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On October 14 2024 01:45 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 01:26 oBlade wrote:After a candid and fruitful appearance on Andrew Schulz's Flagrant, his most compelling appearance since Theo Von's podcast, Drumpf has confirmed he'll be on the Joe Rogan Experience. On Flagrant, Drumpf reiterated his belief in exceptions for abortion, that Arizona's abortion ban went too far, non-interest in deciding the issue at the federal level, unequivocal support for IVF, belief that nuclear weapons are the #1 world threat and regret that a denuclearization deal didn't go through with Russia and China, lack of recognition for the Abraham Accords and other successful negotiations and peacekeeping, as well as classic anecdotes about Don Jr, the PM of India, his parents and others. Boris Johnson also just admitted it's credible that the war in Ukraine would not have happened if Drumpf had been in office. + Show Spoiler +JRE is known for uncensored and unedited content and actual fact-checking with a guy called Jamie, rather than calling real laptops fake while engaging in deceptive partisan editing to make candidates look good (CBS) in a clip who can't make a coherent sentence, let alone speak for a 2-3 hours unscripted conversation. Joe Rogan is a right-wing grifter. He spreads misinformation and knowingly platforms snake oil salesmen and propagandists. Between moderates and fascists, he's slightly closer to the latter.
There's always one, it's guaranteed. Joe Rogan is alternately left-wing or libertarian, both objectively and how he describes himself. He voted for Gary Johnson, likes and endorsed (I think) Bernie Sanders, liked RFK. He "platforms" thousands of people because he's an American citizen who lives in the US and doesn't have an obligation to or not to platform anyone he chooses. And you may not know what a grifter is because he built an interview show/podcast over 15 years from starting as a comedian - he was in the same group of peers with Tom Green who was one of the progenitors of sitting in your house and filming talking to a guy you know streaming it online as a form of entertainment.
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Someo said above that a poker player would happily take those odds. They obviously would, because they have many many hands to play. What a poker player wouldn't do is go all-in on those odds (based only on the odds... sometimes you gotta play the players, not the cards). Unfortunately for Harris the election isn't a choice to play or fold. She's all-in. The only saving grace is that Trump is too, with, on the face of things, slightly worse odds. But only very slightly, and they only have 2 cards out of the total and we're pre-flop...
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On October 14 2024 02:09 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 01:45 Magic Powers wrote:On October 14 2024 01:26 oBlade wrote:After a candid and fruitful appearance on Andrew Schulz's Flagrant, his most compelling appearance since Theo Von's podcast, Drumpf has confirmed he'll be on the Joe Rogan Experience. On Flagrant, Drumpf reiterated his belief in exceptions for abortion, that Arizona's abortion ban went too far, non-interest in deciding the issue at the federal level, unequivocal support for IVF, belief that nuclear weapons are the #1 world threat and regret that a denuclearization deal didn't go through with Russia and China, lack of recognition for the Abraham Accords and other successful negotiations and peacekeeping, as well as classic anecdotes about Don Jr, the PM of India, his parents and others. Boris Johnson also just admitted it's credible that the war in Ukraine would not have happened if Drumpf had been in office. + Show Spoiler +JRE is known for uncensored and unedited content and actual fact-checking with a guy called Jamie, rather than calling real laptops fake while engaging in deceptive partisan editing to make candidates look good (CBS) in a clip who can't make a coherent sentence, let alone speak for a 2-3 hours unscripted conversation. Joe Rogan is a right-wing grifter. He spreads misinformation and knowingly platforms snake oil salesmen and propagandists. Between moderates and fascists, he's slightly closer to the latter. There's always one, it's guaranteed. Joe Rogan is alternately left-wing or libertarian, both objectively and how he describes himself. He voted for Gary Johnson, likes and endorsed (I think) Bernie Sanders, liked RFK. He "platforms" thousands of people because he's an American citizen who lives in the US and doesn't have an obligation to or not to platform anyone he chooses. And you may not know what a grifter is because he built an interview show/podcast over 15 years from starting as a comedian - he was in the same group of peers with Tom Green who was one of the progenitors of sitting in your house and filming talking to a guy you know streaming it online as a form of entertainment.
