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On November 18 2022 04:56 Gorsameth wrote:
Incase anyone was doubting what the Republicans were going to do with control of the House.
Its Benghazi 11.0 as they go after Hunter Biden....
This does not look like a GOP going back to sanity after a win that was really a loss.
This is so fucking stupid and transparent. They don't even try to govern or do anything useful. Just nonstop mudslinging forever.
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It's just naked political attacks. None of them had this much impetus to investigate Trump's children and their shady as fuck business deals in foreign countries for (B)illions of dollars, who also happened to have appointed positions in Trump's cabinet as government officials. Not a single one of them cared. It's almost like they care more about power than any of their alleged principles. Fancy that.
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Christ, they're really gonna drag that story for 5 years? Joe's been in high level politics for 50 years and doesn't strike me as particularly principled or virtuous, surely there must be better material on him than his son's boring ass laptop.
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On November 18 2022 06:14 Dan HH wrote:
Christ, they're really gonna drag that story for 5 years? Joe's been in high level politics for 50 years and doesn't strike me as particularly principled or virtuous, surely there must be better material on him than his son's boring ass laptop.
It is something they know works. See "But her Emails!!" and "Ben Ghazi".
Once you have one thing, you keep going. Eventually, it looks dirty, or why would all those investigations have happened?
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On November 18 2022 05:28 NewSunshine wrote:
It's just naked political attacks. None of them had this much impetus to investigate Trump's children and their shady as fuck business deals in foreign countries for (B)illions of dollars, who also happened to have appointed positions in Trump's cabinet as government officials. Not a single one of them cared. It's almost like they care more about power than any of their alleged principles. Fancy that.
GOP and principles 😂😂😂
In som twisted way, they are actually doing their jobs. A lot of their voters have been craving for investigations the other way after all the January 6th hearings and Trump investigations.
Congress investigations are all about "who" now, "what" is almost irrelevant.
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On November 18 2022 06:34 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2022 06:14 Dan HH wrote:
Christ, they're really gonna drag that story for 5 years? Joe's been in high level politics for 50 years and doesn't strike me as particularly principled or virtuous, surely there must be better material on him than his son's boring ass laptop. It is something they know works. See "But her Emails!!" and "Ben Ghazi". Once you have one thing, you keep going. Eventually, it looks dirty, or why would all those investigations have happened? Exactly, they beat Hillary by endlessly running sham investigations to the point where ignorant people went "surely there must be something". They are going to do the same thing for the next 2 years to increase the odds of them beating Biden because "with so many investigations there must be some truth to the matter".
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United States24690 Posts
Will this GOP behavior finally backfire akin to how they didn’t do well in the midterms?
If not, can the Senate launch investigations? Why don’t they start investigating the families of all the ringleaders of all the renewed investigations into Hunter Biden? It’s no less silly.
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So there seems to be two different things that people are conflating
A) Hunter's laptop and whatever shady business dealings and profiteering he was doing
B) Whether the government (FBI) intentionally tried to kill the Hunter Biden story by trying to paint is Russian disinformation
"A" is snoozefest. That's basically run-of-the-mill corruption we've come to expect by now. To me, "B" is a really big deal. Mark Zuckerberg has gone on record saying the context behind Facebook suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story is that the FBI came to them and told them to be on high alert of an incoming dump of Russian misinformation and they thought that fit the bill. I don't know why Twitter also tried to suppress the story. I absolutely think it's worth investigating. If there was an intentional plot to censor the Biden laptop story leading up to the election by labeling it as Russian disinformation then it's basically a subversion of our democracy.
I don't really follow politics closely, but based on the tweet that Gorsameth posted it seems that they seem to be talking about "B" while everyone else here is strawmanning "A."
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United States24690 Posts
You think it's suspicious that the FBI warned Facebook about an incoming dump of Russian misinformation? Haven't we come to expect an incoming dump of Russian misinformation at all times on every social media platform as part of a concerted effort to defeat the United States?
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On November 18 2022 11:26 micronesia wrote:
You think it's suspicious that the FBI warned Facebook about an incoming dump of Russian misinformation? Haven't we come to expect an incoming dump of Russian misinformation at all times on every social media platform as part of a concerted effort to defeat the United States?
I think it's suspicious if there's supposedly a whistleblower saying that a group in the FBI hatched a scheme to label the Hunter Biden laptop as disinformation and simultaneously Mark Zuckerberg says they suppressed the story in the context of the FBI warning them about incoming disinformation. But yes I agree that we've come to expect Russian misinformation at all times on social media. That should make you wonder about the timing and reasoning of the FBI warning if it's something we all expect all of the time.
