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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
November 16 2022 03:08 GMT
#76401
Well strap yourselves in everyone Trump just announced his campaign for president in 2024. Mccarthy won a leadership election for speaker as well. However, Gaetz has said that Mccarthy does not have 200 votes to become speaker of the house.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24780 Posts
November 16 2022 03:11 GMT
#76402
Can someone remind me what happens if they put McCarthy up to a vote and he falls short? I recall this being discussed a few years back how that is really bad for the party which fails, but I can't remember the details...
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
November 16 2022 04:37 GMT
#76403
Basically there will be a new vote for Speaker of the House until someone gets a majority. There have only been 2 Houses to ever have a speaker that didn't win a majority vote and that was because they had done an insane number of votes for speaker at that point (63 calls to vote for the 31st House and 133 for the 34th House). There have only been 14 Houses that needed multiple votes for Speaker for someone to get a majority and the last time happened in the mid 1920's. Whoever wins Speaker decides what bills get brought to the floor, so losing Speaker means the GOP no longer gets to dictate their agenda on the House floor.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
November 16 2022 06:47 GMT
#76404
Yeah electing a speaker is the basics of running a majority party, they'll eventually find a compromise because the alternative is no majority power.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
November 16 2022 08:27 GMT
#76405
Trump's announcement getting zero attention because of the missiles in Poland it looks like. Or perhaps people no longer care about Trump, also possible.
Either way I expect he is quite mad at the lack of attention.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
November 16 2022 13:26 GMT
#76406
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Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
1974 Posts
November 16 2022 14:11 GMT
#76407
On November 16 2022 12:08 Sermokala wrote:
Well strap yourselves in everyone Trump just announced his campaign for president in 2024. Mccarthy won a leadership election for speaker as well. However, Gaetz has said that Mccarthy does not have 200 votes to become speaker of the house.


I can't see a world where he wins, and this election could not have gone much worse for him, he is now irrelevant as a politician, with his party abandoning him.

The good news, the "election deniers" might have been opportunists rather than true believers. Now when that narrative did not win them elections, they might just abandon it all together.

Unfortunately, his announcement means even more Trump in the media, and he'll say a lot of outrageous things to steal headlines.

Bah.
Buff the siegetank
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 16 2022 15:06 GMT
#76408
Republicans taking the House seems increasingly likely, however they haven't done it just yet. They're still at 217 as of this morning.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10915 Posts
November 16 2022 17:48 GMT
#76409
How damn slow are they actually counting.

When we vote in switzerland we usually know the results between 15.00 to 17.00 of the same day.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14155 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-16 18:16:23
November 16 2022 18:15 GMT
#76410
On November 17 2022 02:48 Velr wrote:
How damn slow are they actually counting.

When we vote in switzerland we usually know the results between 15.00 to 17.00 of the same day.

Republicans undermine any sort of election reform and insist on counting paper balots in the first counting. They could start counting mail-in ballots beforehand and digitize counting with a paper backup but republicans insist that would cause more fraud. Trump literally said that higher voting levels would hurt republicans.

And again states do the elections themselves and then delegate it to the counties to run in most cases. Some states are just bad at it or get bad at it. Most nations do the elections at the federal level and have a unified system for everything below them to do it in the same way.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22448 Posts
November 16 2022 18:17 GMT
#76411
On November 17 2022 02:48 Velr wrote:
How damn slow are they actually counting.

When we vote in switzerland we usually know the results between 15.00 to 17.00 of the same day.
The actual counting is quick, from what I understand the issue that takes so long is mail-in ballots that were invalid where the voter is given a chance to fix them so they can still be counted.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
November 16 2022 18:20 GMT
#76412
On November 17 2022 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2022 02:48 Velr wrote:
How damn slow are they actually counting.

When we vote in switzerland we usually know the results between 15.00 to 17.00 of the same day.
The actual counting is quick, from what I understand the issue that takes so long is mail-in ballots that were invalid where the voter is given a chance to fix them so they can still be counted.

Curing ballots that would otherwise be discarded is going to end up being a big factor in whether Boebert is reelected, for instance.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11913 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-16 18:59:55
November 16 2022 18:58 GMT
#76413
On November 17 2022 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2022 02:48 Velr wrote:
How damn slow are they actually counting.

