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When I said here days ago that Biden could order Seal Team 6 is abduct all SCOTUS members and hold them hostage in Gitmo, because they delayed the immunity ruling for 6 months, making it absolutely legal until it was ruled not legal, some regulars here called me a troll.
Now SCOTUS has affirmed that indeed this would be completely legal.
Who exactly is the troll now?
It is now up to Biden to use his 'official duties as president' to make sure Trump cannot become president. It is literally what Biden campaigned on and what his voters elected him to do.
What is needed now is to completely annul any ruling made by the current SCOTUS. Just wipe clean the slate on it. There is no fixing this. Appointing new judges now does nothing. Even if Biden wins and he just add 5 new justices to SCOTUS, they can't fix the damage done already. This SCOTUS needs to be ruled illegitimate and all their rulings need to be voided.
And yeah this doesn't help the documents case in any interpretation. And neither the fake electors case in any interpretation. Arguably, it gives Trump immunity for organizing the rally and giving the speech during Jan6. Or not doing anything while it was going on. Trump stole the documents when he was no longer president. And calling governors to pressure them to change the vote is not an official duty of the president. Niether is hiring lawyers to then find alternate electors.
So technically, this doesn't help Trump. In practice, they may find another way to break the rule of law so it does.
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On July 02 2024 02:08 Acrofales wrote:Apparently Mike Johnson said this with regards to the immunity case: Show nested quote +Today’s ruling by the Court is a victory for former President Trump and all future presidents, and another defeat for President Biden’s weaponized Department of Justice and Jack Smith. The Court clearly stated that presidents are entitled to immunity for their official acts. This decision is based on the obviously unique power and position of the presidency, and comports with the Constitution and common sense. As President Trump has repeatedly said, the American people, not President Biden’s bureaucrats, will decide the November 5th election. If Biden were truly trying to weaponize something against Trump, hasn't the SC just given him cart blanche to weaponize... well.. actual weapons against Trump now? Why bother with the judiciary route when they have literally given you the freedom to take the extrajudiciary one? It's incredibly dangerous, because we trust Biden not to take that route, but there's the very real possibility that Trump will. He has stated as much himself. So is it justified to throw Trump in Guantanamo in order to prevent him from becoming the first King of the USA, thereby effectively becoming the first King of the USA yourself? How on earth did the SC not consider the horrors they have just given blanket immunity for? This doesn't help Trump. It doesn't help his document case because while you might say he took them as President, that went away with this Presidency and he kept them, and refused to return them while he was no longer President.
And jan 6th was not a Presidential act.
all this does is force it to be send through the courts to determine if it is, or isn't official. They are buying him time to win the election while covering their ass in case he does not.
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On July 02 2024 02:11 Labraid wrote:
When I said here days ago that Biden could order Seal Team 6 is abduct all SCOTUS members and hold them hostage in Gitmo, because they delayed the immunity ruling for 6 months, making it absolutely legal until it was ruled not legal, some regulars here called me a troll.
Now SCOTUS has affirmed that indeed this would be completely legal.
Who exactly is the troll now?
It is now up to Biden to use his 'official duties as president' to make sure Trump cannot become president. It is literally what Biden campaigned on and what his voters elected him to do.
Well, technically they haven't ruled it'd be legal, just that the president would be immune from prosecution for his illegal heinous shit.
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On July 02 2024 02:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2024 02:11 Labraid wrote:
When I said here days ago that Biden could order Seal Team 6 is abduct all SCOTUS members and hold them hostage in Gitmo, because they delayed the immunity ruling for 6 months, making it absolutely legal until it was ruled not legal, some regulars here called me a troll.
Now SCOTUS has affirmed that indeed this would be completely legal.
Who exactly is the troll now?
It is now up to Biden to use his 'official duties as president' to make sure Trump cannot become president. It is literally what Biden campaigned on and what his voters elected him to do. Well, technically they haven't ruled it'd be legal, just that the president would be immune from prosecution for his illegal heinous shit.
