Oh great so we agree they shouldnt be allowed to wear these giant fake bazookas. So I guess my criticism of the school board that allowed this is totally valid and not just an “attack on trans people.” We just needed it to come through Mohdoo’s keyboard.
Well no, phrase it better
If you had said say, ‘Worries about sensibilities have school boards allowing rather strange behaviour, look at this example, here’s a link’, fair enough
Instead you framed some anecdote none of us even had any idea of in as derogatory terms as almost possible and lectured DPB about what his ‘ideology dictates’
Fuck me it’s just basic communicative discourse
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On October 23 2024 10:08 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:46 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:10 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Please explain exactly what part of the wardrobe is inappropriate, because all the pictures in that article show that teacher fully clothed. If you're saying that a person with large breasts is inappropriate because they have large breasts, then I disagree with you. If you're saying that wearing fake breasts just for a gag is inappropriate, then I agree with you (but there doesn't seem to be verification that that's actually happened with this person... the article seems inconclusive about a lot of things). So please be specific with what your issue is. This was a very long conversation I am walking into, so forgive my ignorance here. Are you saying Kayla Lemieux should be allowed to teach at a school while wearing these prosthetic breasts? I think someone can say the wardrobe is fine, and that women with very large breasts shouldn't be disallowed from being teachers, while also easily saying the situation with Kayla Lemieux is clearly not appropriate for teaching. I literally have no idea who Kayla Lemieux is, outside of the one New York Post article that was cited. If Kayla is actually a guy who simply stuffs his shirt with fake breasts before school every day, just to troll whoever, then I have no idea what his deal is. If Kayla is actually a woman with real, really large breasts, and if this article is just plain wrong about some of its claims, then I don't think it makes sense to hate on this woman. (I'm just walking into this conversation too lol.) I suppose what I am saying is: Based on this new york post link, I am not concerned with whether or not she truly is trans or truly identifies with the prosthetic breasts. Those breasts are clearly not real and she should clearly not be allowed to teach like that. Assuming the NYP article is accurate about those breasts being fake and basically just a prop, then yeah I agree with you. Oh great so we agree they shouldnt be allowed to wear these giant fake bazookas. So I guess my criticism of the school board that allowed this is totally valid and not just an “attack on trans people.” We just needed it to come through Mohdoo’s keyboard.
Tbf it's unclear to me if your criticism of the school board is "They're too accepting/gullible" or "They don't have clear dress code or wardrobe guidelines", and it wasn't until someone else linked a story that we had any actual info. The former has a lot to do with trans/identity issues, where the latter doesn't.
I appreciate the clarification on logic earlier btw.
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On October 23 2024 10:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 09:12 WombaT wrote:On October 23 2024 08:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 07:43 RenSC2 wrote:On October 23 2024 07:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 07:20 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 06:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 06:27 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 05:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 05:04 BlackJack wrote:
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I don't even know what your point is. Quoting a post I made followed by some unrelated post dogmeat made about tampons as if to say "aha! got you!" okay... Usually you don't admit things like this, but I think you just accidentally gave away the ball game. Your excuse that you're simply "attacking the ideology of the school board" is indeed unrelated to what you and DogMeat were talking about from the start, with the anti-trans rhetoric. Still not sure why you lied about what DogMeat actually said though. Anyways, please post a source or two about the cis-teacher who pretended to be trans, that you've been using as ammunition to attack the trans community school boards ( ) . It would be nice to get fuller context. Thanks! On October 23 2024 05:20 BlackJack wrote:
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I'm pretty sure that quotation is something you made up. Even dogmeat's original quote was "and ppl believing men can be women are the voice of reason [sarcasm]"
It's different than "railing against men who think they are women" because in dogmeat's wording it's a criticism that applies to anyone (including yourself) and in your version it's an attack directly targeted at trans people.