If he's not a right-wing grifter, explain this:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-joe-rogan-experience-bias/
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This whole left-right dichotomy is codswallop (threw that one in there for Wombat). Joe Rogan isn't a traditional conservative, but he's definitely fiscally conservative, and if anything, more on board with Any Rand than Thomas Piketty.
Then there's the whole anti-trans stance. In general, I tend to think of it as cryptobro politics. Peter Thiel is the epitome of it. They seem fairly firmly aligned with Trump at the moment; happy to jettison social progression in favor of deregulation of pretty much everything.
As for what Joe Rogan voted in the democratic primary is about as relevant as what Kwark voted in the republican one.
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On October 14 2024 01:45 Magic Powers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 01:26 oBlade wrote:After a candid and fruitful appearance on Andrew Schulz's Flagrant, his most compelling appearance since Theo Von's podcast, Drumpf has confirmed he'll be on the Joe Rogan Experience. On Flagrant, Drumpf reiterated his belief in exceptions for abortion, that Arizona's abortion ban went too far, non-interest in deciding the issue at the federal level, unequivocal support for IVF, belief that nuclear weapons are the #1 world threat and regret that a denuclearization deal didn't go through with Russia and China, lack of recognition for the Abraham Accords and other successful negotiations and peacekeeping, as well as classic anecdotes about Don Jr, the PM of India, his parents and others. Boris Johnson also just admitted it's credible that the war in Ukraine would not have happened if Drumpf had been in office. + Show Spoiler +JRE is known for uncensored and unedited content and actual fact-checking with a guy called Jamie, rather than calling real laptops fake while engaging in deceptive partisan editing to make candidates look good (CBS) in a clip who can't make a coherent sentence, let alone speak for a 2-3 hours unscripted conversation. Joe Rogan is a right-wing grifter. He spreads misinformation and knowingly platforms snake oil salesmen and propagandists. Between moderates and fascists, he's slightly closer to the latter.
Joe Rogan is a fascist lmao. I like how fascist has become just a word we call anyone we don’t like or who we disagree with. I also like the idea that “fascists” borders with “moderates” to the point there is some trouble discerning between the two. This is a hallmark of the ideology among some on the left. Dave Chapelle can be a life long Democrat but if he tells a trans joke it makes him an alt-right neo-nazi. Unless you have 100% compliance with the ideology you will be shunned.
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Northern Ireland25771 Posts
On October 14 2024 03:38 Acrofales wrote:
This whole left-right dichotomy is codswallop (threw that one in there for Wombat). Joe Rogan isn't a traditional conservative, but he's definitely fiscally conservative, and if anything, more on board with Any Rand than Thomas Piketty.
Then there's the whole anti-trans stance. In general, I tend to think of it as cryptobro politics. Peter Thiel is the epitome of it. They seem fairly firmly aligned with Trump at the moment; happy to jettison social progression in favor of deregulation of pretty much everything.
As for what Joe Rogan voted in the democratic primary is about as relevant as what Kwark voted in the republican one.
Much appreciated ya balloon ye
Joe Rogan always struck me as one of those guys who ‘isn’t really political’, only he somehow ended up having one of the more influential political platforms going.
He likes a bit of x, likes a bit of y. ‘Common sense’ seems his ruling mantra rather than any real considered ideological framework. But a lot of people are like that, hell probably the majority.
If there’s one real legitimate criticism of Rogan outside of having some bad takes (to put it mildly), and I think it’s a fair one and consistently seen. Anyone he platforms he tends not to actually research them and challenge them all that much. He tends to give a lot of rope and occasionally add the ‘hm that’s interesting’, which gives space for someone to really showcase their ideas. But rarely does he have the facts to hand to challenge them, or if he does he stays his hand.
This can be a positive thing, public figures don’t tend to get a platform of that size to chat for an hour+, but it’s for me a negative thing if it’s a crank given said same platform.
Ask any actual archaeologist their thoughts on Graham Hancock being given so much relative airtime on Rogan for example.