When the president does it, that means it's not illegal
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On July 02 2024 02:14 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2024 02:08 Acrofales wrote:Apparently Mike Johnson said this with regards to the immunity case: Today’s ruling by the Court is a victory for former President Trump and all future presidents, and another defeat for President Biden’s weaponized Department of Justice and Jack Smith. The Court clearly stated that presidents are entitled to immunity for their official acts. This decision is based on the obviously unique power and position of the presidency, and comports with the Constitution and common sense. As President Trump has repeatedly said, the American people, not President Biden’s bureaucrats, will decide the November 5th election. If Biden were truly trying to weaponize something against Trump, hasn't the SC just given him cart blanche to weaponize... well.. actual weapons against Trump now? Why bother with the judiciary route when they have literally given you the freedom to take the extrajudiciary one? It's incredibly dangerous, because we trust Biden not to take that route, but there's the very real possibility that Trump will. He has stated as much himself. So is it justified to throw Trump in Guantanamo in order to prevent him from becoming the first King of the USA, thereby effectively becoming the first King of the USA yourself? How on earth did the SC not consider the horrors they have just given blanket immunity for? This doesn't help Trump. It doesn't help his document case because while you might say he took them as President, that went away with this Presidency and he kept them, and refused to return them while he was no longer President. And jan 6th was not a Presidential act. all this does is force it to be send through the courts to determine if it is, or isn't official. They are buying him time to win the election while covering their ass in case he does not.
Whether Trump's actions leading up to, and on, Jan 6 were official or private acts will now be litigated in courts until well after Trump dies of natural causes. But that is kinda irrelevant to what seems to be the main effect of this ruling, which is that the president can literally get away with murder, as long as they use an official government agency for it. Now previously they already could, but only foreign nationals. Now they can murder whoever they like, as long as it's "an official act". So they still can't hire a hitman on craig's list. But they can order the navy seals to do it.
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On July 02 2024 01:58 Gorsameth wrote:
So, since the President is immune while doing official constitutional acts, and the constitution declares the President is the Commander in chief, SCOTUS has just ruled that Biden in fact can order seal team 6 to assassinate Trump and the conservative supreme court justices while being immune to prosecution.
It seems that the most dangerous part is that federal cases can simply be decided by Trump's Supreme Court to always be "private" for Democratic leaders wanting to take action (not allowed, there are consequences) and always be "official acts" for Republican leaders wanting to take action (allowed, there are no consequences). Biden and Trump could literally do the exact same sketchy thing - not that Biden would have the stomach for it, but still - and the Supreme Court could just decide to punish Biden and not punish Trump, because the Supreme Court makes the final call. They could just make up a bullshit excuse, like "Biden tried it first in 2024 and that wasn't acceptable, but then Trump doing it in 2026 was acceptable because he was just reciprocating", or whatever arbitrary line the Supreme Court wants to draw.
Between the Supreme Court and Judge Aileen Cannon, Trump has been avoiding an insane amount of accountability. It sucks for us to keep saying "I told you so / I warned you" to the people who didn't vote for Hillary, and it's going to equally suck to say the same thing if Trump wins in November, because we'd much rather avoid a second dictatorial trainwreck. If only more people cared 
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It also means that if Trump becomes president again, he will fully exploit the fact that all his official acts are automatically legal. And it is trivial for Trump to make sure his crimes are official acts. His natural behavior is already to go up to the boundaries of his power and push them further. With this ruling, three's literally no guard rail left for Trump to even try to push against. Both in terms of all his official acts to always be legal. But also the fact that this SCOTUS always finds a way to throw him a bone and rule in his favour, no matter how extreme and illogical the juridical implications would be.
This SCOTUS pretty clearly signaled that their ruling means that Trump/conservative presidents are above the law, but Biden/Democrat presidents are not.
Trump asked SCOTUS to give him immunity for the Jan6 case. SCOTUS gave him absolute immunity for everything.
Add to that the fact that Trump will likely add 3 new SCOTUS justices.
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Northern Ireland25497 Posts
What are the historic rationales for the President being so protected legally, or able to dole out things like pardons?
I assume there are good reasons for the former, checks and balances and all that in a rather different polity, only they almost have the opposite of the intended effect in a the scenario we currently find ourselves in.
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There is none. It is ahistorical. And it has nothing to do with the presidential pardon power. The president had pardon power. But the president was never allowed to give out criminal pardons.
