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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-20 11:43:35
February 20 2024 11:16 GMT
#82961
Trump supporter just created a GoFundMe page with a target of $355 million to aid Trump.

Donald Trump GoFundMe Raises $84K of $355 Million Target in 24 Hours

An online fundraiser for former President Donald Trump has racked up $84,354 out of a $355 million target in just 24 hours following the final judgement in his civil fraud trial in New York.

On Friday, Trump was fined roughly $355 million by New York Judge Arthur Engoron following a monthslong trial. The trial was to determine how much Trump and his associates would pay after New York Attorney General Letitia James filed a lawsuit in September 2022 accusing the former president, his two adult sons, Donald Jr. and Eric, The Trump Organization and two firm executives, Allen Weisselberg and Jeff McConney of fraudulently overvaluing assets to secure more favorable bank loans and taxation deals.

The former president was also barred from doing business in New York for three years. Other defendants in the case also faced financial penalties and were banned from doing business in New York for periods of time. Meanwhile, Trump, who is the GOP frontrunner in the 2024 presidential election, has denied any wrongdoing and claims the case was politically motivated.

Elena Cardone, the wife of real estate businessman Grant Cardone, made a GoFundMe page titled, "Stand with Trump; Fund the $355M Unjust Judgment" following Engoron's ruling.

Within 24 hours, the GoFundMe page has raised $84,354 from 2,170 donations. The highest donation, which was sent anonymously, was for $2,500. There were also quite a few $100 donations and some $200 donations. Meanwhile, others donated smaller amounts like $5 to $25.

Newsweek reached out to Trump's campaign via email and Cardone via GoFundMe for comment.

Cardone called herself "an ardent supporter of American values and an advocate for justice" who stands "unwaveringly with President Donald Trump" on the fundraising page.

"Now, more than ever, it's time for business owners and entrepreneurs to unite, to show our collective strength and resolve," she wrote. "Let's stand with Trump to ensure that justice prevails and that we continue to fight for a country that respects freedom, honors courage, and rewards the unwavering spirit of its people."

Meanwhile, Trump called Engoron "crooked" and James "totally corrupt" in a Truth Social post on Friday. His lawyer Christopher Kise told Newsweek that Trump plans to appeal the judge's ruling in James' "unjust political crusade against the front-running candidate for President of the United States."

Meanwhile, James called the judge's ruling "a massive victory" in a post on X, formerly Twitter, on Friday. She wrote in a follow-post: "No matter how big, how rich, or how powerful you are, no one is above the law. Not even Donald Trump."

Some donors left notes on Cardone's GoFundMe page, saying things like "Trump 2024!" and "Make America Righteous Again," which is a spin on Trump's campaign slogan "Make America Great Again" or MAGA.

Meanwhile, some people on social media mocked the fundraising effort.

"Wait... Wut.. Donald Trump, a supposed billionaire business man has a GoFundMe page??" asked X user @lflorepolitics. "The only thing more pathetic than this are his cult members who will actually help fund him by sending him money. Sad!"

"Let me get this straight, someone started a GoFundMe for the over $300 million that Trump owes, and people have actually contributed to it?" X user @BlueOC1981 wrote. "My god, the MAGAs are truly some of the dumbest people on this planet."


https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-gofundme-raises-84k-355-million-target-24-hours-1870940
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42497 Posts
February 20 2024 11:19 GMT
#82962
Not sure if you read your own post.
Elena Cardone, the wife of real estate businessman Grant Cardone, made a GoFundMe
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17959 Posts
February 20 2024 11:30 GMT
#82963
Sounds like a classic case of Make America Grift Again!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
February 20 2024 11:43 GMT
#82964
On February 20 2024 20:19 KwarK wrote:
Not sure if you read your own post.
Show nested quote +
Elena Cardone, the wife of real estate businessman Grant Cardone, made a GoFundMe


Fixed, thanks!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35130 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-20 13:05:26
February 20 2024 13:05 GMT
#82965
They'll get done at a blistering pace of over 11.5 years.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 20 2024 15:36 GMT
#82966
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Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21965 Posts
February 20 2024 15:44 GMT
#82967
On February 21 2024 00:36 JimmiC wrote:
Why does the super rich savvy business man need so many handouts and donations? I thought his incredible wealth was what made him so unbuyable? But everytime I see him he is personally living in opulence well begging for handouts from working class people.