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Northern Ireland25771 Posts
On October 14 2024 05:04 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 01:45 Magic Powers wrote:On October 14 2024 01:26 oBlade wrote:After a candid and fruitful appearance on Andrew Schulz's Flagrant, his most compelling appearance since Theo Von's podcast, Drumpf has confirmed he'll be on the Joe Rogan Experience. On Flagrant, Drumpf reiterated his belief in exceptions for abortion, that Arizona's abortion ban went too far, non-interest in deciding the issue at the federal level, unequivocal support for IVF, belief that nuclear weapons are the #1 world threat and regret that a denuclearization deal didn't go through with Russia and China, lack of recognition for the Abraham Accords and other successful negotiations and peacekeeping, as well as classic anecdotes about Don Jr, the PM of India, his parents and others. Boris Johnson also just admitted it's credible that the war in Ukraine would not have happened if Drumpf had been in office. + Show Spoiler +JRE is known for uncensored and unedited content and actual fact-checking with a guy called Jamie, rather than calling real laptops fake while engaging in deceptive partisan editing to make candidates look good (CBS) in a clip who can't make a coherent sentence, let alone speak for a 2-3 hours unscripted conversation. Joe Rogan is a right-wing grifter. He spreads misinformation and knowingly platforms snake oil salesmen and propagandists. Between moderates and fascists, he's slightly closer to the latter. Joe Rogan is a fascist lmao. I like how fascist has become just a word we call anyone we don’t like or who we disagree with. I also like the idea that “fascists” borders with “moderates” to the point there is some trouble discerning between the two. This is a hallmark of the ideology among some on the left. Dave Chapelle can be a life long Democrat but if he tells a trans joke it makes him an alt-right neo-nazi. Unless you have 100% compliance with the ideology you will be shunned.
Magic Powers didn’t say either of those first things though
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Kinda shows the issue with the right-left dichotomy as a way of grouping people. Libertarians and fascists have virtually nothing in common ideologically - but both are commonly described as right wing. (Same could be said about the left and anarchists/stalinists, I guess).
Rogan definitely all over the board, but he's a libertarian, not fascist, or even fascist-adjecent. (To be fair to MP he only said he's slightly closer to a fascist than to a moderate, that's not really a big statement). Anyway, there's plenty of stuff to rightfully criticize him over and you guys have already done it - plenty of reasons to be sceptical towards platforming conspiracy theorists to a large audience without having the wherewithal to expose what's wrong with the presented ideas. I honestly wonder how he'll be with Trump - he said that Harris demolished him in their debate, if he challenges Trump and Trump goes defensive rambling mode it could be damaging to him, but if he does the I'm just asking questions nodding along thing it'll probably be a boost.
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On October 14 2024 05:35 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 05:04 BlackJack wrote:On October 14 2024 01:45 Magic Powers wrote:On October 14 2024 01:26 oBlade wrote:After a candid and fruitful appearance on Andrew Schulz's Flagrant, his most compelling appearance since Theo Von's podcast, Drumpf has confirmed he'll be on the Joe Rogan Experience. On Flagrant, Drumpf reiterated his belief in exceptions for abortion, that Arizona's abortion ban went too far, non-interest in deciding the issue at the federal level, unequivocal support for IVF, belief that nuclear weapons are the #1 world threat and regret that a denuclearization deal didn't go through with Russia and China, lack of recognition for the Abraham Accords and other successful negotiations and peacekeeping, as well as classic anecdotes about Don Jr, the PM of India, his parents and others. Boris Johnson also just admitted it's credible that the war in Ukraine would not have happened if Drumpf had been in office. + Show Spoiler +JRE is known for uncensored and unedited content and actual fact-checking with a guy called Jamie, rather than calling real laptops fake while engaging in deceptive partisan editing to make candidates look good (CBS) in a clip who can't make a coherent sentence, let alone speak for a 2-3 hours unscripted conversation. Joe Rogan is a right-wing grifter. He spreads misinformation and knowingly platforms snake oil salesmen and propagandists. Between moderates and fascists, he's slightly closer to the latter. Joe Rogan is a fascist lmao. I like how fascist has become just a word we call anyone we don’t like or who we disagree with. I also like the idea that “fascists” borders with “moderates” to the point there is some trouble discerning between the two. This is a hallmark of the ideology among some on the left. Dave Chapelle can be a life long Democrat but if he tells a trans joke it makes him an alt-right neo-nazi. Unless you have 100% compliance with the ideology you will be shunned. Magic Powers didn’t say either of those first things though
Ok sure but it's still absolutely ridiculous to throw out the word fascist there and it's emblematic of a larger movement to label anyone that disagrees with them a nazi, fascist, racist, or whatever. Joe Rogan is pro-choice, pro-universal healthcare, pro-drug legalization, Bernie Sanders supporting, anti-gun control, small-government libertarian. I'd like to hear the evidence to conclude that he's closer to being a fascist than a moderate because I think my theory that "fascist has become just a word we call anyone we don’t like or who we disagree with" is the correct one here.