The 'reason' given is that they want the president to not have to hesitate when acting boldly. Without this ruling, a president would be in a court room all the time trying to defend their criminal conduct, in frivolous lawsuits. And to avoid that, the president would simply decide not to do anything. That's literally the argument.
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On July 02 2024 02:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2024 01:58 Gorsameth wrote:
So, since the President is immune while doing official constitutional acts, and the constitution declares the President is the Commander in chief, SCOTUS has just ruled that Biden in fact can order seal team 6 to assassinate Trump and the conservative supreme court justices while being immune to prosecution. + Show Spoiler +
It seems that the most dangerous part is that federal cases can simply be decided by Trump's Supreme Court to always be "private" for Democratic leaders wanting to take action (not allowed, there are consequences) and always be "official acts" for Republican leaders wanting to take action (allowed, there are no consequences). Biden and Trump could literally do the exact same sketchy thing - not that Biden would have the stomach for it, but still - and the Supreme Court could just decide to punish Biden and not punish Trump, because the Supreme Court makes the final call. They could just make up a bullshit excuse, like "Biden tried it first in 2024 and that wasn't acceptable, but then Trump doing it in 2026 was acceptable because he was just reciprocating", or whatever arbitrary line the Supreme Court wants to draw.
Between the Supreme Court and Judge Aileen Cannon, Trump has been avoiding an insane amount of accountability. It sucks for us to keep saying "I told you so / I warned you" to the people who didn't vote for Hillary, and it's going to equally suck to say the same thing if Trump wins in November, because we'd much rather avoid a second dictatorial trainwreck. If only more people cared
This is heinous.
Trying to twist not supporting someone actively engaged in genocide into "not caring enough" (among plenty of other legitimate reasons not to support Biden) is preposterous. Losing 2016 is completely on Democrats and those that supported Hillary through a sketchy primary knowing how grossly unpopular she was. Just like 2024 will be entirely on Democrats if they lose knowing they were nominating someone even less favorable than Trump, that most of their party didn't want to run, and is an active war criminal.
If Democrats actually "cared" they wouldn't be in this spot. Where they have to circle up around a clearly debilitated war criminal in Biden that they openly admit could be genocidal, murderous, and/or incapacitated/infirm and still get their vote. All while asserting that anyone who doesn't still support him despite those things and more just "doesn't care enough".
Democrats have no one but themselves (and Republicans) to blame for pied piping Trump into the white house in the first place. Same if they nominate someone they know people somehow like even less than Trump (as they are with Biden), and then lose to him.
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On July 02 2024 03:54 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2024 02:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 02 2024 01:58 Gorsameth wrote:
So, since the President is immune while doing official constitutional acts, and the constitution declares the President is the Commander in chief, SCOTUS has just ruled that Biden in fact can order seal team 6 to assassinate Trump and the conservative supreme court justices while being immune to prosecution. + Show Spoiler +
It seems that the most dangerous part is that federal cases can simply be decided by Trump's Supreme Court to always be "private" for Democratic leaders wanting to take action (not allowed, there are consequences) and always be "official acts" for Republican leaders wanting to take action (allowed, there are no consequences). Biden and Trump could literally do the exact same sketchy thing - not that Biden would have the stomach for it, but still - and the Supreme Court could just decide to punish Biden and not punish Trump, because the Supreme Court makes the final call. They could just make up a bullshit excuse, like "Biden tried it first in 2024 and that wasn't acceptable, but then Trump doing it in 2026 was acceptable because he was just reciprocating", or whatever arbitrary line the Supreme Court wants to draw.
Between the Supreme Court and Judge Aileen Cannon, Trump has been avoiding an insane amount of accountability. It sucks for us to keep saying "I told you so / I warned you" to the people who didn't vote for Hillary, and it's going to equally suck to say the same thing if Trump wins in November, because we'd much rather avoid a second dictatorial trainwreck. If only more people cared This is heinous. Trying to twist not supporting someone actively engaged in genocide into "not caring enough" (among plenty of other legitimate reasons not to support Biden) is preposterous. Losing 2016 is completely on Democrats and those that supported Hillary through a sketchy primary knowing how grossly unpopular she was. Just like 2024 will be entirely on Democrats if they lose knowing they were nominating someone even less favorable than Trump, that most of their party didn't want to run, and is an active war criminal. If Democrats actually "cared" they wouldn't be in this spot. Where they have to circle up around a clearly debilitated war criminal in Biden that they openly admit could be genocidal, murderous, and/or incapacitated/infirm and still get their vote. All while asserting that anyone who doesn't still support him despite those things and more just "doesn't care enough". Democrats have no one but themselves (and Republicans) to blame for pied piping Trump into the white house in the first place. Same if they nominate someone they know people somehow like even less than Trump (as they are with Biden), and then lose to him.
