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On September 17 2024 20:22 Sadist wrote: Also oblade, the comment about the haitian guy hitting a woman putting out her trash in the morning and not being charged, what do you want him charged with? If he wasnt charged with a crime dont you think it was investigated and it was an accident? People arent always charged with crimes for car accidents even if they result in a fatality.
Manslaughter?
But was it manslaughter, or an accident that wasn't the driver's fault? Was there any evidence of negligent or unsafe driving? Was there any evidence about whether or not there was intent? More importantly: Why would the justice system fail to charge someone who could be successfully charged with a serious crime?
After a 5 minute google, the New York Post reports:
No charges were filed against the driver, as police and prosecutors ruled days later that he was not at fault.
Because "accidents happen" isn't as sexy to these people as the narrative that Haitian immigrants are roving around running over old ladies and running amok.
Not only should they be held to a higher standard of 0 crime or else get deported, we'll also just make shit up and say they committed crimes just to nail them to the wall.
But no wait, we can have positive conversations about immigrants in America! Happens all the time!
In my epic 5 minute Google session i found alot of references to Haitians being unfamiliar with driving laws in the US, to the point where accidents are increasing. This is not a situation of a crime spree by Haitians. It can be fixed without involving the justice system, and in a way that is positive for the community. Start an organisation (whether this is governmental, private or charity doesn't even matter) dedicated to teaching Haitians about US driving laws in locations where you find alot of new Haitian immigrants. You do this and ensure uptake by making clear that it is about the safety of the Haitian community as well as the local community as a whole. You get both Haitian immigrants who have lived in the US for a while and US born locals to run the scheme together, which will bring the communities together.
That's just an idea off the top of my head that isn't thought through properly, but its surely superior to saying 'Well look, the accident rate is increasing alot, Haitians must all be dreadful people and criminals, let's get rid of them'.
Few things are more effective at getting people to show up than if you give out food. Hell, I'd show up to stuff that has almost nothing to do with me if food was involved.
On September 17 2024 22:55 KwarK wrote: Driving in the US I can assure you that most Americans also appear to be entirely unfamiliar with US traffic laws.
Don't get me started on Philly drivers.
So what we're really talking about here is selective outrage, surprise surprise. If you took half the righteous fury being directed at Haitian immigrants right now and pointed it at other Americans you'd find twice as many things wrong. But certain folks believe some... interesting things about our immigrant population, and so we're going hardcore confirmation bias mode, and if you want to argue that Haitian immigrants aren't the problem, you need to prove a negative, or establish that they're morally and legally perfect people.
All this, because rather than dismiss out of hand Trump's insane choice to repeat a wild lie about Haitian immigrants, we need to wring our hands and clutch our pearls over what else Haitian immigrants might actually be doing to ruin America. Giving Trump and Vance exactly what they want: attention and distraction. They have no plans to examine the needs of immigrant communities and enact a plan, Trump showed up at the debate to parrot an absurd, racist lie about immigrants to fear monger and scapegoat about them, for the millionth time. And here we are, having yet another stupid argument about it.
On September 17 2024 09:59 Magic Powers wrote: Here's a breakdown of Trump's infanticide lie. It was a claim that made the rounds years ago among right-wingers and he tried to pick it up again for this election. Another example of taking a falsehood, turning into a straight up lie and blowing it completely out of proportion. Anyone who defends the things Trump says or does at this point is simply lost in an alternate reality. His supporters live in a fantasy realm.
Literally your video around 1:50 minute mark:
"The infant would be resuscitated if that's what the mother and family desired"
"On May 22, 2023, the Minnesota state legislature passed an omnibus bill—signed into law the next day by Walz—that repealed all six subdivisions added by the 2015 Born Alive Infants Protection Act as well as two of the three subdivisions established in the original 1976 statute. The bill left intact the first subdivision—which read “All reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice, including the compilation of appropriate medical records, shall be taken to preserve the life and health of the child”—but changed its language requiring medical personnel to “preserve the life and health of the born alive infant” to instead require medical personnel to “care for the infant who is born alive.” The bill also repealed many of Minnesota’s abortion reporting requirements, including information about born-alive infants."
Bolded is important because Palliative care is care. Italic - Why?