On October 14 2024 05:30 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 03:38 Acrofales wrote:
This whole left-right dichotomy is codswallop (threw that one in there for Wombat). Joe Rogan isn't a traditional conservative, but he's definitely fiscally conservative, and if anything, more on board with Any Rand than Thomas Piketty.
Then there's the whole anti-trans stance. In general, I tend to think of it as cryptobro politics. Peter Thiel is the epitome of it. They seem fairly firmly aligned with Trump at the moment; happy to jettison social progression in favor of deregulation of pretty much everything.
As for what Joe Rogan voted in the democratic primary is about as relevant as what Kwark voted in the republican one.
Much appreciated ya balloon ye Joe Rogan always struck me as one of those guys who ‘isn’t really political’, only he somehow ended up having one of the more influential political platforms going. He likes a bit of x, likes a bit of y. ‘Common sense’ seems his ruling mantra rather than any real considered ideological framework. But a lot of people are like that, hell probably the majority. If there’s one real legitimate criticism of Rogan outside of having some bad takes (to put it mildly), and I think it’s a fair one and consistently seen. Anyone he platforms he tends not to actually research them and challenge them all that much. He tends to give a lot of rope and occasionally add the ‘hm that’s interesting’, which gives space for someone to really showcase their ideas. But rarely does he have the facts to hand to challenge them, or if he does he stays his hand. This can be a positive thing, public figures don’t tend to get a platform of that size to chat for an hour+, but it’s for me a negative thing if it’s a crank given said same platform. Ask any actual archaeologist their thoughts on Graham Hancock being given so much relative airtime on Rogan for example.
I think this post is spot on.
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On October 14 2024 05:04 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 01:45 Magic Powers wrote:On October 14 2024 01:26 oBlade wrote:After a candid and fruitful appearance on Andrew Schulz's Flagrant, his most compelling appearance since Theo Von's podcast, Drumpf has confirmed he'll be on the Joe Rogan Experience. On Flagrant, Drumpf reiterated his belief in exceptions for abortion, that Arizona's abortion ban went too far, non-interest in deciding the issue at the federal level, unequivocal support for IVF, belief that nuclear weapons are the #1 world threat and regret that a denuclearization deal didn't go through with Russia and China, lack of recognition for the Abraham Accords and other successful negotiations and peacekeeping, as well as classic anecdotes about Don Jr, the PM of India, his parents and others. Boris Johnson also just admitted it's credible that the war in Ukraine would not have happened if Drumpf had been in office. + Show Spoiler +JRE is known for uncensored and unedited content and actual fact-checking with a guy called Jamie, rather than calling real laptops fake while engaging in deceptive partisan editing to make candidates look good (CBS) in a clip who can't make a coherent sentence, let alone speak for a 2-3 hours unscripted conversation. Joe Rogan is a right-wing grifter. He spreads misinformation and knowingly platforms snake oil salesmen and propagandists. Between moderates and fascists, he's slightly closer to the latter. Joe Rogan is a fascist lmao. I like how fascist has become just a word we call anyone we don’t like or who we disagree with. I also like the idea that “fascists” borders with “moderates” to the point there is some trouble discerning between the two. This is a hallmark of the ideology among some on the left. Dave Chapelle can be a life long Democrat but if he tells a trans joke it makes him an alt-right neo-nazi. Unless you have 100% compliance with the ideology you will be shunned.
I didn't call him a fascist.