Repeating that Democrats are the only ones to blame, over and over and over again, doesn't magically make it true. There's plenty of blame to share, and while Democrats lack a backbone, Republicans are literally evil and non-voters are enabling them. I often critique Democrats for being bad at messaging and communicating their massive accomplishments, but plenty of people could also inform themselves a little bit more on the issues too.
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DeepHorizons, stop posting your MAGA moron dribble already! Everyone here hates you. Go take your 'Dems are comitting genocide'-card up where it is dark. I am so sick of seeing you so stuck in your "I am 15 and I am now a socialist"-phase. Grow the fuck up already. You aren't even a left winger or a progressive. And if there is still space, also shove your horseshoe up there too!
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On July 02 2024 04:23 Labraid wrote:
DeepHorizons, stop posting your MAGA moron dribble already! Everyone here hates you. Go take your 'Dems are comitting genocide'-card up where it is dark. I am so sick of seeing you so stuck in your "I am 15 and I am not a socialist"-phase. Grow the fuck up already. You aren't even a left winger or a progressive.
There's no need to post like this, no matter how unpopular GH's comments are.
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There absolutely is. This nonsense has been going on here for what, 8 years. There is a SCOTUS ruling and he suddenly starts to complain about dems committing genocide. You have 40 000 posts here. Where were you, saying what I am saying now, for these 40 000 posts?
In fact, you are using one of your 40 0000 posts to FUCKING DEFEND him. You should have 2000 posts just like the one I just made. And he would have learned, or left, years ago.
Shame!
In fact, let's ban both Kwark, the whiny little crybaby, and GreenHorizons. Put them were I put Danglers, DauntX, and all the other crazies. Send them to DisneyLand already.
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On July 02 2024 04:23 Labraid wrote:
Everyone here hates you.
Says someone that gets banned daily
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I am still here, and will be tomorrow, so what's the point. Maybe ban the morons and the bullies already. Where are DarkPlasmaBall's thousands of posts calling out Kwark banning me like 50 times this month? He won't, because he is a little coward.
Why are you guys still here if you hate me? I'll be the last one ever to post in this thread. I can guarantee you that right now.
Like I said, Dangerls and DauntX are gone. Why can't the same be true for Kwark and GreenHorizons?
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On July 02 2024 04:23 Labraid wrote:
DeepHorizons, stop posting your MAGA moron dribble already! Everyone here hates you. Go take your 'Dems are comitting genocide'-card up where it is dark. I am so sick of seeing you so stuck in your "I am 15 and I am now a socialist"-phase. Grow the fuck up already. You aren't even a left winger or a progressive. And if there is still space, also shove your horseshoe up there too!
GreenHorizons has a few highly controversial views, but the information that he draws from to come to his conclusions is far less controversial. Biden's administration is a colossal ethical failure. If Democrats keep clinging to election victories while being unwilling to change their foreign politics, they won't keep winning the hearts and minds of people forever. The youngest generations are completely fed up with them and even the older generations are seeing the moral cracks.
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Literally nothing about Biden's administration is a failure. I don't agree with him providing weapons to Netanyahu. But literally every US administration would have done that. And i don't agree with the decision to drip weapons into Ukraine and to take 2 years for Ukraine to finally get permission to strike into Russia. But the bigger problem with the US's Ukraine policy was that the house blocked the aid deal because Trump is Putin's little puppet boy and Trump picked up the phone and called the GOP speaker to block the funding. But those were both decisions carried out in highly competent ways.
There is literally no legal take possible to say that Biden is a war criminal for providing weapons to Israel. None.
It is an unhinged take that he just randomly drops in our faces as a pile of shit. If the debate were about Israel, because something happened there, he can say all he wants that he thinks Biden is a war criminal.
