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pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
June 24 2022 17:57 GMT
#73681
On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried.


Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
June 24 2022 18:01 GMT
#73682
On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried.


Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis.

Maybe Biden should consider declaring martial law over this Roe v Wade issue? It's gone far enough that maybe a constitutional crisis is the least of our woes.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21707 Posts
June 24 2022 18:03 GMT
#73683
On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried.


Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis.
And? Its hard to argue there is another way to fix the political nature of the supreme court then to expose it for all to see and let it blow up.

SCOTUS isn't supposed to be political, but it is and the mask is off. That genie ain't going back in its bottle without changing the system and Republicans have no incentive to do so and every incentive to keep this going for as long as possible.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8986 Posts
June 24 2022 18:04 GMT
#73684
On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit.

Better late than never.

If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action.

Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one?

This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same.

It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats').

Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution).

Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape.

I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts?

Fucking rich.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-24 18:10:46
June 24 2022 18:10 GMT
#73685
On June 25 2022 02:48 StasisField wrote:
I know the other day I stated I was going to wait for the upcoming Texas elections to play out before I made up my mind about leaving, but after today I'm going to start lookin for ways out of here. My girlfriend and I were talking about getting out of the country last night. We both want out of this place before the empire truly, finally crumbles into dust and there's nothing left.

Come to Belgium and we can create a village of Texan refugees lol
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7890 Posts
June 24 2022 18:16 GMT
#73686
On June 25 2022 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
I thought maybe Democrats had some sort of plan, but it really is just "Maybe you'll get your bodily autonomy back in a decade or so?" with a side of "protest more politely" and "Vote!"

Did you have some sort of plan when you deployed as much energy as you could to convince people not to vote for Clinton and kept parroting Bernie or Burst rethoric?

Vote! was the fucking solution. Now it’s too late.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 24 2022 18:22 GMT
#73687
On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit.

Better late than never.

If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action.

Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one?

This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same.

It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats').

Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution).

Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape.

I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts?

Fucking rich.

I can't believe that's my reputation lol

You know, I think a lot about the buildup to the Holocaust and today has pretty much cemented that that's our current trajectory unless we stop it. We as Jews frequently say never again, and it's honestly time we put actions to words
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
June 24 2022 18:25 GMT
#73688
On June 25 2022 03:10 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 02:48 StasisField wrote:
I know the other day I stated I was going to wait for the upcoming Texas elections to play out before I made up my mind about leaving, but after today I'm going to start lookin for ways out of here. My girlfriend and I were talking about getting out of the country last night. We both want out of this place before the empire truly, finally crumbles into dust and there's nothing left.

Come to Belgium and we can create a village of Texan refugees lol

We just might. How difficult was the process?
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
NrG.Bamboo
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2756 Posts
June 24 2022 18:25 GMT
#73689
On June 25 2022 03:22 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit.

Better late than never.

If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action.

Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one?

This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same.

It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats').

Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution).

Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape.

I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts?

Fucking rich.

I can't believe that's my reputation lol

You know, I think a lot about the buildup to the Holocaust and today has pretty much cemented that that's our current trajectory unless we stop it. We as Jews frequently say never again, and it's honestly time we put actions to words

I thought I remember you saying you were a Sikh?
I need to protect all your life you can enjoy the vibrant life of your battery
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23250 Posts
June 24 2022 18:26 GMT
#73690
On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit.

Better late than never.

If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action.

Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one?

This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same.

It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats').

Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution).

Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape.

I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts?

Fucking rich.

I said "your reactionary clinging to electoralism". What you're advocating isn't a revolution, it's status quo politics. You're advocating using the existing system/party to elect people that better represent your views.

I certainly don't see myself as a Fred Hampton, of that I can assure you. I'm just one of millions of people around the world in an ongoing movement to build a global proletariat revolution you should join instead of obliviously besmirching.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25474 Posts
June 24 2022 18:29 GMT
#73691
On June 25 2022 03:22 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit.

Better late than never.

If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action.

Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one?

This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same.

It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats').

Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution).

Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape.

I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts?

Fucking rich.