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My biggest issue with Joe Rogan isn't his political affiliation, but rather how utterly irresponsible he is when it comes to interviewing literally anyone who wants to peddle absolute bullshit. He just lets his platform be used to disseminate misinformation and disinformation on a regular basis. oBlade asserted that Joe Rogan and his assistant Jamie "are known for fact-checking" the interviewee, which is just plain false. There have been occasional times where Jamie fact-checks Joe Rogan and his idiotic claims in the moment, and other times where on a later episode they might briefly correct something said by an interviewee from a previous episode (like Fox News does when they post a quick retraction and apology during an irrelevant segment, after the damage has been done), but let's not pretend like Joe Rogan regularly calls out his interviewees in the moment. There is extremely little accountability, which is why Joe Rogan's podcast has been actually known for perpetuating problems like spreading lies about covid and the actual vaccines and Trump's fake treatments. And that's unsurprising - Joe Rogan isn't a journalist and he's generally clueless about most things - so there's no reason to claim he's "known for fact-checking" anyone. On occasion, he does, but that doesn't come close to making up for the damage he does when he gives a voice to terrible people and terrible ideas.
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Joe Rogan just believes anything that fits his pre-existing world view, even if it makes no sense if you take a minute to think about it. He's a Libertarian (who are really just Conservatives who don't have strong feelings about certain social issues one way or another at this point). So he'll think George Soros influencing politics to be a serious issue but completely handwave or dismiss Elon Musk or Peter Thiel doing the same thing. Or how he can't comprehend the Ancient Egyptians cutting and moving huge stone blocks because the extent of his construction knowledge ends with front loaders and a 18v Dewalt angle grinder.
Like his interview with that failed comedian who claimed woke culture stopped him from being the next comedian superstar is a perfect example of Joe's problems. Joe Rogan gave zero pushback in that interview, only going 'woah woke mind virus that's so wrong that's so crazy" when this comedian keeps telling him stories of talent agents obviousy gassing him up. Which is the real problem with Joe Rogan, someone like Joe Rogan should know how the entertainment industry works (talent agents gassing up their clients) but he apparently forgot about all of this because he really wants to believe this guy failed because the woke mind virus is standing in the way. Maybe woke culture is ruining comedy but it absolutely didn't ruin this guy's career so why are we pretending it did just because its convenient to do so?
Fact checking doesn't really mean anything because Joe Rogan doesn't accept it. He just goes "oh cool" and immediately steamrolls past it with anecdotes. Its not a honest two way street between Joe and Jamie plus he's not actually mentally curious. He's might actually learn something and stop bringing on obvious science and history grifters if that was the case.
One Google search would have told you this guy was absolutely not going to be co-starring with Larry David (his claim) nor his agency was against representing white, male comedians seeing they were representing goddamn Shane Gillis. The Youtube video of his act at the White House Correspondents Dinner was probably the biggest bomb I've seen. But nothing but Joe Rogan letting this guy treat the interview like some hugbox.
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On October 14 2024 07:38 frontgarden2222 wrote:
Joe Rogan just believes anything that fits his pre-existing world view, even if it makes no sense if you take a minute to think about it. He's a Libertarian (who are really just Conservatives who don't have strong feelings about certain social issues one way or another at this point). So he'll think George Soros influencing politics to be a serious issue but completely handwave or dismiss Elon Musk or Peter Thiel doing the same thing. Or how he can't comprehend the Ancient Egyptians cutting and moving huge stone blocks because the extent of his construction knowledge ends with front loaders and a 18v Dewalt angle grinder.
Like his interview with that failed comedian who kept whining about how wokeness prevented him from being the next comedian superstar is a perfect example of his problems. Joe Rogan gave zero pushback in that interview, only going 'woah woke mind virus that's so wrong that's so crazy" when this comedian keeps telling him stories of talent agents obviousy gassing him up. Which is the real problem with Joe Rogan, someone like Joe Rogan should know how the entertainment industry works (talent agents gassing up their clients) but he apparently forgot about all of this because he really wants to believe this guy failed because the woke mind virus is standing in the way.
Fact checking doesn't really mean anything because Joe Rogan doesn't accept it. He just goes "oh cool" and immediately steamrolls past it with anecdotes. Its not a honest two way street between Joe and Jamie, he's not actually mentally curious.
One Google search would have told you this guy was absolutely not going to be co-starring with Larry David (his claim) nor his agency was against representing white, male comedians seeing they were representing goddamn Shane Gillis. The Youtube video of his act at the White House Correspondents Dinner was probably the biggest bomb I've seen. But nothing but Joe Rogan letting this guy treat the interview like some hugbox.
So let me get this right... You want Joe Rogan to fact check a guy that said his talent agency told him in a private conversation that they couldn't get him work because there were already too many white guys. What kind of fact check do you want Joe Rogan to do? "No, they didn't say that in the private conversation I wasn't there for."