Although maybe I'm wrong and I just missed this quote railing against "men who think they are women." If not I think you should stop misquoting people, especially if you insist on using quotation marks. Peak irony attained. I'm not sure what's ironic about that last sentence. I'm pretty consistent on that. Your stance is that we can take something Trump said, and combine it with "context" from the last 8 years, and pop out a new amalgamation of a quote that we can entirely attribute to Trump. A few days ago when the media was reporting that "The Shade Room" producers told them they were told by an unnamed Trump adviser that Trump was too exhausted to do the interview you kept referring to Trump's exhaustion as "a quote from a Trump adviser." I think the real problem is you can't tell the difference between a bit of hearsay and a quote. You literally just fabricated a statement by that DogMeat guy, while the rest of us (over the past few days) were actually citing a quote from a Trump advisor and additionally quoting Donald Trump about him wanting to use the military to silence the radical left... I know we talked about Harris and the rest of Trump's version of the "radical left" earlier, and we now have additional examples of who Trump considers to be the "enemy from within" who deserve to be silenced by the military: Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi. Check out these four minutes, from 8:30 to 12:30. To quote Jon Stewart: "It's exactly what he said" and "He is literally saying that!" Thanks for sharing the clip but I already saw it. Of note if you rewind a little bit you'll see Jon Stewart mocking the mainstream media over having a shit-fit about Trump working at McDonalds for a photo-op and mentioning rumors that Arnold Palmer had a legendary penis. Which pretty much reinforces my main point from days ago - these efforts are counter productive. Trump gives so much to attack him over that finding the need to rage over these silly things just hurts their credibility as foaming-out-the-mouth Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers. It's not like Trump is the first politician to do a silly photo-op. I think we've litigated Trump's comments enough but at the end of the day we just have a difference of opinion on what he said. I want the re-telling of his comments to look something like "Trump suggests military should be used on Election Day, if necessary, to handle 'enemy within,' which is a term he has also applied to Democrat politicians Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi"You want the retelling to be "Trump says that he would be willing to use the military to silence Harris"I think my version is more literal to what he said and you think your version is more literal. Perhaps the problem is I'm using the version of "literally" meant to mean something is exactly as is and you're using the informal definition of "literally" to express emphasis while not being literally true. Both of your bolded statements are factually correct. I have no problem with anyone stating either of those, because they're true. Can you please post a source or two about the cis-teacher who pretended to be trans, or whatever story you were referencing earlier? I'm interested in learning about it. It's a New York Post article (so heavily biased), but they generally will tell the story at least as a starting point https://nypost.com/article/who-is-kayla-lemieux-trans-teacher-with-prosthetic-breasts/Bill Maher has also referenced this case multiple times and is the only reason why I know of it. Thanks for the source! If that article about the Canadian teacher is indeed true and is actually what people are using as ammunition against the trans community, then this topic is even less serious than I thought lol. Maybe TDS should stand for Trump Trans Derangement Syndrome, because of how far conservatives will go to hate on that marginalized group. Seems fair to me Proportion wise, trans people are close to the most irrelevant political topic to me possible. I’ve met 3 in my life, 2 of whom I liked, one of whom I disliked, on a purely personality level They’re not rampantly sexually assaulting people. The issue of women’s sports IMO is an area for debate, but most of the people who want trans athletes excluded also frequently denigrate woman’s sport ‘WNBA players can’t dunk who cares?’ juxtaposed with the exact same folks going ‘trans people are ruining woman’s sports doesn’t really track. I can’t recall whose wisdom it was but ‘don’t be a cunt’ as a maxim to live one’s life seems OK to me I’m not some savant with access to all human history, I genuinely can’t recall from my readings many times when such a small, largely inconsequential subset of a population gets so much hate and approbrium for no particularly good reason Yeah it's pretty easy to vilify small groups that aren't well-known or well-understood, and the doubling down of saying that trans people are a threat - when they're actually the ones constantly being threatened - is definitely a move at odds with the maxim you mentioned. I think I've gotten to know about 20 trans people (friends, or friends of friends, or students), and all of them have been completely innocuous and just looking to be treated like a human being. I very much appreciate that my students treat each other with respect, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. I've had plenty of LGBTQ+ students, and I've seen Gen Z be way more validating and open-minded than my middle/high school years as a Millennial (when the biggest insult one guy could call another guy was gay/f*ggot).
