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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 22 2022 04:11 GMT
#71861
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gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
April 22 2022 05:17 GMT
#71862
On April 22 2022 12:03 NewSunshine wrote:
It's also much easier to point at things and shout about how they're a problem, than it is to look at and understand what the problems are, and to find a good solution. That's not just politics, most people are great at identifying when they have a problem with a game, movie, or piece of art, but when you ask them how they'd improve the thing the answer is usually garbage. It takes deep working knowledge of something to be able to take a step forward in improving it, and most people don't have it.

Democrats, progressives, and etc. gain no favors by being on the side of things that actually is interested in proposing robust solutions to real problems. Much, much easier to make shit up about problems that don't exist, throw out some stupid discriminatory bill that looks like it does something about it, then point at the fact that the problem still doesn't exist and claim it worked. CRT in math textbooks, y'all?

But in all, I agree the Democrats should be doing more. They seem to be afraid of doing too much so that when midterms come around they'll be all out of stuff to do to make themselves look good right before. There's a lot of big, looming problems with pretty clear steps to take if Democrats were actually interested in accomplishing anything. There's no pulse to them.


I think the key problem is so:

1. Democrats have the smallest majority possible
2. There exists a wide range of Democrats, from progressives like AOC to almost-republicans like Manchin
3. There is no substantial policy where all Democrats agree, but with their 50 senator "majority" they need everyone to agree
4. Nothing is therefore able to be passed into law without also getting Republican support
5. The things that get Republican support are mostly unpalatable to a large part of the Democratic caucus

If the Democrats had a couple extra senators they would be in a much better position, but they don't.
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
April 22 2022 05:20 GMT
#71863
On April 22 2022 12:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
At some point it becomes more sensible to recognize Democrats incompetency/impotency as an indispensable part of the hustle rather than the unavoidable/unintentional consequences of righteous politicians and democracy.

They're the controlled opposition that claims to oppose the decay, but by fighting only a lukewarm fight against it and very efficiently stamping out the more genuine left - legitimizes said decay.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4186 Posts
April 22 2022 06:10 GMT
#71864
I don't get this whole talk about controlled opposition? At the end of the day the genuine left doesn't have a mandate so they have to cast their lot and navigate politics that way. I get you're not happy with the Democrats but half the country is brainwashed and they will 100% vote against their own interests because they fall for culture wars.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21953 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-22 09:47:06
April 22 2022 09:45 GMT
#71865
US Democrats are a coalition that in lots of Europe would span almost the entire existing political spectrum from left to right (minus the very far right). Not that strange they have issues finding common ground with a minimal majority.

And as so often, Progressives in the US see the rest of the Western world and think they should accomplish more, without accepting just how incredibly Conservative most of the US is.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-22 16:03:57
April 22 2022 12:17 GMT
#71866
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 22 2022 15:15 GMT
#71867
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43222 Posts
April 22 2022 16:11 GMT
#71868
On April 23 2022 00:15 JimmiC wrote:
This is a bill I could get behind and it actually had bi-partisan support. Drunk drivers who kill parents will be responsible for child support.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/someone-needs-responsible-tennessee-bill-222106222.html

They already would be civily responsible. It’s a question of getting the money.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 22 2022 16:41 GMT
#71869
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9717 Posts
April 22 2022 18:17 GMT
#71870
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61192975

Guns overtook car crashes to become the leading cause of death for US children and teenagers in 2020, new research shows.

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) shows that over 4,300 young Americans died of firearm-related injuries in 2020.

While suicides contributed to the toll, the data shows that homicides form the majority of gun-related deaths.

More than 390 million guns are owned by US civilians.

According to the research - which was published this week in the New England Journal Medicine - the rise in gun-related deaths among Americans between the ages of one and 19 was part of an overall 33.4% increase in firearm homicides nationwide.

Homicides, the study noted, disproportionately impact young Americans.

Over the same time period, the rate of firearm suicides in the US rose by 1.1%.

The overall rate of gun deaths of all reasons - suicide, homicide, unintentional and undetermined - among children and teenagers rose by 29.5%, more than twice that of the wider population.


Not putting this in the mass shooting thread as it doesn't qualify, but certainly worth commenting on.

Apparently guns are now the leading cause of child death in the US. Its a very shocking statistic. The price of freedom keeps getting higher and higher.
RIP Meatloaf <3
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
April 22 2022 18:17 GMT
#71871
Dems are apparently realizing they can stand up against the GOP, which I mean, good for them and I hope they make a much more widespread effort to fight back

Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
Doc.Rivers
Profile Joined December 2011
United States404 Posts
April 22 2022 20:33 GMT
#71872
On April 22 2022 21:17 JimmiC wrote:
McCarthy, who kicked Cheeny out of the party for wanting Trump to resign, and has said countless times he did not and fully supported Trump, actually did the exact thing as Cheeny during a conference call that included Cheeny, and it was recorded.something he has explicitly said is untrue snd lies by Liz. What a snake this dude is!


https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/21/mccarthy-tape-trump-jan6-00027122

Then the the post is reporting that Mconnel also wanted Trump out but thought congress sould do it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/21/mcconnell-mccarthy-miscalculation/

edit: another one including McCarthy's statement that it was a total lie, until hours later when the tape was released showing that in fact statement was another lie.