What's the problem? This is how we do healthcare for all ages of people, not just born alive infants with health problems. Anyone can have a Do Not Resuscitate. If you're not capable of making the decision for yourself, like a 90 year old with dementia or a newborn that can't talk then your next of kin makes the decision, not the government. Nobody speaks of "executing grandma" because her children decided she should be DNR so why do you think it's appropriate to speak of "execution" for a newborn with congenital defects.
Real life example of this, my grandma had an accident at age 90 that broke her ankle. She was in the hospital for around a week and appeared to be recovering. A necessary operation was planned and - after being told of what could go wrong - she told the doctor she would not want to be resusciated in case of a complication. Reason being that it could become a very damaging process that could make her remaining days a miserably painful experience if she survived. Unfortunately she did end up having complications, so protocol was followed and they let her pass away peacefully. No pain, no suffering.
With newborns it's a similar ethical dilemma. Force them to live an extremely miserable (and likely very short) life, or allow them to pass away in peace. There's nothing outrageous about this. It'd be outrageous to assume it's an easy decision. The parents suffer horrendously through this process, with feelings of guilt and shame often lingering years later. They don't just let their baby die for no valid reason.
Forcing life against all reason is brutality. It lacks all understanding and empathy.
On September 17 2024 20:22 Sadist wrote: Also oblade, the comment about the haitian guy hitting a woman putting out her trash in the morning and not being charged, what do you want him charged with? If he wasnt charged with a crime dont you think it was investigated and it was an accident? People arent always charged with crimes for car accidents even if they result in a fatality.
Manslaughter?
But was it manslaughter, or an accident that wasn't the driver's fault? Was there any evidence of negligent or unsafe driving? Was there any evidence about whether or not there was intent? More importantly: Why would the justice system fail to charge someone who could be successfully charged with a serious crime?
After a 5 minute google, the New York Post reports:
No charges were filed against the driver, as police and prosecutors ruled days later that he was not at fault.
But he was an immigrant, and aren't immigrants guilty until and including after proven innocent? Shouldn't they have a literally 0% crime rate? Maybe immigrants should be required to prove they're angels by flapping their wings seven times per day.
On September 17 2024 20:22 Sadist wrote: Also oblade, the comment about the haitian guy hitting a woman putting out her trash in the morning and not being charged, what do you want him charged with? If he wasnt charged with a crime dont you think it was investigated and it was an accident? People arent always charged with crimes for car accidents even if they result in a fatality.
Manslaughter?
But was it manslaughter, or an accident that wasn't the driver's fault? Was there any evidence of negligent or unsafe driving? Was there any evidence about whether or not there was intent? More importantly: Why would the justice system fail to charge someone who could be successfully charged with a serious crime?
After a 5 minute google, the New York Post reports:
No charges were filed against the driver, as police and prosecutors ruled days later that he was not at fault.
Because "accidents happen" isn't as sexy to these people as the narrative that Haitian immigrants are roving around running over old ladies and running amok.
Not only should they be held to a higher standard of 0 crime or else get deported, we'll also just make shit up and say they committed crimes just to nail them to the wall.
But no wait, we can have positive conversations about immigrants in America! Happens all the time!
In my epic 5 minute Google session i found alot of references to Haitians being unfamiliar with driving laws in the US, to the point where accidents are increasing. This is not a situation of a crime spree by Haitians. It can be fixed without involving the justice system, and in a way that is positive for the community. Start an organisation (whether this is governmental, private or charity doesn't even matter) dedicated to teaching Haitians about US driving laws in locations where you find alot of new Haitian immigrants. You do this and ensure uptake by making clear that it is about the safety of the Haitian community as well as the local community as a whole. You get both Haitian immigrants who have lived in the US for a while and US born locals to run the scheme together, which will bring the communities together.
That's just an idea off the top of my head that isn't thought through properly, but its surely superior to saying 'Well look, the accident rate is increasing alot, Haitians must all be dreadful people and criminals, let's get rid of them'.
The steps are rather: 1) The government again did something that the people didn't ask for 2) There are negative consequences the government, in its unlimited competence, still failed to anticipate 3) Instead of asking the government (or relying on a private organization or charity, to be fair to you) for a bandaid after the government cut you, reverse this and take away the government's ability to randomly do these things by itself forever.
Easy and obvious one is be careful giving temporary or other drivers' licenses to people many of whom don't speak English.
