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On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried.
Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis.
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On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried. Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis.
Maybe Biden should consider declaring martial law over this Roe v Wade issue? It's gone far enough that maybe a constitutional crisis is the least of our woes.
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On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried. Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis. And? Its hard to argue there is another way to fix the political nature of the supreme court then to expose it for all to see and let it blow up.
SCOTUS isn't supposed to be political, but it is and the mask is off. That genie ain't going back in its bottle without changing the system and Republicans have no incentive to do so and every incentive to keep this going for as long as possible.
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On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit. Better late than never. If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action. Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one? This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same. It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats'). Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution). Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape.
I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts?
Fucking rich.
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On June 25 2022 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
I thought maybe Democrats had some sort of plan, but it really is just "Maybe you'll get your bodily autonomy back in a decade or so?" with a side of "protest more politely" and "Vote!"
Did you have some sort of plan when you deployed as much energy as you could to convince people not to vote for Clinton and kept parroting Bernie or Burst rethoric?
Vote! was the fucking solution. Now it’s too late.
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On June 25 2022 03:10 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 02:48 StasisField wrote:
I know the other day I stated I was going to wait for the upcoming Texas elections to play out before I made up my mind about leaving, but after today I'm going to start lookin for ways out of here. My girlfriend and I were talking about getting out of the country last night. We both want out of this place before the empire truly, finally crumbles into dust and there's nothing left. Come to Belgium and we can create a village of Texan refugees lol
We just might. How difficult was the process?
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On June 25 2022 03:22 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit. Better late than never. If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action. Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one? This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same. It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats'). Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution). Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape. I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts? Fucking rich. I can't believe that's my reputation lol You know, I think a lot about the buildup to the Holocaust and today has pretty much cemented that that's our current trajectory unless we stop it. We as Jews frequently say never again, and it's honestly time we put actions to words
I thought I remember you saying you were a Sikh?
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On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit. Better late than never. If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action. Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one? This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same. It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats'). Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution). Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape. I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts? Fucking rich.
I said "your reactionary clinging to electoralism". What you're advocating isn't a revolution, it's status quo politics. You're advocating using the existing system/party to elect people that better represent your views.
I certainly don't see myself as a Fred Hampton, of that I can assure you. I'm just one of millions of people around the world in an ongoing movement to build a global proletariat revolution you should join instead of obliviously besmirching.
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On June 25 2022 03:22 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit. Better late than never. If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action. Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one? This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same. It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats'). Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution). Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape. I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts? Fucking rich. I can't believe that's my reputation lol You know, I think a lot about the buildup to the Holocaust and today has pretty much cemented that that's our current trajectory unless we stop it. We as Jews frequently say never again, and it's honestly time we put actions to words
I have a friend who’s putting up a Ukrainian family, perhaps I can do my part by hosting various Liquidian US asylum seekers.
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On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried. Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis.
Where in the constitution does it define the size of the court?
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On June 25 2022 03:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
I thought maybe Democrats had some sort of plan, but it really is just "Maybe you'll get your bodily autonomy back in a decade or so?" with a side of "protest more politely" and "Vote!" Did you have some sort of plan when you deployed as much energy as you could to convince people not to vote for Clinton and kept parroting Bernie or Burst rethoric? Vote! was the fucking solution. Now it’s too late.
People did vote though, Bernie or bust seems a reasonable accurate assessment of things with hindsight, for many Americans anyway.
If it were not for the active danger to the trans community, the no-doubt incoming pushback on gay civil rights, the existing pushback on woman’s autonomy, I wouldn’t see a huge amount of reason to vote for the Democratic Party.
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On June 25 2022 03:22 plasmidghost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit. Better late than never. If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action. Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one? This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same. It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats'). Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution). Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape. I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts? Fucking rich. I can't believe that's my reputation lol You know, I think a lot about the buildup to the Holocaust and today has pretty much cemented that that's our current trajectory unless we stop it. We as Jews frequently say never again, and it's honestly time we put actions to words
I only think that because you show the most passion for the causes that are dear to you. You've given us examples and ample anecdotes of what you've done. I don't question your authenticity in this matter. While you understand the dangers you face in this country, you still fight and aren't hiding about it. So if things got to that point, I could definitely see you tossing a few. It's more respect than anointing a reputation to you.
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On June 25 2022 03:36 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 03:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 25 2022 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
I thought maybe Democrats had some sort of plan, but it really is just "Maybe you'll get your bodily autonomy back in a decade or so?" with a side of "protest more politely" and "Vote!" Did you have some sort of plan when you deployed as much energy as you could to convince people not to vote for Clinton and kept parroting Bernie or Burst rethoric? Vote! was the fucking solution. Now it’s too late. People did vote though, Bernie or bust seems a reasonable accurate assessment of things with hindsight, for many Americans anyway. If it were not for the active danger to the trans community, the no-doubt incoming pushback on gay civil rights, the existing pushback on woman’s autonomy, I wouldn’t see a huge amount of reason to vote for the Democratic Party.
The impending environmental collapse is also an issue.
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On June 25 2022 03:35 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried. Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis. Where in the constitution does it define the size of the court?
I believe it’s in the section before it defines nominations in the final year of a Presidential term as being constitutional/unconstitutional depending on various celestial alignments and which race the current GSL champion is playing.
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On June 25 2022 03:36 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 03:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:On June 25 2022 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
I thought maybe Democrats had some sort of plan, but it really is just "Maybe you'll get your bodily autonomy back in a decade or so?" with a side of "protest more politely" and "Vote!" Did you have some sort of plan when you deployed as much energy as you could to convince people not to vote for Clinton and kept parroting Bernie or Burst rethoric? Vote! was the fucking solution. Now it’s too late. People did vote though, Bernie or bust seems a reasonable accurate assessment of things with hindsight, for many Americans anyway. If it were not for the active danger to the trans community, the no-doubt incoming pushback on gay civil rights, the existing pushback on woman’s autonomy, I wouldn’t see a huge amount of reason to vote for the Democratic Party.
You could see this result coming a mile away if you looked for it. I called it the moment trump was elected that this would be the way it would turn out over time. The frenzy was whipped and no one paid it any mind. Now they are and it's going to cost a lot of innocent lives. You can have your stances and principles, but now you have to sit there quietly, while those who sounded the alarm, cried wolf, etc try to save this experiment. I for one will enjoy my deluxe album of "Nero Fiddled while Rome Burned."
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On June 25 2022 03:35 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried. Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis. Where in the constitution does it define the size of the court?
Doesnt really matter. It sort of is the law of the land (like roe vs wade was also asumed to be i guess).
If Biden stacks the court there would be an outrage that would pale the storming of the capitol. I dont see how it is realistically possible without the usa collapsing into chaos.
There is a real opportunity now i feel for what GH would like to see. Not so much a revolution but at least something different from traditional politics. It has come to the point where the lesser of two evils is no longer good enough for a rather substantial part of the population. At least that is my impression (which could very well be wrong).
Unions are gaining strenght in the USA right now and that process will most likely continue. Maybe that movement could grow into something substantial. Besides unions i dont see anything else that could possibly gain enough momentum.
This without saying i would personally favor this.
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