It's also odd that you seem to think his story is that far-fetched when the hashtag "OscarsSoWhite" was trending a couple years ago and the Oscars literally put in rules that said if you had too many white people in your movie then you won't even be considered for an award. It's fairly straightforward to see how an industry that creates disincentives for having "too many whites" might lead to a talent agency to restructure its client list to make it a little less white. "They also represent Shane Gillis" isn't the refutation that you think it is.
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On October 14 2024 08:08 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 07:38 frontgarden2222 wrote:
Joe Rogan just believes anything that fits his pre-existing world view, even if it makes no sense if you take a minute to think about it. He's a Libertarian (who are really just Conservatives who don't have strong feelings about certain social issues one way or another at this point). So he'll think George Soros influencing politics to be a serious issue but completely handwave or dismiss Elon Musk or Peter Thiel doing the same thing. Or how he can't comprehend the Ancient Egyptians cutting and moving huge stone blocks because the extent of his construction knowledge ends with front loaders and a 18v Dewalt angle grinder.
Like his interview with that failed comedian who kept whining about how wokeness prevented him from being the next comedian superstar is a perfect example of his problems. Joe Rogan gave zero pushback in that interview, only going 'woah woke mind virus that's so wrong that's so crazy" when this comedian keeps telling him stories of talent agents obviousy gassing him up. Which is the real problem with Joe Rogan, someone like Joe Rogan should know how the entertainment industry works (talent agents gassing up their clients) but he apparently forgot about all of this because he really wants to believe this guy failed because the woke mind virus is standing in the way.
Fact checking doesn't really mean anything because Joe Rogan doesn't accept it. He just goes "oh cool" and immediately steamrolls past it with anecdotes. Its not a honest two way street between Joe and Jamie, he's not actually mentally curious.
One Google search would have told you this guy was absolutely not going to be co-starring with Larry David (his claim) nor his agency was against representing white, male comedians seeing they were representing goddamn Shane Gillis. The Youtube video of his act at the White House Correspondents Dinner was probably the biggest bomb I've seen. But nothing but Joe Rogan letting this guy treat the interview like some hugbox. So let me get this right... You want Joe Rogan to fact check a guy that said his talent agency told him in a private conversation that they couldn't get him work because there were already too many white guys. What kind of fact check do you want Joe Rogan to do? "No, they didn't say that in the private conversation I wasn't there for." It's also odd that you seem to think his story is that far-fetched when the hashtag "OscarsSoWhite" was trending a couple years ago and the Oscars literally put in rules that said if you had too many white people in your movie then you won't even be considered for an award. It's fairly straightforward to see how an industry that creates disincentives for having "too many whites" might lead to a talent agency to restructure its client list to make it a little less white.
The story is far fetched because you could see how bad this guy's act was. When he keeps telling Joe excuses his agency was giving him, the appropriate question is not asking no questions and just accepting "wokeness is stopping this guy from flying high" but "maybe you should have asked if the agency was blowing smoke up your ass when they claimed they nearly got you a starring gig on Curb but couldn't because they wanted non-white, non-male individuals".
You don't need to fact check that, you can immediately tell that the agents were doing what agents do in any industry - fluff their talents, fluff their efforts to find jobs for their talents, fluff the reasons they can't find their clients huge contracts. It happens all the time, athletes bet aganst himselves because agents gas their talents up only for them to sign awful contracts because the market actually has no use for them. But no mention of that in the interview.
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On October 14 2024 08:15 frontgarden2222 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 08:08 BlackJack wrote:On October 14 2024 07:38 frontgarden2222 wrote:
Joe Rogan just believes anything that fits his pre-existing world view, even if it makes no sense if you take a minute to think about it. He's a Libertarian (who are really just Conservatives who don't have strong feelings about certain social issues one way or another at this point). So he'll think George Soros influencing politics to be a serious issue but completely handwave or dismiss Elon Musk or Peter Thiel doing the same thing. Or how he can't comprehend the Ancient Egyptians cutting and moving huge stone blocks because the extent of his construction knowledge ends with front loaders and a 18v Dewalt angle grinder.