I can't believe that's my reputation lol

You know, I think a lot about the buildup to the Holocaust and today has pretty much cemented that that's our current trajectory unless we stop it. We as Jews frequently say never again, and it's honestly time we put actions to words

I have a friend who’s putting up a Ukrainian family, perhaps I can do my part by hosting various Liquidian US asylum seekers.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42778 Posts
June 24 2022 18:35 GMT
#73692
On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried.


Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis.

Where in the constitution does it define the size of the court?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25474 Posts
June 24 2022 18:36 GMT
#73693
On June 25 2022 03:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
I thought maybe Democrats had some sort of plan, but it really is just "Maybe you'll get your bodily autonomy back in a decade or so?" with a side of "protest more politely" and "Vote!"

Did you have some sort of plan when you deployed as much energy as you could to convince people not to vote for Clinton and kept parroting Bernie or Burst rethoric?

Vote! was the fucking solution. Now it’s too late.

People did vote though, Bernie or bust seems a reasonable accurate assessment of things with hindsight, for many Americans anyway.

If it were not for the active danger to the trans community, the no-doubt incoming pushback on gay civil rights, the existing pushback on woman’s autonomy, I wouldn’t see a huge amount of reason to vote for the Democratic Party.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8986 Posts
June 24 2022 18:37 GMT
#73694
On June 25 2022 03:22 plasmidghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit.

Better late than never.

If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action.

Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one?

This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same.

It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats').

Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution).

Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape.

I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts?

Fucking rich.

I can't believe that's my reputation lol

You know, I think a lot about the buildup to the Holocaust and today has pretty much cemented that that's our current trajectory unless we stop it. We as Jews frequently say never again, and it's honestly time we put actions to words

I only think that because you show the most passion for the causes that are dear to you. You've given us examples and ample anecdotes of what you've done. I don't question your authenticity in this matter. While you understand the dangers you face in this country, you still fight and aren't hiding about it. So if things got to that point, I could definitely see you tossing a few. It's more respect than anointing a reputation to you.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42778 Posts
June 24 2022 18:37 GMT
#73695
On June 25 2022 03:36 WombaT wrote:
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On June 25 2022 03:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
I thought maybe Democrats had some sort of plan, but it really is just "Maybe you'll get your bodily autonomy back in a decade or so?" with a side of "protest more politely" and "Vote!"

Did you have some sort of plan when you deployed as much energy as you could to convince people not to vote for Clinton and kept parroting Bernie or Burst rethoric?

Vote! was the fucking solution. Now it’s too late.

People did vote though, Bernie or bust seems a reasonable accurate assessment of things with hindsight, for many Americans anyway.

If it were not for the active danger to the trans community, the no-doubt incoming pushback on gay civil rights, the existing pushback on woman’s autonomy, I wouldn’t see a huge amount of reason to vote for the Democratic Party.


The impending environmental collapse is also an issue.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25474 Posts
June 24 2022 18:38 GMT
#73696
On June 25 2022 03:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:
On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried.


Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis.

Where in the constitution does it define the size of the court?

I believe it’s in the section before it defines nominations in the final year of a Presidential term as being constitutional/unconstitutional depending on various celestial alignments and which race the current GSL champion is playing.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
8986 Posts
June 24 2022 18:39 GMT
#73697
On June 25 2022 03:36 WombaT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 03:16 Biff The Understudy wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:47 GreenHorizons wrote:
I thought maybe Democrats had some sort of plan, but it really is just "Maybe you'll get your bodily autonomy back in a decade or so?" with a side of "protest more politely" and "Vote!"

Did you have some sort of plan when you deployed as much energy as you could to convince people not to vote for Clinton and kept parroting Bernie or Burst rethoric?

Vote! was the fucking solution. Now it’s too late.

People did vote though, Bernie or bust seems a reasonable accurate assessment of things with hindsight, for many Americans anyway.

If it were not for the active danger to the trans community, the no-doubt incoming pushback on gay civil rights, the existing pushback on woman’s autonomy, I wouldn’t see a huge amount of reason to vote for the Democratic Party.