80% of Haitians have been resettled in red areas. Asylum carries a path to citizenship in just 5 years. The CHNV mass parole program is a way to take people who would otherwise be illegal aliens and magic wand them legal status - hence "parole." Another invention of Biden/Harris/Mayorkas are "Safe Mobility Offices" - SMOS are the US operating offices in countries that are safe enough to operate immigration offices, that are simultaneously so dangerous that "refugees" need help from them despite that a refugee would stay in the first safe country they arrived in.
On September 17 2024 20:22 Sadist wrote: Also oblade, the comment about the haitian guy hitting a woman putting out her trash in the morning and not being charged, what do you want him charged with? If he wasnt charged with a crime dont you think it was investigated and it was an accident? People arent always charged with crimes for car accidents even if they result in a fatality.
Manslaughter?
But was it manslaughter, or an accident that wasn't the driver's fault? Was there any evidence of negligent or unsafe driving? Was there any evidence about whether or not there was intent? More importantly: Why would the justice system fail to charge someone who could be successfully charged with a serious crime?
After a 5 minute google, the New York Post reports:
No charges were filed against the driver, as police and prosecutors ruled days later that he was not at fault.
If there was intent, it would be murder. My evidence of negligence is not using the steering wheel or brakes to avoid killing the grandmother.
Your skepticism is warranted but I don't understand why it's government-deferent. I assume you can drive a car. Let me reverse the question in a mostly serious, except for the beginning, way: It's morning and you're driving to work so you can contribute to the economy by remitting the pittance you got from undercutting a native's wages back to your vulnerable home country. You're a bit drowsy because it's 5:30am, going south on a 45mph road like this, when you bowling pin a grandmother to death who was crossing the road west to east (i.e., right to left from your perspective). https://maps.app.goo.gl/H2VVds5VkQ8q3wNBA
What do you think should happen to you? If nothing happened to you besides the DMV saying "Fix your expired license plates," do you think that would be justice?
As to why they wouldn't charge someone is easy - Every crime in this category that gets reported then becomes a point against the proponents of this. You can't just back down and say you were wrong. You charge a crime and you're attacking a vulnerable group. You get a conviction and suddenly you are spotlighting problems of your own creation. Man's first instinct is rugsweeping.
Increase housing demand has driven up rents, immigrants get rent subsidies from the government, and the mayor owns rentals in Littleton Properties of Springfield. The M.O. is easy - don't mess with that gravy train.
Is it still a bridge too far for me to suggest that we talk about immigration and immigrants like they're inherently bad? This is a banner conversation about immigrants if I've ever seen one.
On September 17 2024 20:22 Sadist wrote: Also oblade, the comment about the haitian guy hitting a woman putting out her trash in the morning and not being charged, what do you want him charged with? If he wasnt charged with a crime dont you think it was investigated and it was an accident? People arent always charged with crimes for car accidents even if they result in a fatality.
Manslaughter?
But was it manslaughter, or an accident that wasn't the driver's fault? Was there any evidence of negligent or unsafe driving? Was there any evidence about whether or not there was intent? More importantly: Why would the justice system fail to charge someone who could be successfully charged with a serious crime?
After a 5 minute google, the New York Post reports:
No charges were filed against the driver, as police and prosecutors ruled days later that he was not at fault.
Because "accidents happen" isn't as sexy to these people as the narrative that Haitian immigrants are roving around running over old ladies and running amok.
Not only should they be held to a higher standard of 0 crime or else get deported, we'll also just make shit up and say they committed crimes just to nail them to the wall.
But no wait, we can have positive conversations about immigrants in America! Happens all the time!
In my epic 5 minute Google session i found alot of references to Haitians being unfamiliar with driving laws in the US, to the point where accidents are increasing. This is not a situation of a crime spree by Haitians. It can be fixed without involving the justice system, and in a way that is positive for the community. Start an organisation (whether this is governmental, private or charity doesn't even matter) dedicated to teaching Haitians about US driving laws in locations where you find alot of new Haitian immigrants. You do this and ensure uptake by making clear that it is about the safety of the Haitian community as well as the local community as a whole. You get both Haitian immigrants who have lived in the US for a while and US born locals to run the scheme together, which will bring the communities together.
That's just an idea off the top of my head that isn't thought through properly, but its surely superior to saying 'Well look, the accident rate is increasing alot, Haitians must all be dreadful people and criminals, let's get rid of them'.