I have failed to prevent Minibat being one of the saltiest gamers I’ve ever encountered, granted I can’t complain given I’m in my top 5. Albeit most of my salt was self-directed
But it is interesting playing with him and his buddies on the regular. Any kind of homophobic insult just doesn’t come up. At all
When I was a kid, very much not so, wasn’t that long ago. I used faggot way longer than I should have with the justification that contextually it wasn’t homophobic. Which it wasn’t, but not a justification. I haven’t suffered one iota from scrubbing it from my vernacular
Feels good man
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On October 23 2024 10:36 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 10:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:12 WombaT wrote:On October 23 2024 08:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 07:43 RenSC2 wrote:On October 23 2024 07:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 07:20 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 06:40 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 06:27 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 05:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:[quote] Usually you don't admit things like this, but I think you just accidentally gave away the ball game. Your excuse that you're simply "attacking the ideology of the school board" is indeed unrelated to what you and DogMeat were talking about from the start, with the anti-trans rhetoric. Still not sure why you lied about what DogMeat actually said though. Anyways, please post a source or two about the cis-teacher who pretended to be trans, that you've been using as ammunition to attack the trans community school boards ( ) . It would be nice to get fuller context. Thanks! [quote] Peak irony attained. I'm not sure what's ironic about that last sentence. I'm pretty consistent on that. Your stance is that we can take something Trump said, and combine it with "context" from the last 8 years, and pop out a new amalgamation of a quote that we can entirely attribute to Trump. A few days ago when the media was reporting that "The Shade Room" producers told them they were told by an unnamed Trump adviser that Trump was too exhausted to do the interview you kept referring to Trump's exhaustion as "a quote from a Trump adviser." I think the real problem is you can't tell the difference between a bit of hearsay and a quote. You literally just fabricated a statement by that DogMeat guy, while the rest of us (over the past few days) were actually citing a quote from a Trump advisor and additionally quoting Donald Trump about him wanting to use the military to silence the radical left... I know we talked about Harris and the rest of Trump's version of the "radical left" earlier, and we now have additional examples of who Trump considers to be the "enemy from within" who deserve to be silenced by the military: Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi. Check out these four minutes, from 8:30 to 12:30. To quote Jon Stewart: "It's exactly what he said" and "He is literally saying that!" Thanks for sharing the clip but I already saw it. Of note if you rewind a little bit you'll see Jon Stewart mocking the mainstream media over having a shit-fit about Trump working at McDonalds for a photo-op and mentioning rumors that Arnold Palmer had a legendary penis. Which pretty much reinforces my main point from days ago - these efforts are counter productive. Trump gives so much to attack him over that finding the need to rage over these silly things just hurts their credibility as foaming-out-the-mouth Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers. It's not like Trump is the first politician to do a silly photo-op. I think we've litigated Trump's comments enough but at the end of the day we just have a difference of opinion on what he said. I want the re-telling of his comments to look something like "Trump suggests military should be used on Election Day, if necessary, to handle 'enemy within,' which is a term he has also applied to Democrat politicians Adam Schiff and Nancy Pelosi"You want the retelling to be "Trump says that he would be willing to use the military to silence Harris"I think my version is more literal to what he said and you think your version is more literal. Perhaps the problem is I'm using the version of "literally" meant to mean something is exactly as is and you're using the informal definition of "literally" to express emphasis while not being literally true. Both of your bolded statements are factually correct. I have no problem with anyone stating either of those, because they're true. Can you please post a source or two about the cis-teacher who pretended to be trans, or whatever story you were referencing earlier? I'm interested in learning about it. It's a New York Post article (so heavily biased), but they generally will tell the story at least as a starting point https://nypost.com/article/who-is-kayla-lemieux-trans-teacher-with-prosthetic-breasts/Bill Maher has also referenced this case multiple times and is the only reason why I know of it. Thanks for the source! If that article about the Canadian teacher is indeed true and is actually what people are using as ammunition against the trans community, then this topic is even less serious than I thought lol. Maybe TDS should stand for Trump Trans Derangement Syndrome, because of how far conservatives will go to hate on that marginalized group. Seems fair to me Proportion wise, trans people are close to the most irrelevant political topic to me possible. I’ve met 3 in my life, 2 of whom I liked, one of whom I disliked, on a purely personality level They’re not rampantly sexually assaulting people. The issue of women’s sports IMO is an area for debate, but most of the people who want trans athletes excluded also frequently denigrate woman’s sport ‘WNBA players can’t dunk who cares?’ juxtaposed with the exact same folks going ‘trans people are ruining woman’s sports doesn’t really track. I can’t recall whose wisdom it was but ‘don’t be a cunt’ as a maxim to live one’s life seems OK to me I’m not some savant with access to all human history, I genuinely can’t recall from my readings many times when such a small, largely inconsequential subset of a population gets so much hate and approbrium for no particularly good reason Yeah it's pretty easy to vilify small groups that aren't well-known or well-understood, and the doubling down of saying that trans people are a threat - when they're actually the ones constantly being threatened - is definitely a move at odds with the maxim you mentioned. I think I've gotten to know about 20 trans people (friends, or friends of friends, or students), and all of them have been completely innocuous and just looking to be treated like a human being. I very much appreciate that my students treat each other with respect, regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity. I've had plenty of LGBTQ+ students, and I've seen Gen Z be way more validating and open-minded than my middle/high school years as a Millennial (when the biggest insult one guy could call another guy was gay/f*ggot). I have failed to prevent Minibat being one of the saltiest gamers I’ve ever encountered, granted I can’t complain given I’m in my top 5. Albeit most of my salt was self-directed But it is interesting playing with him and his buddies on the regular. Any kind of homophobic insult just doesn’t come up. At all When I was a kid, very much not so, wasn’t that long ago. I used faggot way longer than I should have with the justification that contextually it wasn’t homophobic. Which it wasn’t, but not a justification. I haven’t suffered one iota from scrubbing it from my vernacular Feels good man
I can get pretty salty too, depending on the game! How old is Minibat now? It's interesting to hear how insults/comments change from generation to generation, and how some people are capable of scrubbing certain derogatory language from their vernacular as they grow up, while others can't/won't.
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On October 23 2024 09:48 Acrofales wrote:
So being tolerant to trans people leaves you vulnerable to trolling, and the proposed solution isn't to be harsher against trolls, but to be harsher against trans people. That is some pants on head logic.
I guess it's about the same level as claiming miniskirts are the reason women get raped, not, you know, rapists.
When someone exploits other peoples good will the people who should be ridiculed are the people who were exploited, not the person who takes advantage of them. According to BJ wearing fake breasts to impersonate a trans person is a virtuous act and should be celebrated. The real villians are the ones who treat other people with kindness and use empathy to drive their decisions instead of cruelty.
Its the mindset of a people who think a convicted felon and a rapist is a person you should give the nuclear launch codes to.
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On October 23 2024 10:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 10:08 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:46 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:10 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Please explain exactly what part of the wardrobe is inappropriate, because all the pictures in that article show that teacher fully clothed. If you're saying that a person with large breasts is inappropriate because they have large breasts, then I disagree with you. If you're saying that wearing fake breasts just for a gag is inappropriate, then I agree with you (but there doesn't seem to be verification that that's actually happened with this person... the article seems inconclusive about a lot of things). So please be specific with what your issue is. This was a very long conversation I am walking into, so forgive my ignorance here. Are you saying Kayla Lemieux should be allowed to teach at a school while wearing these prosthetic breasts? I think someone can say the wardrobe is fine, and that women with very large breasts shouldn't be disallowed from being teachers, while also easily saying the situation with Kayla Lemieux is clearly not appropriate for teaching. I literally have no idea who Kayla Lemieux is, outside of the one New York Post article that was cited. If Kayla is actually a guy who simply stuffs his shirt with fake breasts before school every day, just to troll whoever, then I have no idea what his deal is. If Kayla is actually a woman with real, really large breasts, and if this article is just plain wrong about some of its claims, then I don't think it makes sense to hate on this woman. (I'm just walking into this conversation too lol.) I suppose what I am saying is: Based on this new york post link, I am not concerned with whether or not she truly is trans or truly identifies with the prosthetic breasts. Those breasts are clearly not real and she should clearly not be allowed to teach like that. Assuming the NYP article is accurate about those breasts being fake and basically just a prop, then yeah I agree with you. Oh great so we agree they shouldnt be allowed to wear these giant fake bazookas. So I guess my criticism of the school board that allowed this is totally valid and not just an “attack on trans people.” We just needed it to come through Mohdoo’s keyboard. Maybe if you had posted an article or the full context like we had asked you, or communicated things more clearly, or avoided bringing this up right as you were providing cover for that other poster's anti-trans rhetoric, we would have eventually agreed with you.