You could see this result coming a mile away if you looked for it. I called it the moment trump was elected that this would be the way it would turn out over time. The frenzy was whipped and no one paid it any mind. Now they are and it's going to cost a lot of innocent lives. You can have your stances and principles, but now you have to sit there quietly, while those who sounded the alarm, cried wolf, etc try to save this experiment. I for one will enjoy my deluxe album of "Nero Fiddled while Rome Burned."
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 24 2022 18:42 GMT
#73698
On June 25 2022 03:25 NrG.Bamboo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 03:22 plasmidghost wrote:
On June 25 2022 03:04 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 02:10 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:42 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:29 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 01:05 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:52 GreenHorizons wrote:
On June 25 2022 00:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Decorum and civility went out the window the day Obama was elected. It's been 14 years in the making of them slowly stoking the fire and getting shit to a perfect temperature for this to happen. The minority now rules the majority with contempt. This is the plot of a b-movie from some teenager. Fictional levels of evil is being perpetrated and besides going full GH, this shit will fully continue. This is Idiocracy and V for Vendetta all neatly packaged. A self-fulfilling destiny if I've ever seen one and it's pure shit.

Better late than never.

If you can get it started, then I'll join you 100%. Ideas are nice and all, but you need to be the on the front lines taking charge. I've never disagreed that what you advocate is necessary, just your method and lack of visible action.

Don't you mean "we" since you're in agreement of its necessity? Or did you just "want to throw a temper tantrum and cry we need a revolution." without doing the work to make one?

This is your revolution. I've stated that I believe the best way to fix this shit is to get the people we want elected and go scorched earth in the attempt to do so. Working within the system to rebuild and fix the system is my preferred method. But it seems as if that won't happen with these policies and rulings. So, YOU need to get YOUR revolution going and I would join in attempt to affect change. But no, our "revolutions" aren't the same.

It's not "my" revolution it's our revolution (maybe not so much the bandwagoners' and convenience turncoats').

Thanks for acknowledging that you didn't and don't agree that what I advocate is necessary instead of continuing the gaslighting. You don't have to, but it's silly to say you do and immediately contradict yourself by trying to individualize revolutionary struggle and advocating electoralism (not a revolution).

Plasmid, Zambrah, and Wombat (not an exhaustive list) are comrades in the struggle. Your reactionary clinging to electoralism is oppositional to mine and my comrades common aspirations. Working with people to recognize this contradiction might seem like an insignificant task, but it's instrumental in building a viable revolution that you should join and help shape.

I'm a reactionary, bandwagoning turncoat? That's fucking rich. You cannot and have not provided any evidence to anything you've personally done to get anything remotely started. You fashion yourself a Fred Hampton but you're not. You say I'm contradicting myself by agreeing that a 'revolution' is needed but not in the method you desire by giving my own ideal form? You say I'm clinging to electoral revolution by outing every single centrist democrat and inputting more AOCs? You say that the list of people who join you (and honestly I think only PG would be the first to throw a molotov out of the bunch you named) and share your goals are the real comrades. Not the many people who have and continue to challenge your thinking and 'help' get you to better plan/articulate/form your own thoughts?

Fucking rich.

I can't believe that's my reputation lol

You know, I think a lot about the buildup to the Holocaust and today has pretty much cemented that that's our current trajectory unless we stop it. We as Jews frequently say never again, and it's honestly time we put actions to words

I thought I remember you saying you were a Sikh?

Got kicked out for being trans and have been trying to find my path to a higher power ever since
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
June 24 2022 18:43 GMT
#73699
You have got to be fucking kidding me with this. Like, this is pure farce and mockery to the entire country at this point

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1352 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-06-24 18:47:38
June 24 2022 18:45 GMT
#73700
On June 25 2022 03:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2022 02:57 pmh wrote:
On June 25 2022 02:21 KwarK wrote:
Biden has the power to increase the supreme court if he can whip the legislative. He never even tried.


Biden cant do anything. Stacking the court would lead to a constitutional crisis.

Where in the constitution does it define the size of the court?


Doesnt really matter. It sort of is the law of the land (like roe vs wade was also asumed to be i guess).
If Biden stacks the court there would be an outrage that would pale the storming of the capitol. I dont see how it is realistically possible without the usa collapsing into chaos.

There is a real opportunity now i feel for what GH would like to see. Not so much a revolution but at least something different from traditional politics. It has come to the point where the lesser of two evils is no longer good enough for a rather substantial part of the population. At least that is my impression (which could very well be wrong).

Unions are gaining strenght in the USA right now and that process will most likely continue. Maybe that movement could grow into something substantial. Besides unions i dont see anything else that could possibly gain enough momentum.

This without saying i would personally favor this.
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