The steps are rather: 1) The government again did something that the people didn't ask for 2) There are negative consequences the government, in its unlimited competence, still failed to anticipate 3) Instead of asking the government (or relying on a private organization or charity, to be fair to you) for a bandaid after the government cut you, reverse this and take away the government's ability to randomly do these things by itself forever.
Easy and obvious one is be careful giving temporary or other drivers' licenses to people many of whom don't speak English.
80% of Haitians have been resettled in red areas. Asylum carries a path to citizenship in just 5 years. The CHNV mass parole program is a way to take people who would otherwise be illegal aliens and magic wand them legal status - hence "parole." Another invention of Biden/Harris/Mayorkas are "Safe Mobility Offices" - SMOS are the US operating offices in countries that are safe enough to operate immigration offices, that are simultaneously so dangerous that "refugees" need help from them despite that a refugee would stay in the first safe country they arrived in.
On September 17 2024 20:22 Sadist wrote: Also oblade, the comment about the haitian guy hitting a woman putting out her trash in the morning and not being charged, what do you want him charged with? If he wasnt charged with a crime dont you think it was investigated and it was an accident? People arent always charged with crimes for car accidents even if they result in a fatality.
Manslaughter?
But was it manslaughter, or an accident that wasn't the driver's fault? Was there any evidence of negligent or unsafe driving? Was there any evidence about whether or not there was intent? More importantly: Why would the justice system fail to charge someone who could be successfully charged with a serious crime?
After a 5 minute google, the New York Post reports:
No charges were filed against the driver, as police and prosecutors ruled days later that he was not at fault.
If there was intent, it would be murder. My evidence of negligence is not using the steering wheel or brakes to avoid killing the grandmother.
Your skepticism is warranted but I don't understand why it's government-deferent. I assume you can drive a car. Let me reverse the question in a mostly serious, except for the beginning, way: It's morning and you're driving to work so you can contribute to the economy by remitting the pittance you got from undercutting a native's wages back to your vulnerable home country. You're a bit drowsy because it's 5:30am, going south on a 45mph road like this, when you bowling pin a grandmother to death who was crossing the road west to east (i.e., right to left from your perspective). https://maps.app.goo.gl/H2VVds5VkQ8q3wNBA
What do you think should happen to you? If nothing happened to you besides the DMV saying "Fix your expired license plates," do you think that would be justice?
As to why they wouldn't charge someone is easy - Every crime in this category that gets reported then becomes a point against the proponents of this. You can't just back down and say you were wrong. You charge a crime and you're attacking a vulnerable group. You get a conviction and suddenly you are spotlighting problems of your own creation. Man's first instinct is rugsweeping.
Increase housing demand has driven up rents, immigrants get rent subsidies from the government, and the mayor owns rentals in Littleton Properties of Springfield. The M.O. is easy - don't mess with that gravy train.
I'm going to take the bolded bit first because its really easy.
This:
not using the steering wheel or brakes to avoid killing the grandmother.
Is not evidence of this:
negligence
And it is certainly, definitely NEVER evidence of this:
Manslaughter?
The following paragraph simply demonstrated how your obvious, demonstrable hatred of immigrants has led you to the false conclusion that hitting a person with a car is evidence of manslaughter in every case where someone is killed after being hit by a car.
The gap you have filled with speculation here is 100 miles wide.
You then go on to beat that record by speculating that the whole local justice system is involved in a conspiracy to refuse to charge Haitians with crimes without a single shred of evidence that this is happening at all.
I would argue that statistics posted above show that Haitians are in fact charged with crimes, which rather undermines your point, unless you think that it is only the most serious crimes that are being covered up by the nefarious corrupt local officials.
So for the italiced bit.
1 & 2 are reasonable points and I can understand someone objecting. That doesn't lead to 3 though. These are human beings who are here now and have been allowed to be here officially. You can't just turn around and deport them because you don't like Haitians and Trump says they eat cats, and one of them was involved in a fatal car accident. They are here legally. You have as much right to deport them as they have to deport you. This is why I suggested a solution that actually helps the situation, not an unrealistic right wing pipe dream that can't legally happen. Again I can understand the objection to this having been done, but it is done. If your long term fix is to stop government from being allowed to make policy, you'll be in for a shock if Trump gets in and finds he can't make policy.