I think that if there was consensus here you would have gladly argued the case that there’s nothing wrong with Kayla wearing giant prosthetic tits to school if that’s how they chose to identify.
Mohdoo’s point was the same as mine: it doesn’t matter if they are trans or a troll, the prosthetic boobs are inappropriate either way. He didn’t offer anything materially different. You already had access to the nypost article when you were questioning me about what exactly I found inappropriate about what that person was wearing. I think Mohdoo just offered another dissent that you couldn’t dismiss as a right-wing bigot so your position came crumbling down like a house of cards.
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Aight well, maybe this timeline isnt always so bad, lmao.
https://consequence.net/2024/10/insane-clown-posse-violent-j-kamala-harris/
Speaking with comedian Troy Iwata for a recent segment on The Daily Show, Violent J confirmed that Harris is his preferred pick for the White House, saying “I want her to win because she’s a Democrat, and I love my mom.”
Elsewhere in the interview, he learned how to pronounce Harris’ first name — calling it “fresh” — and weighed in on a number of hot-topic issues, like mass deportation, which he said “fuck no” to. “Now I remember why I hated Trump, that wall shit,” he said.
As for women’s rights, he believes in them (“they have the right to be the fuckin’ shit”), and as for environmental conservation, he thinks its time humans get over their superiority complex, saying, “Let me tell you what a superior animal is: a whale.”
Speaking about why he prefers Democrats to Republicans, Violent J explained, “My mom said the Democrats are saying less taxes on the poor, more taxes on the rich.” When asked about the taxes he pays, he enthusiastically claimed that he pays “up the fucking anus, and I’m happy about it. I pay double what they ask.”
ICP endorsing Harris isnt super surprising, that subculture is actually super anti-bigotry and generally pretty nice, but man is that a funny piece of news you'd never expect to read.
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On October 23 2024 13:11 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2024 10:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 10:08 BlackJack wrote:On October 23 2024 09:58 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:46 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:25 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 23 2024 09:10 Mohdoo wrote:On October 23 2024 09:03 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Please explain exactly what part of the wardrobe is inappropriate, because all the pictures in that article show that teacher fully clothed. If you're saying that a person with large breasts is inappropriate because they have large breasts, then I disagree with you. If you're saying that wearing fake breasts just for a gag is inappropriate, then I agree with you (but there doesn't seem to be verification that that's actually happened with this person... the article seems inconclusive about a lot of things). So please be specific with what your issue is. This was a very long conversation I am walking into, so forgive my ignorance here. Are you saying Kayla Lemieux should be allowed to teach at a school while wearing these prosthetic breasts? I think someone can say the wardrobe is fine, and that women with very large breasts shouldn't be disallowed from being teachers, while also easily saying the situation with Kayla Lemieux is clearly not appropriate for teaching. I literally have no idea who Kayla Lemieux is, outside of the one New York Post article that was cited. If Kayla is actually a guy who simply stuffs his shirt with fake breasts before school every day, just to troll whoever, then I have no idea what his deal is. If Kayla is actually a woman with real, really large breasts, and if this article is just plain wrong about some of its claims, then I don't think it makes sense to hate on this woman. (I'm just walking into this conversation too lol.) I suppose what I am saying is: Based on this new york post link, I am not concerned with whether or not she truly is trans or truly identifies with the prosthetic breasts. Those breasts are clearly not real and she should clearly not be allowed to teach like that. Assuming the NYP article is accurate about those breasts being fake and basically just a prop, then yeah I agree with you. Oh great so we agree they shouldnt be allowed to wear these giant fake bazookas. So I guess my criticism of the school board that allowed this is totally valid and not just