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If the warning was general in nature then no, it doesn't make me wonder at all. If the warning was "Hey Mark, we think the Russians are going to start spreading stories about Hunter Biden's laptop on Facebook, you better suppress them or else there could be legal consequences for you and everyone you hold dear," then I think we'd know that by now.
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On November 18 2022 11:26 micronesia wrote:
You think it's suspicious that the FBI warned Facebook about an incoming dump of Russian misinformation? Haven't we come to expect an incoming dump of Russian misinformation at all times on every social media platform as part of a concerted effort to defeat the United States?
You could respond to any headline about virtually anything in politics and insinuate that something nefarious is happening by simply calling it a cover-up. It's the perfect boogeyman in politics because it raises alarm bells without you ever having to say anything specific, or of any substance. You can literally not even know what you're talking about. Just take any headline that sounds innocuous(because the world is actually kinda just boring), and imply that it must be a cover-up or conspiracy because there's no such thing as coincidences.
Why would the FBI, an institution that is known to be more Republican than not and one that attempts to appear non-partisan, give a shit about Hunter Biden? When the story first broke it was barely confirmed that Joe was the nominee for president. Last I checked, he's a beneficiary of shitty nepotism who's otherwise minding his own business. If he was Trump's kid they would be praising his business acumen instead.
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On November 18 2022 11:53 micronesia wrote:
If the warning was general in nature then no, it doesn't make me wonder at all. If the warning was "Hey Mark, we think the Russians are going to start spreading stories about Hunter Biden's laptop on Facebook, you better suppress them or else there could be legal consequences for you and everyone you hold dear," then I think we'd know that by now.
We don't know if either of those were said or something in between. That's why I support investigation into the matter. I'm not the one that's strawmanning a line of questioning regarding FBI malfeasance as a witch hunt against Hunter Biden.
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I expect any investigation into suppression of stories about Hunter Biden's laptop to be as divorced from reality as Durham's investigation into crimes underlying Mueller's investigation and the repeated Benghazi commissions.
Republicans have burned all credibility. Grassley is claiming to have been contacted by whistleblowers, but I'm not sure I believe that. Claiming to have heard from people saying something when there wasn't anybody saying that thing has been a big thing for Republicans since Trump.
Grassley may have actually received real contact by people claiming to be whistleblowers, but that doesn't mean that they were real whistleblowers. They very easily could have been conspiracy theorists who saw a way to draw lines between things in a way that implies bad things about people they want to find bad things about.
And even assuming that they do manage to get an investigation going, I am unconvinced that they are going to have any interest in pursuing truth as opposed to creating the appearance of wrongdoing or attempting to find fodder for their base to "draw their own conclusions" from.
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Anyone giving the Republicans the benefit of the doubt for any investigation is sniffing glue. Seriously, they have lost any semblance of respectability years ago.
This is a nothingburger and needs to be treated by EVERYONE as such until the republicans begin to earn back even a shred of credibility.
Oh and on the 0.0001% chance there were crimes all involved parties should be punished to the fullest extent of the law. Youll never hear republicans say that about the orange fuhrer in chief or any of his other goons he tried to pardon. Speaking of which, guess its time for some preemptive pardons for Biden am I right?
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On November 18 2022 11:18 BlackJack wrote:
So there seems to be two different things that people are conflating
A) Hunter's laptop and whatever shady business dealings and profiteering he was doing
B) Whether the government (FBI) intentionally tried to kill the Hunter Biden story by trying to paint is Russian disinformation
"A" is snoozefest. That's basically run-of-the-mill corruption we've come to expect by now. To me, "B" is a really big deal. Mark Zuckerberg has gone on record saying the context behind Facebook suppressing the Hunter Biden laptop story is that the FBI came to them and told them to be on high alert of an incoming dump of Russian misinformation and they thought that fit the bill. I don't know why Twitter also tried to suppress the story. I absolutely think it's worth investigating. If there was an intentional plot to censor the Biden laptop story leading up to the election by labeling it as Russian disinformation then it's basically a subversion of our democracy.
I don't really follow politics closely, but based on the tweet that Gorsameth posted it seems that they seem to be talking about "B" while everyone else here is strawmanning "A." B only matters is if it wasn't disinformation to begin with.
Considering how long certain Republicans had the laptop and never ever came out with anything actually damaging from it I'm going to go with it being a nothing burger to begin with, and then Russia doing what Russia does and jump on it with a disinformation campaign to try and help Trump and further divide their enemy, the US.
At which point the FBI warning Facebook that such a disinformation campaign is happening makes perfect sense.
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