I believe every wealthy person doesn‘t shy away from accumulating more even if they don‘t need it.

It scares me more that people exist who would donate to wealthy individuals. Here is how it works:

Would you donate to me if my gf shat in my bed and we went to court ?
What if Biden shat in Trump‘s bed, on the other hand ?
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24968 Posts
February 20 2024 16:04 GMT
#82968
On February 20 2024 20:30 Acrofales wrote:
Sounds like a classic case of Make America Grift Again!

It’s only a grift if you’re deceiving people, I can’t even concede grift chops if people voluntarily want to be such idiots.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-20 16:39:37
February 20 2024 16:29 GMT
#82969
I'm sure there are plenty of MAGA happy to pay for all of Trump's legal fees and fines, they've been doing it for a while lol

If I were to tell you I scam stupid people into giving me money for a living, would you be able to tell which industry I work in? Probably not. It's common knowledge among the rich and unscrupulous that there are no shortages of idiots in the world, and that a sucker is born every minute (2016 proved that and let the cat out of the bag, so to speak). Stealing money from these abundances of easy marks is as natural as breathing to them, and the reason why this practice is so pervasive. There are times even I have been tempted to do the same and retire early, but the thing holding me back is not being a complete piece of shit. For others, their conscience is a small price to pay for the lean, mean green.

It pays to be a little more paranoid with your money when everybody is out to deprive you of it, including your own bank with their hidden fees, utility companies overcharging you, or anybody trying to get out of refunding you (by putting you on hold for over an hour on the phone). That is, unless you go overboard and turn into Ebenezer Scrooge (before the ghosts), that's bad.
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6213 Posts
February 20 2024 16:45 GMT
#82970
On February 20 2024 22:05 Gahlo wrote:
They'll get done at a blistering pace of over 11.5 years.


They're not even covering interest at the moment lol.

https://twitter.com/TrumpLegalDebt

looks like +87k a day at the moment, so... grifting only.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland24968 Posts
February 20 2024 17:02 GMT
#82971
On February 21 2024 01:29 riotjune wrote:
I'm sure there are plenty of MAGA happy to pay for all of Trump's legal fees and fines, they've been doing it for a while lol

If I were to tell you I scam stupid people into giving me money for a living, would you be able to tell which industry I work in? Probably not. It's common knowledge among the rich and unscrupulous that there are no shortages of idiots in the world, and that a sucker is born every minute (2016 proved that and let the cat out of the bag, so to speak). Stealing money from these abundances of easy marks is as natural as breathing to them, and the reason why this practice is so pervasive. There are times even I have been tempted to do the same and retire early, but the thing holding me back is not being a complete piece of shit. For others, their conscience is a small price to pay for the lean, mean green.

It pays to be a little more paranoid with your money when everybody is out to deprive you of it, including your own bank with their hidden fees, utility companies overcharging you, or anybody trying to get out of refunding you (by putting you on hold for over an hour on the phone). That is, unless you go overboard and turn into Ebenezer Scrooge (before the ghosts), that's bad.

If you ever do give in to the urge to be a piece of shit, I promise I will haunt you :p

I mean obviously this does require me dying as well, which isn’t ideal.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3392 Posts
February 20 2024 20:36 GMT
#82972
On February 21 2024 02:02 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2024 01:29 riotjune wrote:
I'm sure there are plenty of MAGA happy to pay for all of Trump's legal fees and fines, they've been doing it for a while lol

If I were to tell you I scam stupid people into giving me money for a living, would you be able to tell which industry I work in? Probably not. It's common knowledge among the rich and unscrupulous that there are no shortages of idiots in the world, and that a sucker is born every minute (2016 proved that and let the cat out of the bag, so to speak). Stealing money from these abundances of easy marks is as natural as breathing to them, and the reason why this practice is so pervasive. There are times even I have been tempted to do the same and retire early, but the thing holding me back is not being a complete piece of shit. For others, their conscience is a small price to pay for the lean, mean green.