an “attack on trans people.” We just needed it to come through Mohdoo’s keyboard. Maybe if you had posted an article or the full context like we had asked you, or communicated things more clearly, or avoided bringing this up right as you were providing cover for that other poster's anti-trans rhetoric, we would have eventually agreed with you. I think that if there was consensus here you would have gladly argued the case that there’s nothing wrong with Kayla wearing giant prosthetic tits to school if that’s how they chose to identify. Mohdoo’s point was the same as mine: it doesn’t matter if they are trans or a troll, the prosthetic boobs are inappropriate either way. He didn’t offer anything materially different. You already had access to the nypost article when you were questioning me about what exactly I found inappropriate about what that person was wearing. I think Mohdoo just offered another dissent that you couldn’t dismiss as a right-wing bigot so your position came crumbling down like a house of cards.
Just to recenter ourselves, let's run the discussion back:
On October 22 2024 12:05 BlackJack wrote:
As dogmeat said, they are arguably less delusional and out of touch than the people believing a man is a woman because he put on a wig and stuffed his shirt with giant inflatable tits.
This prompted Manifesto to respond, and you to respond to Manifesto with
On October 23 2024 02:15 BlackJack wrote:
I don't know what the media machine is, but I would argue that since it would be considered inappropriate any other time in history for a man to show up to teach kids with Size Z prosthetic tits, and now we have a school board that was willing to defend it then they are the ones that are ideologically captured by some kind of machine.
Later, in response to DPB, you add
On October 23 2024 02:36 BlackJack wrote:To be clear, your ideology dictates that you accept that teacher as a woman simply for saying he is a woman. The wig and prosthetic breasts aren't even a necessary component of my post.
Eventually, RenSC2 posts an actual source for the story you're referencing
Your ending statement is this:
On October 23 2024 13:11 BlackJack wrote:
I think that if there was consensus here you would have gladly argued the case that there’s nothing wrong with Kayla wearing giant prosthetic tits to school if that’s how they chose to identify.
Mohdoo’s point was the same as mine: it doesn’t matter if they are trans or a troll, the prosthetic boobs are inappropriate either way. He didn’t offer anything materially different. You already had access to the nypost article when you were questioning me about what exactly I found inappropriate about what that person was wearing. I think Mohdoo just offered another dissent that you couldn’t dismiss as a right-wing bigot so your position came crumbling down like a house of cards.
Where I take issue is specifically with the start being different than the end. You're being critical of the school board, and imo that makes sense. People have a right to identify how they want to identify, to a point. In this particular case, it was a man identifying as a woman with a medical condition. Identifying as a woman? Fine. Identifying as having a medical condition she doesn't actually have? Questionable. The school board accepting the 'identifying as having a medical condition' and allowing size Z prosthetic breasts is the issue.
You opened with "they are arguably less delusional and out of touch than the people believing a man is a woman because he put on a wig and stuffed his shirt with giant inflatable tits." and are trying to end with "it doesn’t matter if they are trans or a troll, the prosthetic boobs are inappropriate either way.".
You literally state "...believing a man is a woman because..." and later try walk it back to being about the tits. You also stated "The wig and prosthetic breasts aren't even a necessary component of my post", but are now trying to claim the prosthetic breasts ARE the necessary part and are inappropriate either way. You can't be critical of the school board and claim they're delusional for believing a man is a woman, and then say it has nothing to do with gender it's about the tits.
Also, let's not forget that our source is an american conservative tabloid's article about an extreme edge case happening in a different country. That's not a terribly robust footing to make any kind of substantial point from.
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If this is your thing you can just look up porn, bro. They have porn of this. You don't gotta share with the class.
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