The fact that you see the world this way is scary. Its how people get persecuted. What do you think is more likely, there is a grand conspiracy to not report crime of immigrants or that maybe this driver wasnt at fault? You dont know any of the facts of the case and you presume the person is guilty. You are no better than the people who assume that anytime the police shoots someone its unwarranted. I am sure you rail against those people, rightfully so.
I think I would sum it up as who we give the benefit of the doubt. Is it law enforcement officers, DAs, immigrants, etc. I think generally its a good idea to give everyone the benefit until proven otherwise. And to try to do that as an individual vs groups. I know it can be hard to do, as i personally have a hard time giving most republicans the benefit of the doubt. However, i think in that instance when everyone has the same message i think they lose the benefit of the doubt. I also dont give the people who say a cop shot someone and its always wrong the benefit of the doubt either. Gotta evaluate on a case by case basis.
In your case it seems like you dont wanna give immigrants the benefit if the doubt.
On September 18 2024 00:11 Gorsameth wrote: Wow, how many people have you now entered into a criminal conspiracy who all have to payed off to keep silent?
fucking hell, going off the deep end all to justify Vance saying Haitians are eating pets. FML
I didn't mean to imply anyone being paid off, just that the profiteer mayor has demonstrable interests in rental properties. It doesn't take a conspiracy - people are smart enough to fall in line to protect themselves and their ilk.
Most sides here at some point or other recognize that there is a two tiered justice system. Either divided along race, along party lines, wealth, or all of the above. We recognize it with the affluenza kid. The alleged video of cat barbecuing was Dayton, not Springfield, not done by Haitians, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about now if you follow. It's a fair question to anyone. You killed a grandmother collecting her garbage cans with your car. What do you reasonably think should happen to you?
On September 17 2024 20:22 Sadist wrote: Also oblade, the comment about the haitian guy hitting a woman putting out her trash in the morning and not being charged, what do you want him charged with? If he wasnt charged with a crime dont you think it was investigated and it was an accident? People arent always charged with crimes for car accidents even if they result in a fatality.
Manslaughter?
But was it manslaughter, or an accident that wasn't the driver's fault? Was there any evidence of negligent or unsafe driving? Was there any evidence about whether or not there was intent? More importantly: Why would the justice system fail to charge someone who could be successfully charged with a serious crime?
After a 5 minute google, the New York Post reports:
No charges were filed against the driver, as police and prosecutors ruled days later that he was not at fault.
Because "accidents happen" isn't as sexy to these people as the narrative that Haitian immigrants are roving around running over old ladies and running amok.
Not only should they be held to a higher standard of 0 crime or else get deported, we'll also just make shit up and say they committed crimes just to nail them to the wall.
But no wait, we can have positive conversations about immigrants in America! Happens all the time!
In my epic 5 minute Google session i found alot of references to Haitians being unfamiliar with driving laws in the US, to the point where accidents are increasing. This is not a situation of a crime spree by Haitians. It can be fixed without involving the justice system, and in a way that is positive for the community. Start an organisation (whether this is governmental, private or charity doesn't even matter) dedicated to teaching Haitians about US driving laws in locations where you find alot of new Haitian immigrants. You do this and ensure uptake by making clear that it is about the safety of the Haitian community as well as the local community as a whole. You get both Haitian immigrants who have lived in the US for a while and US born locals to run the scheme together, which will bring the communities together.
That's just an idea off the top of my head that isn't thought through properly, but its surely superior to saying 'Well look, the accident rate is increasing alot, Haitians must all be dreadful people and criminals, let's get rid of them'.
The steps are rather: 1) The government again did something that the people didn't ask for 2) There are negative consequences the government, in its unlimited competence, still failed to anticipate 3) Instead of asking the government (or relying on a private organization or charity, to be fair to you) for a bandaid after the government cut you, reverse this and take away the government's ability to randomly do these things by itself forever.
Easy and obvious one is be careful giving temporary or other drivers' licenses to people many of whom don't speak English.
80% of Haitians have been resettled in red areas. Asylum carries a path to citizenship in just 5 years. The CHNV mass parole program is a way to take people who would otherwise be illegal aliens and magic wand them legal status - hence "parole." Another invention of Biden/Harris/Mayorkas are "Safe Mobility Offices" - SMOS are the US operating offices in countries that are safe enough to operate immigration offices, that are simultaneously so dangerous that "refugees" need help from them despite that a refugee would stay in the first safe country they arrived in.