When we vote in switzerland we usually know the results between 15.00 to 17.00 of the same day.
The actual counting is quick, from what I understand the issue that takes so long is mail-in ballots that were invalid where the voter is given a chance to fix them so they can still be counted.


How does that actually work with elections being secret? Ideally at the point where you notice that the ballot is invalid, you no longer know who sent it.

And it is kind of weird imo. Here in Germany, ballots which have not arrived by 18:00 on election day are not counted. But on the other hand, our systems also work, so this is only a problem if you are too stupid to put your ballot in the mail 2 days before. And even then you could still vote on election day.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-16 20:06:14
November 16 2022 20:05 GMT
#76414
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22448 Posts
November 16 2022 20:28 GMT
#76415
On November 17 2022 03:58 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2022 03:17 Gorsameth wrote:
On November 17 2022 02:48 Velr wrote:
How damn slow are they actually counting.

When we vote in switzerland we usually know the results between 15.00 to 17.00 of the same day.
The actual counting is quick, from what I understand the issue that takes so long is mail-in ballots that were invalid where the voter is given a chance to fix them so they can still be counted.


How does that actually work with elections being secret? Ideally at the point where you notice that the ballot is invalid, you no longer know who sent it.

And it is kind of weird imo. Here in Germany, ballots which have not arrived by 18:00 on election day are not counted. But on the other hand, our systems also work, so this is only a problem if you are too stupid to put your ballot in the mail 2 days before. And even then you could still vote on election day.
I have no experience with it, I'm not in the US but what from little I have seen of it mentioned online it is, as mentioned before me, often about signatures. Its about identification prior to opening the actual ballot to prevent fraudulent votes, and not about the actual checkmark on the ballot being wrong, because indeed at that point you should no longer be able to know who the voter is.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28850 Posts
November 16 2022 22:42 GMT
#76416
Murdoch vs Trump is gearing up to be wonderful.

First there was this:[image loading]

And today they covered Trump’s presidential bid with a small note on the front page reading 'Florida man makes announcement', before describing him as a retired golfer, mar-a-Lago as a classified documents library, and mocked his eating habits (his cholesterol levels are unknown, but his favorite food is a charred steak with ketchup). Obviously the NY post is still as garbagy of a tabloid as it gets - but them eviscerating Trump is highly amusing. And promising, too - I can't picture Trump winning with murdoch media absolutely killing him, I have a very hard time picturing the Trump cultists - many in number - supporting other candidates if Trump gets this treatment, and I can't picture Trump abandoning ship quietly if he is disgraced by his own.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24114 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-17 00:40:07
November 16 2022 23:02 GMT
#76417
Probably boils down to how fast they can strip the field to just Trump and DeSantis. Considering how bad everyone else polls it's plausible they all drop out before primary voting starts and DeSantis can run on electability with basically the same (or worse) political prescriptions as Trump.

It's also possible DeSantis believes that, with all things considered, he's better off waiting for 2028 and being the obvious frontrunner instead of a 2024 no holds barred brawl with Trump while Democrats (with varying amounts of reluctancy) rally around Biden.

Without DeSantis in the race Trump is hands down the nominee (probably even if he were in jail).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 16 2022 23:23 GMT
#76418
I really don't think Desantis is running. He has no incentive to. This will no matter what be the last time Trump runs. Desantis already said he won't run against Trump. He is young enough to just bide his time, stay in the spotlight, continue networking, and then go all-in in 2028.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 16 2022 23:57 GMT
#76419
Desantis is immensely popular with the base, he's coming off a huge win, and he can possible face a very weak opponent in Biden. Who knows if any of that will still be true in 6 years. There's plenty of good reasons for why he should run. The problem is there is just 1 big reason not to.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
November 17 2022 00:36 GMT
#76420
Yes, and I think that 1 big reason is just a really, really big reason. Its just a huge risk. Either Desantis is able to cannibalize Trump and essentially be the king of the republican party, or he gets sent to the void realm. Or he just waits 4 years and probably has a great shot. I think Desantis has too much to lose.
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