Like his interview with that failed comedian who kept whining about how wokeness prevented him from being the next comedian superstar is a perfect example of his problems. Joe Rogan gave zero pushback in that interview, only going 'woah woke mind virus that's so wrong that's so crazy" when this comedian keeps telling him stories of talent agents obviousy gassing him up. Which is the real problem with Joe Rogan, someone like Joe Rogan should know how the entertainment industry works (talent agents gassing up their clients) but he apparently forgot about all of this because he really wants to believe this guy failed because the woke mind virus is standing in the way.
Fact checking doesn't really mean anything because Joe Rogan doesn't accept it. He just goes "oh cool" and immediately steamrolls past it with anecdotes. Its not a honest two way street between Joe and Jamie, he's not actually mentally curious.
One Google search would have told you this guy was absolutely not going to be co-starring with Larry David (his claim) nor his agency was against representing white, male comedians seeing they were representing goddamn Shane Gillis. The Youtube video of his act at the White House Correspondents Dinner was probably the biggest bomb I've seen. But nothing but Joe Rogan letting this guy treat the interview like some hugbox. So let me get this right... You want Joe Rogan to fact check a guy that said his talent agency told him in a private conversation that they couldn't get him work because there were already too many white guys. What kind of fact check do you want Joe Rogan to do? "No, they didn't say that in the private conversation I wasn't there for." It's also odd that you seem to think his story is that far-fetched when the hashtag "OscarsSoWhite" was trending a couple years ago and the Oscars literally put in rules that said if you had too many white people in your movie then you won't even be considered for an award. It's fairly straightforward to see how an industry that creates disincentives for having "too many whites" might lead to a talent agency to restructure its client list to make it a little less white. The story is far fetched because you could see how bad this guy's act was. When he keeps telling Joe excuses his agency was giving him, the appropriate question is not asking no questions and just accepting "wokeness is stopping this guy from flying high" but "maybe you should have asked if the agency was blowing smoke up your ass when they claimed they nearly got you a starring gig on Curb but couldn't because they wanted non-white, non-male individuals". You don't need to fact check that, you can immediately tell that the agents were doing what agents do in any industry - fluff their talents, fluff their efforts to find jobs for their talents. It happens all the time, athletes bet aganst himselves because agents gas their talents up only for them to sign awful contracts because the market actually has no use for them. But no mention of that in the interview.
Oh, you didn't find his act funny. That definitely explains that they were just blowing smoke before deciding to open themselves up to a discrimination lawsuit.
It's already out in the open that they want fewer white people, as I explained in my previous post. The talent agency simply fucked up by saying the quiet part out loud, hence the lawsuit.
Also I guess I need to point out the super obvious thing that of course he's not the most talented guy. You seem to be under the false impression that if they need to trim the fat of having too many white guys then it's going to be Shane Gillis that gets the axe. That makes no sense. Why would you drop your most talented guys. If they are going to trim the fat it's going to be the bottom 10% of their "white guy talent pool" so the fact that you think this guy sucks is not at all incongruent with the idea that he didn't get hired because he was white.
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I edited my post to include a 3rd paragraph that address this point
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On October 14 2024 08:27 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2024 08:15 frontgarden2222 wrote:On October 14 2024 08:08 BlackJack wrote:On October 14 2024 07:38 frontgarden2222 wrote:
Joe Rogan just believes anything that fits his pre-existing world view, even if it makes no sense if you take a minute to think about it. He's a Libertarian (who are really just Conservatives who don't have strong feelings about certain social issues one way or another at this point). So he'll think George Soros influencing politics to be a serious issue but completely handwave or dismiss Elon Musk or Peter Thiel doing the same thing. Or how he can't comprehend the Ancient Egyptians cutting and moving huge stone blocks because the extent of his construction knowledge ends with front loaders and a 18v Dewalt angle grinder.
Like his interview with that failed comedian who kept whining about how wokeness prevented him from being the next comedian superstar is a perfect example of his problems. Joe Rogan gave zero pushback in that interview, only going 'woah woke mind virus that's so wrong that's so crazy" when this comedian keeps telling him stories of talent agents obviousy gassing him up. Which is the real problem with Joe Rogan, someone like Joe Rogan should know how the entertainment industry works (talent agents gassing up their clients) but he apparently forgot about all of this because he really wants to believe this guy failed because the woke mind virus is standing in the way.