I'm not sure if that statistic is true or not, but it's definitely not representative of most migrant populations. Most live in blue regions, not red ones, and this fearmongering and hatemongering and sky-is-falling mentality from conservatives - simply because they have to deal with "new" people living legally in their neighborhoods - is xenophobic and dangerous.
For those who don't know:
"The immigrant population of most predominantly Republican “red” counties and swing counties is relatively small. Yet residents of red and swing counties are significantly more opposed to immigration – both legal and illegal – than are residents of predominantly Democratic “blue” counties, where immigrants are much more populous. The overall population of red counties is 93% native-born, with just 7% born outside the U.S. Fully 59% of red-county residents live in places where fewer than one-in-20 people are foreign-born. By contrast, blue counties have more than twice as many foreign-born residents (17% overall); about one-in-three blue-county residents (34%) live in areas where foreign-born people make up a fifth or more of the total population." https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2006/05/09/attitudes-toward-immigration-in-red-and-blue/
"A Newsy analysis found that of the estimated 11 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States, 57% were living in blue states, defined as places with Democratic governors, plus Washington, D.C. Fewer undocumented immigrants, 43%, were in red states with Republican governors. Even when accounting for population size, there are still higher per capita rates of undocumented immigrants in blue states, not red states." https://www.scrippsnews.com/politics/blue-vs-red-states-where-migrants-are-likely-going
On September 18 2024 00:11 Gorsameth wrote: Wow, how many people have you now entered into a criminal conspiracy who all have to payed off to keep silent?
fucking hell, going off the deep end all to justify Vance saying Haitians are eating pets. FML
I didn't mean to imply anyone being paid off, just that the profiteer mayor has demonstrable interests in rental properties. It doesn't take a conspiracy - people are smart enough to fall in line to protect themselves and their ilk.
Most sides here at some point or other recognize that there is a two tiered justice system. Either divided along race, along party lines, wealth, or all of the above. We recognize it with the affluenza kid. The alleged video of cat barbecuing was Dayton, not Springfield, not done by Haitians, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about now if you follow. It's a fair question to anyone. You killed a grandmother collecting her garbage cans with your car. What do you reasonably think should happen to you?
Back when I studied law one of the examples used in the intro course was manslaugther. I rember only one case in which a driver had hit and killed a person on a crosswalk.
Obviously guilty, right?
Only that it was dark outside, raining, the person hit was wearing a dark jacket and most importantly was crouching on the ground. Police found that the driver had been going at below the speedlimit at the time. Obviously still failed to react in time and the position of the person hit meant they died. Obviously found not guilty.
So the answer to your question is: It depends (on the circumstances).
On September 18 2024 00:11 Gorsameth wrote: Wow, how many people have you now entered into a criminal conspiracy who all have to payed off to keep silent?
fucking hell, going off the deep end all to justify Vance saying Haitians are eating pets. FML
I didn't mean to imply anyone being paid off, just that the profiteer mayor has demonstrable interests in rental properties. It doesn't take a conspiracy - people are smart enough to fall in line to protect themselves and their ilk.
Most sides here at some point or other recognize that there is a two tiered justice system. Either divided along race, along party lines, wealth, or all of the above. We recognize it with the affluenza kid. The alleged video of cat barbecuing was Dayton, not Springfield, not done by Haitians, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about now if you follow. It's a fair question to anyone. You killed a grandmother collecting her garbage cans with your car. What do you reasonably think should happen to you?
Anyone can lose control of their car, it happens regularly. People die. If a court decides you're innocent, then you're innocent, until a higher court overrules the decision. End of story.
On September 18 2024 00:11 Gorsameth wrote: Wow, how many people have you now entered into a criminal conspiracy who all have to payed off to keep silent?
fucking hell, going off the deep end all to justify Vance saying Haitians are eating pets. FML
I didn't mean to imply anyone being paid off, just that the profiteer mayor has demonstrable interests in rental properties. It doesn't take a conspiracy - people are smart enough to fall in line to protect themselves and their ilk.
Most sides here at some point or other recognize that there is a two tiered justice system. Either divided along race, along party lines, wealth, or all of the above. We recognize it with the affluenza kid. The alleged video of cat barbecuing was Dayton, not Springfield, not done by Haitians, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about now if you follow. It's a fair question to anyone. You killed a grandmother collecting her garbage cans with your car. What do you reasonably think should happen to you?