But this goes deeper. As with most of you here, something is wrong with his mental health that makes him do this. And the moderators do nothing about it. That's my point.
I'd be more civil. But I have done that for years over here. And only gotten shit. So I serve shit back. You'd think I am going to play nice when people here have tried to humiliate me here for years? Think again. I am going to slap you verbally so hard it will make your head spin. And that's all on you. It says a lot about the moderation here that literally crazy people like GreenHorizons can get tens of thousands of posts. But I can now only get about 10 or 20.
GreenHorizons never debates people who can actually debate. He goes and picks fights with the weakest debaters here. He always does. He is a coward.
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On July 02 2024 04:41 Labraid wrote:
Literally nothing about Biden's administration is a failure. I don't agree with him providing weapons to Netanyahu. But literally every US administration would have done that. And i don't agree with the decision to drip weapons into Ukraine and to take 2 years for Ukraine to finally get permission to strike into Russia. But the bigger problem with the US's Ukraine policy was thatt the house blocked the aid deal because Trump is Putin's little puppet boy and Trump picked up the phone and called the GOP speaker to block the funding. But those were both decisions carried out in highly competent ways.
There is literally no legal take possible to say that Biden is a war criminal for providing weapons to Israel. None.
It is an unhinged take that he just randomly drops in our faces as a pile of shit. If the debate were about Israel, because something happened there, he can say all he wants that he thinks Biden is a war criminal.
But this goes deeper. As with most of you here, something is wrong with his mental health that makes him do this. And the moderators do nothing about it. That's my point.
I'd be more civil. But I have done that for years over here. And only gotten shit. So I serve shit back. You'd think I am going to play nice when people here have tried to humiliate me here for years? Think again. I am going to slap you verbally so hard it will make your head spin. And that's all on you. It says a lot about the mdoeration here that literally crazy people like GreenHorizons can get tens of thousands of posts. But I can now only get about 10 or 20.
GreenHorizons never debates people who can actually debate. He goes and picks fights with the weakest debaters here. He always does. He is a coward.
God, you're such a narcissist. Trump has nothing on you. Clearly you are so in love with the sound of your own voice (or typing) that you go to the effort of making alt after alt to keep posting about politics in a videogame forum. What's wrong, is your ban from r/politics harder to subvert? Anyway, yet another alt on borrowed time. I also noticed you ran out of Homerian heroes. Quite a feat to get the entire Illiad worth of names banned.
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Northern Ireland25497 Posts
On July 02 2024 04:57 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2024 04:41 Labraid wrote:
Literally nothing about Biden's administration is a failure. I don't agree with him providing weapons to Netanyahu. But literally every US administration would have done that. And i don't agree with the decision to drip weapons into Ukraine and to take 2 years for Ukraine to finally get permission to strike into Russia. But the bigger problem with the US's Ukraine policy was thatt the house blocked the aid deal because Trump is Putin's little puppet boy and Trump picked up the phone and called the GOP speaker to block the funding. But those were both decisions carried out in highly competent ways.
There is literally no legal take possible to say that Biden is a war criminal for providing weapons to Israel. None.
It is an unhinged take that he just randomly drops in our faces as a pile of shit. If the debate were about Israel, because something happened there, he can say all he wants that he thinks Biden is a war criminal.
But this goes deeper. As with most of you here, something is wrong with his mental health that makes him do this. And the moderators do nothing about it. That's my point.
I'd be more civil. But I have done that for years over here. And only gotten shit. So I serve shit back. You'd think I am going to play nice when people here have tried to humiliate me here for years? Think again. I am going to slap you verbally so hard it will make your head spin. And that's all on you. It says a lot about the mdoeration here that literally crazy people like GreenHorizons can get tens of thousands of posts. But I can now only get about 10 or 20.
GreenHorizons never debates people who can actually debate. He goes and picks fights with the weakest debaters here. He always does. He is a coward. God, you're such a narcissist. Trump has nothing on you. Clearly you are so in love with the sound of your own voice (or typing) that you go to the effort of making alt after alt to keep posting about politics in a videogame forum. What's wrong, is your ban from r/politics harder to subvert? Anyway, yet another alt on borrowed time. I also noticed you ran out of Homerian heroes. Quite a feat to get the entire Illiad worth of names banned.
He can always go with Simpson I suppose
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