Fact checking doesn't really mean anything because Joe Rogan doesn't accept it. He just goes "oh cool" and immediately steamrolls past it with anecdotes. Its not a honest two way street between Joe and Jamie, he's not actually mentally curious.
One Google search would have told you this guy was absolutely not going to be co-starring with Larry David (his claim) nor his agency was against representing white, male comedians seeing they were representing goddamn Shane Gillis. The Youtube video of his act at the White House Correspondents Dinner was probably the biggest bomb I've seen. But nothing but Joe Rogan letting this guy treat the interview like some hugbox. So let me get this right... You want Joe Rogan to fact check a guy that said his talent agency told him in a private conversation that they couldn't get him work because there were already too many white guys. What kind of fact check do you want Joe Rogan to do? "No, they didn't say that in the private conversation I wasn't there for." It's also odd that you seem to think his story is that far-fetched when the hashtag "OscarsSoWhite" was trending a couple years ago and the Oscars literally put in rules that said if you had too many white people in your movie then you won't even be considered for an award. It's fairly straightforward to see how an industry that creates disincentives for having "too many whites" might lead to a talent agency to restructure its client list to make it a little less white. The story is far fetched because you could see how bad this guy's act was. When he keeps telling Joe excuses his agency was giving him, the appropriate question is not asking no questions and just accepting "wokeness is stopping this guy from flying high" but "maybe you should have asked if the agency was blowing smoke up your ass when they claimed they nearly got you a starring gig on Curb but couldn't because they wanted non-white, non-male individuals". You don't need to fact check that, you can immediately tell that the agents were doing what agents do in any industry - fluff their talents, fluff their efforts to find jobs for their talents. It happens all the time, athletes bet aganst himselves because agents gas their talents up only for them to sign awful contracts because the market actually has no use for them. But no mention of that in the interview. Also I guess I need to point out the super obvious thing that of course he's not the most talented guy. You seem to be under the false impression that if they need to trim the fat of having too many white guys then it's going to be Shane Gillis that gets the axe. That makes no sense. Why would you drop your most talented guys. If they are going to trim the fat it's going to be the bottom 10% of their "white guy talent pool" so the fact that you think this guy sucks is not at all incongruent with the idea that he didn't get hired because he was white.
Yes, Shane Gillis gets work as a white male because he's generically competent most of the time. Same with a lot of white male comics who get work all over the place in the industry. They're not great a lot of the time but their floor is generally fairly high. The fact this guy is objectively hacky and 'being not talented' is a pretty good generic reason why this guy wasn't (allegedly) hired over minority comics who are far less hacky and have more generic widespread appeal.
If his talent agency is getting sued for malpractice, they should. There's no way they were close to getting a starring role for him on Curb nor was Curb refusing to have him on solely because he was white and male. That's ignoring all the other times they brought up that excuse because they couldn't land him a job and knew he would accept this reason hook line and sinker. That's the line of questioning that should be being asked during the Rogan interview, not talking about how this guy couldn't land a job when his DC Media Dinner gig is proof that his comedy chops just wouldn't work for the majority of content.
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Judging by local demographics, white guys make up a good 80% of any standup bill I’ve ever seen over here. So if you’re in the bottom 10% of that I can see your talent agency not hyping you up too much. Granted NI is so incredibly white we’d have big Neo-Nazi migration waves if it was more widely known.
It really depends on his act though as well. There’s white guys who do comedy, and there’s white guy bro comics and that’s a big part of the act.
There’s plenty of female comics I love and admire, there’s some I wouldn’t go to see because their act is very much tied into their being a chick and there’s not a huge amount for me there.
Maybe it is purely about him being white, my money would be that he’s doing pretty stock shtick while not being especially good at it.
I mean the entertainment industry has only ever been partly about talent, even if you do have it, do you fit other bills, can they sell your act etc etc. Plenty of talented musicians, actors etc over the years never got the shot they perhaps otherwise merited because their face didn’t fit various boxes.
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You can watch the DC Media Dinner gig, his act on Kill Tony, and Lady Ballers which he was a writer on (iirc). He can be alright and has some talent in impressions but resorts to the hackiest political shit way too often. Maybe that works on Gutfield but you're not getting long term gigs on ensemble cast sitcoms with those chops.
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