The Republican party is such a bad joke at this point. Publicly and provably lie over and over and over with zero consequences from their voters. They vote more for the people who lie more.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/too-stupid-speaker-critics-trash-081651508.html




It's only kind of a scandal. It shows that people like McConnell and McCarthy privately dislike trump and want him gone, but I think everyone pretty much knew that already. The establishment Republicans are in a tough spot because they do have to heed Trump's base.

In any case January 6th does not have as much political potency as the dems and their allied media believe it to have. Bidens approval numbers and the upcoming midterm results will show that voters' attention is focused elsewhere. January 6th was a desperate attempt by a mob that had no chance of overturning democracy. American democracy is not at risk and voters are rightly recognizing that it is alarmist to say otherwise.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43222 Posts
April 22 2022 20:41 GMT
#71873
On April 23 2022 05:33 Doc.Rivers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2022 21:17 JimmiC wrote:
McCarthy, who kicked Cheeny out of the party for wanting Trump to resign, and has said countless times he did not and fully supported Trump, actually did the exact thing as Cheeny during a conference call that included Cheeny, and it was recorded.something he has explicitly said is untrue snd lies by Liz. What a snake this dude is!


https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/21/mccarthy-tape-trump-jan6-00027122

Then the the post is reporting that Mconnel also wanted Trump out but thought congress sould do it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/21/mcconnell-mccarthy-miscalculation/

edit: another one including McCarthy's statement that it was a total lie, until hours later when the tape was released showing that in fact statement was another lie.

The Republican party is such a bad joke at this point. Publicly and provably lie over and over and over with zero consequences from their voters. They vote more for the people who lie more.

https://ca.yahoo.com/news/too-stupid-speaker-critics-trash-081651508.html




It's only kind of a scandal. It shows that people like McConnell and McCarthy privately dislike trump and want him gone, but I think everyone pretty much knew that already. The establishment Republicans are in a tough spot because they do have to heed Trump's base.

In any case January 6th does not have as much political potency as the dems and their allied media believe it to have. Bidens approval numbers and the upcoming midterm results will show that voters' attention is focused elsewhere. January 6th was a desperate attempt by a mob that had no chance of overturning democracy. American democracy is not at risk and voters are rightly recognizing that it is alarmist to say otherwise.

The people who refused to manufacture the votes for Trump are being pushed out. American democracy is absolutely at risk.

We got lucky to dodge the bullet last time but there are active efforts to prevent us getting lucky twice. The state officials overseeing the elections are being replaced with loyalists who will do what is needed to overturn the voters next time.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7384 Posts
April 22 2022 21:36 GMT
#71874
Less we dodged a bullet and more the gunman was a blind dude, as soon as we get a gunman with eye sight we're in trouble, lol.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9632 Posts
April 22 2022 22:13 GMT
#71875
On April 22 2022 14:20 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2022 12:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
At some point it becomes more sensible to recognize Democrats incompetency/impotency as an indispensable part of the hustle rather than the unavoidable/unintentional consequences of righteous politicians and democracy.

They're the controlled opposition that claims to oppose the decay, but by fighting only a lukewarm fight against it and very efficiently stamping out the more genuine left - legitimizes said decay.


ah man twice in a row i find myself agreeing whole heartedly with LL.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
April 23 2022 00:14 GMT
#71876
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Doc.Rivers
Profile Joined December 2011
United States404 Posts
April 23 2022 02:04 GMT
#71877
It's just not a very compelling scandal. Everyone knows that republican leaders don't actually like Trump. This is somewhat of a random Twitter account, but he's left-leaning and he puts it well:

JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-04-23 02:47:12
April 23 2022 02:45 GMT
#71878
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Nick_54
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States2230 Posts
April 23 2022 03:36 GMT
#71879
On April 23 2022 07:13 brian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2022 14:20 LegalLord wrote:
On April 22 2022 12:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
At some point it becomes more sensible to recognize Democrats incompetency/impotency as an indispensable part of the hustle rather than the unavoidable/unintentional consequences of righteous politicians and democracy.

They're the controlled opposition that claims to oppose the decay, but by fighting only a lukewarm fight against it and very efficiently stamping out the more genuine left - legitimizes said decay.


ah man twice in a row i find myself agreeing whole heartedly with LL.


Yeah, I agree with both of you. If you view BOTH parties as only supporters of corporate interests and the 1% that couldn't give a shit less about the 99% or their constituents it all makes so much more sense.
plasmidghost
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgium16168 Posts
April 23 2022 04:09 GMT
#71880
On April 23 2022 12:36 Nick_54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2022 07:13 brian wrote:
On April 22 2022 14:20 LegalLord wrote:
On April 22 2022 12:36 GreenHorizons wrote:
At some point it becomes more sensible to recognize Democrats incompetency/impotency as an indispensable part of the hustle rather than the unavoidable/unintentional consequences of righteous politicians and democracy.

They're the controlled opposition that claims to oppose the decay, but by fighting only a lukewarm fight against it and very efficiently stamping out the more genuine left - legitimizes said decay.


ah man twice in a row i find myself agreeing whole heartedly with LL.


Yeah, I agree with both of you. If you view BOTH parties as only supporters of corporate interests and the 1% that couldn't give a shit less about the 99% or their constituents it all makes so much more sense.

Absolutely correct. Both parties only exist to further enrich their donors and capitalist America at the expense of everything else, whether that be movements, people, or the planet itself. That's why I'm a far-left borderline communist
Yugoslavia will always live on in my heart
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