Anyone can lose control of their car, it happens regularly. People die. If a court decides you're innocent, then you're innocent, until a higher court overrules the decision. End of story.
On September 18 2024 00:11 Gorsameth wrote: Wow, how many people have you now entered into a criminal conspiracy who all have to payed off to keep silent?
fucking hell, going off the deep end all to justify Vance saying Haitians are eating pets. FML
I didn't mean to imply anyone being paid off, just that the profiteer mayor has demonstrable interests in rental properties. It doesn't take a conspiracy - people are smart enough to fall in line to protect themselves and their ilk.
Most sides here at some point or other recognize that there is a two tiered justice system. Either divided along race, along party lines, wealth, or all of the above. We recognize it with the affluenza kid. The alleged video of cat barbecuing was Dayton, not Springfield, not done by Haitians, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about now if you follow. It's a fair question to anyone. You killed a grandmother collecting her garbage cans with your car. What do you reasonably think should happen to you?
Anyone can lose control of their car, it happens regularly. People die. If a court decides you're innocent, then you're innocent, until a higher court overrules the decision. End of story.
That's the opposite of the 5th Amendment.
I wish my spine was able to bend and stretch like this.
On September 18 2024 00:11 Gorsameth wrote: Wow, how many people have you now entered into a criminal conspiracy who all have to payed off to keep silent?
fucking hell, going off the deep end all to justify Vance saying Haitians are eating pets. FML
I didn't mean to imply anyone being paid off, just that the profiteer mayor has demonstrable interests in rental properties. It doesn't take a conspiracy - people are smart enough to fall in line to protect themselves and their ilk.
Most sides here at some point or other recognize that there is a two tiered justice system. Either divided along race, along party lines, wealth, or all of the above. We recognize it with the affluenza kid. The alleged video of cat barbecuing was Dayton, not Springfield, not done by Haitians, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about now if you follow. It's a fair question to anyone. You killed a grandmother collecting her garbage cans with your car. What do you reasonably think should happen to you?
Anyone can lose control of their car, it happens regularly. People die. If a court decides you're innocent, then you're innocent, until a higher court overrules the decision. End of story.
On September 18 2024 00:11 Gorsameth wrote: Wow, how many people have you now entered into a criminal conspiracy who all have to payed off to keep silent?
fucking hell, going off the deep end all to justify Vance saying Haitians are eating pets. FML
I didn't mean to imply anyone being paid off, just that the profiteer mayor has demonstrable interests in rental properties. It doesn't take a conspiracy - people are smart enough to fall in line to protect themselves and their ilk.
Most sides here at some point or other recognize that there is a two tiered justice system. Either divided along race, along party lines, wealth, or all of the above. We recognize it with the affluenza kid. The alleged video of cat barbecuing was Dayton, not Springfield, not done by Haitians, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about now if you follow. It's a fair question to anyone. You killed a grandmother collecting her garbage cans with your car. What do you reasonably think should happen to you?
Anyone can lose control of their car, it happens regularly. People die. If a court decides you're innocent, then you're innocent, until a higher court overrules the decision. End of story.
That's the opposite of the 5th Amendment.
Isn’t that one the right to remain silent without an implicit assumption of guilt? As in “pleading the 5th”?
On September 18 2024 00:11 Gorsameth wrote: Wow, how many people have you now entered into a criminal conspiracy who all have to payed off to keep silent?
fucking hell, going off the deep end all to justify Vance saying Haitians are eating pets. FML
I didn't mean to imply anyone being paid off, just that the profiteer mayor has demonstrable interests in rental properties. It doesn't take a conspiracy - people are smart enough to fall in line to protect themselves and their ilk.
Most sides here at some point or other recognize that there is a two tiered justice system. Either divided along race, along party lines, wealth, or all of the above. We recognize it with the affluenza kid. The alleged video of cat barbecuing was Dayton, not Springfield, not done by Haitians, and has nothing to do with what we're talking about now if you follow. It's a fair question to anyone. You killed a grandmother collecting her garbage cans with your car. What do you reasonably think should happen to you?
Anyone can lose control of their car, it happens regularly. People die. If a court decides you're innocent, then you're innocent, until a higher court overrules the decision. End of story.
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