It pays to be a little more paranoid with your money when everybody is out to deprive you of it, including your own bank with their hidden fees, utility companies overcharging you, or anybody trying to get out of refunding you (by putting you on hold for over an hour on the phone). That is, unless you go overboard and turn into Ebenezer Scrooge (before the ghosts), that's bad.

If you ever do give in to the urge to be a piece of shit, I promise I will haunt you :p

I mean obviously this does require me dying as well, which isn’t ideal.

No thanks, you can keep your life. I already have a reality-cracking Overgod who's inhabited my mind and constantly torments me, and I don't need ghosts mucking up the equation.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
February 20 2024 21:01 GMT
#82973
On February 20 2024 20:19 KwarK wrote:
Not sure if you read your own post.
Show nested quote +
Elena Cardone, the wife of real estate businessman Grant Cardone, made a GoFundMe


Oh no. You know what? I actually know this woman. She was a business friend of my mom's. She's been on a steep decline into right wing craziness for years. Started when the Church of Scientology got their hands on her.

Sad to see.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 23 2024 02:10 GMT
#82974
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
February 23 2024 02:57 GMT
#82975
On February 23 2024 11:10 JimmiC wrote:
MTG, you think her tweets are so dumb they must be made up, but no she just keeps delivering the laughs and stupidity. Naughty girl wants Trumps NY judge to disrobe!

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-marjorie-taylor-greene-005700526.html


Maybe MTG has the hots for him.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 23 2024 03:06 GMT
#82976
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44158 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-02-23 13:24:43
February 23 2024 13:21 GMT
#82977
Apparently, Republicans colluded with Russia... again...

When a president commits treason, bribery, or other "high crimes and misdemeanors", they may be impeached by Congress. This happened to Trump twice: the first time was for abusing his power, obstructing Congress, soliciting foreign interference in the 2020 election, and withholding aid from an ally (Ukraine) to try and leverage Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelenskyy into lying about Joe Biden during the 2020 election cycle; the second time was for inciting the 1/6/21 insurrection, undermining democracy, and attempting to overturn the 2020 presidential election results.

All of this to say: For a president to become impeached, there must be a sufficiently extreme reason to warrant the impeachment.

After Biden became president, the Republican Party emphatically declared that they'd find a way to impeach Biden, just to get back at the Democrats (and the few Republicans) for impeaching Trump... even though it was Trump's fault for doing the things he did. The only problem for the Republican Party is that Biden hasn't actually committed any impeachable offenses. (One can argue about Biden's effectiveness as president, but he's done nothing anywhere near what the Constitution considers to be an impeachable offense.)

Since Biden hasn't actually committed any impeachable offenses, Republicans announced an "impeachment inquiry", where they desperately searched through Biden's irrelevant private life and his life before becoming president, in an attempt to dig up some dirt... despite the fact that a president can only be impeached for offenses committed *while serving as president*.

In other words, Republicans were starting with the conclusion that they wanted to impeach Biden, and then they tried searching for issues to impeach him over - which is exactly backwards from how the process is supposed to work (normally, the president does something impeachable, and then that triggers the impeachment process).

This investigation into Biden led Republicans to a fake informant, Alexander Smirnov, who lied about Joe Biden committing certain crimes before he was president (making it irrelevant to impeachment anyway). The Republicans started using Smirnov's irrelevant and false information to build a case against Biden, but it also turns out these lies were actually Russian propaganda. The FBI has indicted Smirnov, and the Republicans have (once again) technically worked with the Russians to try and undermine our nation (although, this time, it was more of an accident and out of carelessness, as opposed to the time when Trump and his administration shamelessly appealed to Russia).

A related article on the now-indicted "informant", Alexander Smirnov:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/special-counsel-charges-fbi-informant-lying-bureau-hunter-joe-biden-rcna139091
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
FriedrichNietzsche
Profile Joined January 2024
92 Posts
February 23 2024 13:53 GMT
#82978
I'm honestly not sure how we as a society can stomach the current and especially future technological advancements.. (deep fakes AI stuff ect..)..

Like "what is real/true" gets even tougher to gage than ever before. Truly menacing when you think about it deep and long.


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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 23 2024 15:20 GMT
#82979
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 24 2024 21:08 GMT
#82980
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